Display resoluion would be what? 2560 x 1600 or 2880 x 1800?
It won't be the same resolution as the 15" rMBP unless they update the 15" rMBP to have a higher resolution than it currently has at the same time that they announce the 13" rMBP. Anything else would be poor marketing.
My guess would be 2560 x 1600, which makes sense given the old MBP was 1280x800.
But what about the video card? Will it come with a discrete video chip and if so, which model?
Removing the optical drive, and replacing that space with thinness doesn't exactly allow for much room for a discrete GPU. If anything, you'd see a much weaker version of NVIDIA's Kepler than you currently see in the GeForce GT 650M in both non-retina and retina 15" MacBook Pros today.
apple are screwing themselves over by not releasing it in August when the school semester starts. There are going to be a lot of students who would purchase this but releasing it in october is going to be too late.
Apple isn't screwing themselves over as it's not like those same customers aren't spending the same money on the current 13" MacBook Pro. Most consumers don't care about when in the Apple refresh cycle they buy their product; if students need to buy their computers now, then they'll buy them now regardless of whether or not Apple updates the line afterwards.
I think it's a little obvious that you said obvious twice in the same sentence.
You are clearly not aware of all internet traditions.
With all the complaints in regards to lag in both the OS and scrolling on the retina mbp (i have one myself) i don't see how a 13" without a discrete graphics card would be able to deal with it. Also, it would be hard to fit a discrete one whilst maintaining the 7 hr battery time. I call hoax!
First off, the retina display in a 13" retina MacBook Pro wouldn't carry the same maximum resolution as the one in a 15" one. It'd carry a smaller one. Secondly the Intel HD 4000 is, in theory, able to drive that display just fine on its own as that GPU is capable of driving monitors with similar if not higher resolutions (albeit with much larger physical panel sizes and less PPI; but that ought to not matter). Therefore, in theory, no discrete GPU needed. Though if they were to do one, odds are it'd be a drastically weaker form of NVIDIA Kepler than the GeForce GT 650M in use in the 15" MacBook Pros.
Maybe the 13" rMPB will have a dedicated GPU and not just the intergraded one.
Unlikely. Not enough room.
Having seen a current gen Macbook Pro 13, the screen is really nice. I am not convinced the super hi-resolution laptops are truly worth the extra cost for most people.
The screen on those machines is nice, but it really could be better, especially compared to other 13" notebook displays out there. Hell, Ultrabooks are coming out with a 1920x1080 (1080p for those of you playing the home game) resolutions. And for the price of a 13" MacBook Pro, Apple had better be stepping up the screen resolutions a bit.
Well damn, I just bought one for college
Good news, bro! It'll still be as amazing a computer when and if these rumored models come out!
So what happens when the day comes and you have a 13 inch Retina Macbook Air and Macbook Pro?
Something has to go.
They'll probably merge them together and call it the "MacBook". So they'll have one 11.6" machine called the "MacBook Air", one 13.3" machine called the "MacBook" and the 15.4" machine called "The MacBook Pro, all ultra-thin and ultra-light, all carrying Retina displays, no optical drives, mSATA SSDs and soldered RAM. Not the future I'd like to see, but I wouldn't be shocked seeing it.
My friend used to work at Apple R&D. He's waiting to buy this because he said he confirmed it's coming out for sure.
That's kind of like saying "My friend used to work for Apple and he says that the next Mac that Apple releases will have an Apple logo on it somewhere." Paging captain obvious! With retina displays on every iPhone, iPod touch, iPad and now on the 15" MacBook Pros (deemed the "next generation of MacBook Pros" as compared to the current non-retina model), it's pretty obvious that every device with an integrated screen that they make will eventually make the transition to having some display that they could market as being "retina". So yes, the 13" retina notebook from Apple is DEFINITELY coming, it's only a matter of when and in what form.
lol that intel gpu is going to struggle
No it won't. Or at least, it theoretically shouldn't.
Its a shame apple is not releasing it before the back-to-school program ends. As a University student who is waiting to upgrade from an 08'Macbook Pro 13... Its very annoying. Also most students at least in my university(An Engineering focussed one) prefer the 13 pro over the air due to the upgradability option after purchase. I hope they dont make it like the 15rMPB where DIY upgrades are impossible.
While they could've easily just not modified the design of the 15" MacBook Pro when putting the retina display inside, you can guarantee that this is very much a move to push to that design. The MacBook Air popularized it and now Apple's doing it with the 15". While they could put out a 13" MacBook Pro that has the retina display but is otherwise identical to the current model, as to ease the college crowd's transition away from built-in optical drives, my guess is that they won't and the 13" rMBP and/or 13" rMBA will adopt this new design. Really sad. But that's Apple for ya. That said, as far as 13" machines go, the current Ivy Bridge 2012 13" MacBook Pro is a fine machine and one you will be happy with.
While not necessary, that kind of move is extremely likely given their statements in announcing the 15" rMBP at WWDC.
they will remove the dvd-r AND replace the current HD into on-board flash drive so we will have plenty of room for discrete graphic card while keeping the whole thing smaller.
That's not how the laws of physics work. You can't remove the optical drive, use the extra space gained to make it that much thinner and then pop in a discrete GPU. It doesn't work that way. Even if they put one in, it'd be so crappy in performance that it'd be comparable to the HD 4000 and at that point, what's the point?
I dont see how they can launch the 13" version when the 15" is still full of bugs and being returned by a huge percentage of unsatisfied customers.
Can you cite proof of this?
Most students moving to school, (presumably) living on their own would lose their minds without a disc drive.
