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I know right. Greedy consumers. I will pay 2k. Just walk in the store and place that down and leave, they can keep the change.

I leave 100 for adaptors, why not give a tip you know.

I always try to make a habit of kicking a poor person shortly after blowing wads of money Apple products and accessories. Bonus points if they're crippled orphans under the age of 9.

I'm sorry, Tiny Tim. Christmas is cancelled this year. Well, for you anyway. It kinda came early for me. I just got a retina Macbook Pro, and an Air. Why? Cuz I can. Get a job. *kick*

*gets in Bentley, burns rubber*
 
ECU, student population of 20k. I see tons of 13" and 15" MBP's.

I see tons of 13" MBA and MBP at Northeastern, especially at the library. However, most of the students in my major (music) have 15" MBP. Makes sense because bigger screen = more space for our music apps.
 
LOL!! 500 bucks for just a screen with higher resolution?? :eek: Oh yeah call it "Retina" if you like it, but this is just a marketing term. :p
 
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i think the price will be ok/nice. compare it with the top zenbook prime (i7/256gb/4gb) which costs in europe around 1399€ (1499€ MSR). i think the formfactor comes closest to the rMBR13 but i know its still an ultrabook. Sony Z-Series is also an option but even more expensive as the rMBP. For 1749€ for the entry-rMBP13 i expect an i7-35W-qCPU or dual core with dGPU, 256gb SSD and 8GB.

The Pros are now:
-35W CPU instead of 17W obv / more power
-better GPU
-retina Display
-double of ram
-overall better build quality
-better battery
-better sound
-better I/O-Ports / WUXGA+ Support
-better/quiter Cooling-system
-better mic/dual mics
-better camera
-better support
-better touchpad/keyboard
-better OS / options between win/mac
-faster SSD
-magsafe
-a little bit smaller dimensions

Cons:
-weights 300-500g more
-less boxed accessories
-more expensive
-glossier screen

So overall a nobrainer right? Or am i wrong?
 
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I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that, with the 15" Retina Macbook you are not paying any extra for the display, what bumps the price up is the large SSD (Just switch the standard HD and the Standard 15" MBP for an SSD and you will see)

So if apple can/will make available a 128GB SSD in the new 13" model, i see no reason for it to be much more expensive than the current models, certainly nowhere near 500 extra.

The real question is what size SSD they use and knowing Apple they will probably just make it 256GB to keep the price high.
 
I always try to make a habit of kicking a poor person shortly after blowing wads of money Apple products and accessories. Bonus points if they're crippled orphans under the age of 9.

I'm sorry, Tiny Tim. Christmas is cancelled this year. Well, for you anyway. It kinda came early for me. I just got a retina Macbook Pro, and an Air. Why? Cuz I can. Get a job. *kick*
And then you keep the computers? What are you, trailer trash?

Every morning I go in and buy a top of the line rMBP. Then I find a crippled orphan under the age of 9 and say "if you carry this box for me to my door..." (well, he's crippled so it's not like he's gonna grab it and run) "...I will buy you a nice sandwich". Then we start walking. Not home, of course, instead I make him hop along on crutches for several miles until we're in some rural area where my driver is waiting with the Bentley, parked in mud puddle as per my instructions.

Then I ask the orphan to hand me the rMBP, which I pour gasoline over and set on fire while I explain to the orphan that it would've bought him at least a thousand sandwiches. Then I take his crutches, hop into the Bentley and ask the driver to push the pedal to the metal, splattering the orphan with mud.

That's the classy way to start your day.
 
Yeah, just looking at the HD upgrade options... 200 extra for 128GB SSD

If Apple make this option available I predict a price of $1399 e1499

This sounds fair enough. Otherwise it's just going to be silly money for a 256GB
 
I see tons of 13" MBA and MBP at Northeastern, especially at the library. However, most of the students in my major (music) have 15" MBP. Makes sense because bigger screen = more space for our music apps.
Here in Europe, few people want anything less than 15".

http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/carl/intel-facing-tough-ultrabook-sell-in-europe/
"...the European audience prefer notebook models with a minimum of 15 inch sized screens"

I'm on a 17" and so are most of my colleagues and friends. Apple diminished Mac market share growth potential in Europe by ditching the 17" model, but what the heck, Europe accounts for "only" 1/3 of Apple's revenue so I guess they're too aloof to care.
 
Here in Europe, few people want anything less than 15".

http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/carl/intel-facing-tough-ultrabook-sell-in-europe/
"...the European audience prefer notebook models with a minimum of 15 inch sized screens"

I'm on a 17" and so are most of my colleagues and friends. Apple diminished Mac market share growth potential in Europe by ditching the 17" model, but what the heck, Europe accounts for "only" 1/3 of Apple's revenue so I guess they're too aloof to care.