This is sadly true. College campuses are where kids, bringing their laptops, need an internal optical disc drive. They could get by with an external, but I know that most wouldn't prefer it.
I am hoping that at least will be an option! I really want the 13" screen size and I'm prepared to pay for the best model. But if the 13" won't offer quad-core and 512GB SSD it's gonna be hard to decide... I'm guessing at least the 512GB SSD will be available as the current 15" is configurable up to 768GB.
And by the way. I really don't think they will launch this with only Intel HD4000.
If they launch it before Haswell, odds are that it will launch with only the HD 4000 as there is no room for a discrete GPU. Quad-core CPUs area also out of the question for the time being. Sorry to burst your bubble. On the bright side, 512GB SSDs are totally within the realm of doability.
I don't think a retina display MacBook Pro 13 inch would have a disk drive. Wouldn't it copy over from the 15 inch MacBook Pro?
Likely, they'd keep the designs aligned. But there's nothing about the retina display itself that requires that the other changes made to the rest of the machine also be made to the 13" model.
However nice you might think the current screen is, the display on the rMBP is not a subtle upgrade. And it's hardly fair to compare the price of a rMBP to a regular MBP. MBPs still come by default with spinning drives and such, there are more benefits than just the (insanely great) screen. You get twice as much RAM and SSD right out the gate.
...Aaaand that lovely glued-in battery that becomes a fire hazard if at all punctured! Gotta love that upgrade! Also the proprietary screws on the bottom case and the soldered RAM! Best improvements ever! /sarcasm
And 13" MBPs have 2 fans I believe...
Incorrect; only one fan; just like its polycarbonate MacBook ancestor.
A discrete GPU would be a requirement baring an unannounced Intel processor.
With the Intel HD 4000 theoretically being able to drive the 15" retina display, let alone non-retina displays with the same resolution, I fail to see what makes you think a 13" model will have this requirement.
According to the geekbench output in the article, it only has a dual core processor. I thought the 15" had a quad core.
13" non-retina MacBook Pro has dual-core CPUs too. What makes you think that a retina 13" MacBook Pro with Ivy Bridge internals would be any different?
I find this result pretty hard to believe. Dual core (same as the Air) in the 13" Pro (same as the air)? If they go with integrated graphics as rumored, then there's barely any difference apart from the display and the processing power is half that of the Macbooks released earlier this year.
Again, it'd be on par with the current 13" MacBook Pro in the same vein that the 15" retina MacBook Pro is on par with the 15" non-retina MacBook Pro in terms of processing power.
mean while the 15" retina has been proven to have frame rate issues and that has an nvidia chipset.
Im from planet earth, lol at you
It's called "software problems". They do have those on Planet Earth, you know.
I actually returned 4 24" ACDs in the days because I couldn't get a perfect one. Finally just got my money back. Apple is bad with displays.
Four?! Dear heavens, man! That's a lot of defective 24" Apple displays! Did they at least let you lemon it? I got to do that once with a Late 2006 MacBook (that I bought on eBay), they replaced it for free with a Mid 2010 white Unibody MacBook which I then sold to save for the 15" MBP that I'll be pulling the trigger on soon. Good investment that was.
Could be, but mine is driven by an iMac with an AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2048 MB so I don't think it's the GPU that is the issue.
Compared to any other 27" monitor, I value all the extras the ATD gives me over the second of blankness, but to each their own.
It's true, but for how much money you pay for that thing, you ought to have it working. If you have enough problems and replace enough models, you can complain to customer relations and they'll see to it that you get a brand new one for free or that you are compensated somehow for your losses.
I dont care why discrete GPU is called all the time web surfing but it is. The ML upgrade did nothing to change that. And if you think Apple put out a rMBP that struggles w/opening & scrolling in FaceBook, no chance.
I really don't care what causing the problem nor did say was a pixel problem. But did say it's not resolved, wont be and don't think Apple go half-ass with 13 rMBP w/o graphics processor. My rMBP isn't that bad or would returned it but no way Apple releases one w/o external GPU. Clearly the 15' rMBP been in design phase for years now and issue isn't resolved(because pushing hardware limitations). And god-for-bid you do any gaming what-so-ever then external GPU is on all the time.
BTW.. Nothing personal on your pixels and video card mumbo jumbo but I take AnandTech 15+ page review and me owning a rMBP over your conjecture. Honestly how much you want to bet a software upgrade
doesn't resolve this and hardware does..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
What did I originally say..
You are making a statement disregarding the cause of the problem and are then making a statement as to what you think should prevent it with a 13" model or with a future 15" model. The hardware isn't the problem, the problem is software. You can't disregard this fact while making your own theory as to the solution and have your theory be at all valid. I'm sorry. As for anandtech, this is a machine that they praise until the cows come home. Their review of the non-retina model made them seem like poor buying choices by comparison. While I appreciate their opinion, this doesn't help me determine whether or not I'd like the non-retina model, comparisons against the retina model aside. But still, you might want to get some of your facts straight.
I decided to wait on the retina display.. classic display is more than adequate, and I don't want to give up the optical drive, and have non-upgradable RAM.
13 inch MacBook is enroute to delivery.
That's a good call. I'm about to do the same with a non-retina 15" model in a week or two. Assuming this is the last generation of those models, I figure by the time we replace our respective MacBook Pros, we'll be ready for the new changes brought about by these models, and my guess is that most Mac developers will have had time to develop support the retina PPI ratings of the new displays. Because really, what's the fun in getting a new Mac and finding that all of your third party software looks like crap?