No, they don't prefer large monitors.

PC laptops come basically in two varieties: Big heavy hunk of cheap plastic with a big screen. Or MBA wannabe - nice looking, small, and more expensive than the cheap plastic with big screen. Unfortunately for ultrabook makers, people go either for cheap or for some kind of Mac.

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If it was real world and Apple had to fight like everyone else does in the market.

13" MBP $899

13" MBP i7 $1199

13" rMBP $1399

13" Air would be $999 starting

Obviously the retina would be an i5 with a 128gb SSD and work its way up in price from there. Damn richers and cash-chuckers (south park reference)

What you're saying is absurd. This is the real world, Apple fights like everyone else does in the market, and they charge the prices they charge. Have a look at what Dell sells for example for $1399, and it is nowhere near what a Retina MBP offers.
 
Really? You checked every PC out there and you don't buy them because they don't look good? There are thousands, literally thousands, of models and looks out there, and none of them look good?

I would understand sticking to Mac for the OS, reliability, etc... but for aesthetic reasons?

Most PC laptops are ugly. Every one I have seen has been, except for the HP Envy, which looks like a MacBook Pro. You show me a sexy PC laptop, and I'll withdraw my statement.
 
How do you get the pictures on the SD card on the iPad3 without a computer?

I have a couple of WiFi choices:

Eye-Fi card and app for mac, iPhone, iPad, Android

http://www.eye.fi/products/prox2


WiFi add on for my Nikon D3200 which will work with iPhone, iPad, Android apps.

There is also a camera connection kit, but it was designed for USB not Lightning so it may be a bit more complicated.
 
I shouldn't say this since this is a new Apple product and we all know how well they sell but, I don't see too many of these being sold. Not as many as the regular 13" non-Retina MBP at least. The price difference between the low-end rMBP and regular MBP's low-end is too much. Kinda seems like a niche market product.
 
But the SSD, soldered RAM, display and battery differences exist in the 15" cMBP to rMBP comparison, too. Actually, the marginal cost of going retina, along with increased battery to drive the pixels, are *less* with the 13"

Yes only if you look at it in a non-normalized perspective. It is actually a larger percentage increase increase for the13" than the 15". In general, more expensive products can "soak up" a higher priced component change more easily. For example:

$600 other stuff + $100 screen for 13" ( $700 )
$750 other stuff + $120 screen for 15" ( $870 )

say retina adds another $90 in cost to both screens. The 15" sees a 10% bump and the 13" sees a 12% bump. Even if the retina scree was a $102 jump the still smaller, 11%, than for the 13".

It is a smaller increase dollar wise but it will have a bigger impact on demand. I don't think Apple is positioning this to be a relatively (to the other 13") high volume seller in the first year or so of being on the market. If it has no dGPU then it will have weakness that will likely require the next Haswell update (meaning next year) to resolve more satisfactory for those more focused on 3D graphics performance.

Maybe. But notice that the retina MBP ($2200) starts at *the same* as the top of the cMBP offerings. ($2200).


Apple needs another 13" laptop priced at $1499 like they need a another "hole in the head". They have already got 2. Three would be in extreme conflict with Apple price approaches of the last decade.

Apple's 15" prices are relatively high to even competitive quality 15" offerings. Remember, the 17" died at the $2400 price point. There is significant enough overall market pressure not to stray too far over the $2000 boundary.

It goes back to the huge difference between the end of a pricing range and the middle. The dynamics are not the same. There is downward price pressure in the middle of Apple's laptop range to from the market but it hasn't killed off any mac models in the middle yet.



We'll see, if the 13 rMBP is really $1699, I think it will have a quad-core (and possibly dGPU) differentiating it from the similarly spec'd 13" MBP. But I could be wrong.

If the recently leaked pictures are correct and Apple went to "thin as possible" then you are quite likely wrong. Soldering the RAM to the motherboard will largely nuke any space savings that removing the ODD would provide. There wasn't room for a dGPU before and there won't be one now if use the ODD space for things had before (RAM and batteries now soaking up more horizontal space because case height shrank). ( dGPU have an addition RAM soldered to the motherboard issue in addition to the GPU package itself and associated thermal problems. . Either that or they have crippled the machine by soldering just 4 and 8GB to the motherboard. So would have a dGPU but the memory is kneecapped.

The value proposition is going to be "very close to MBA weight". If there is less than a 0.8lbs difference between rMBP and MBA they will likely paint it into the same class.


Likewise the 'classic' MBP 13" don't have quads (and i7 class ). If it got the machine a significantly faster HD4000 implementation perhaps, but it doesn't.

As I alluded to before there is a big difference if measuring this rMBP 13" relative to the MBP 13" or MBA 13". Relative to the MBA 13," a 'regular' i5 is a step up and so is HD4000 at non dramatically underclocked speeds.


It isn't necessarily former/current MBP 13" buyers they are looking to be the primary block of the customers for this initial version.
 
No, I do not...however I believe that I have no problem paying a constant price for constantly updated technology. Therefore I don't have a problem paying $500 every time a new iPad comes out, because you do know they stay the same price with updated technology...In your inept analogy, the iPad 3 should have been $250 dollars brand new then. You bias was also shown and completely jives.


Kid, do you know what year it is?

Do you still think a 1gb hard drive should be $1000 and gas should be $1.10?

People who compare to prices from DECADES ago are obviously not all there. He confirmed this with his political bias. So funny.

:rolleyes:
 
I have given the pricing some thought.

Even though it is $1699 (more than we expected) I have thought about it...and it is not a bad value. If it has 256 SSD, 8 gigs of RAM... that's pretty good! This configuration is $1599 on the Macbook Air. Not only will the rMBP have an outstanding screen, it will have a much better processor than the Macbook air as well. So weighing this all in, the 13 rMBP is not a bad deal at all, especially for us who were considering the max'd out MBA. It is really only $100 more than the MBA. Even though its not cheap, I consider it a fair price.

Anyone else agree?
 
What you're saying is absurd. This is the real world, Apple fights like everyone else does in the market, and they charge the prices they charge. Have a look at what Dell sells for example for $1399, and it is nowhere near what a Retina MBP offers.

Exactly my point, I know what I said is absurd by saying Apple could sell their laptops cheaper. I threw up a little in my mouth just writing it.

Now like you I also like driving Apple's margins up though. So today I bought 100 rMBP's and took my bentley in town to grab a little $300 lunch plate with a friend. Felt bad I wasn;t giving that money to Apple, so I circled back and bought another 100 normal MBP's so they wouldnt feel left out. I even left a tip.

You better step it up and contribute to Apple's bottom line more buddy. :mad:

Also nabbed 3 adaptors for $97 bucks with tax, I left $200 bucks and walked out.

iPad mini $329 pffff I am throwing down 1 grand for it just because. *pimp*
 
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And ...

... we have another person who thinks there's only *one* 'Pro' workload in the entire world...

:rolleyes:

If you show off your work to your clients on a 13 inch screen, then can I please have your client list and 10 min of their time.
 
These seem like they will be a nice toy for spoiled college students. But as I sit here on set editing all six editors are on older 17 inch systems. None of us would like to work on anything smaller for either our benefit, or our clients that sit behind us looking over our shoulders for approvals. If Apple keeps this up in a few years when these machines are showing their age it looks like it may have to be something else (possibly an Alienware?) for me.
 
These seem like they will be a nice toy for spoiled college students. But as I sit here on set editing all six editors are on older 17 inch systems. None of us would like to work on anything smaller for either our benefit, or our clients that sit behind us looking over our shoulders for approvals. If Apple keeps this up in a few years when these machines are showing their age it looks like it may have to be something else (possibly an Alienware?) for me.

Ok.

Apple is going after a bigger base of consumers. The amount of people who bought 17" were low. Sorry.
 
Ok.

Apple is going after a bigger base of consumers. The amount of people who bought 17" were low. Sorry.

I find your not so apologetic "apology" for the dumbing down of Apples product line funny for a couple of reasons. First, it's strange how many other major "consumer" product companies also has a presence in the high end markets of their fields, such as Sony, JVC, Panasonic, ect. yet somehow Apple can't handle that anymore. Sony has a pretty big base yet makes some of the best decks around.

Second lets face it, Apple computers wouldn't even be "cool" in the first place if it wasn't for the professional market. In a few years when all those creative college kids go and visit the design shops, audio houses, film studios they want to work at and see them all using something else, that something else is going to be what they come back and buy. And then the film students, DJ's and design kids on campus are all going to be advertising a non-Apple computers. We'll see how that "bigger base" is then when perception is that Apple's are just toys for hipsters.

And third, I love that the idea of a high end machine that professionals want to use is somehow considered a "bad" thing now if it's not the top selling thing Apple makes. It seems that not any is there really no more room for excellence within Apples lineup, but a disdain for that very goal within Apples fan base if they personally don't need such a thing. With customers like that Apple will soon be the Adam Sandler of computers.

Now with renders done I must get back to work, I use my computer for more than just Facebook and it need to get back to billable things.
 
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