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13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Pricing to Start at Roughly $1699
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Then complain about the pricing for those, but not in this thread. All I was saying is based on their current pricing structure for the retina and non retina 15's and the current 13's this rumored price seems about right.
$1599 would have been a more reasonable price. With student discount $1499. That would be worth the slim design, SSD and retina. But at $1699 this thing should have a discrete graphics or else IMO its not worth it. I think I'll be sticking to my air till next year.
Except you can't USE that resolution. You can use a "pretty" version of 1280x800 (which is laughable for a 13" screen) or some awkward scaled monstrosity. This is the reason I haven't jumped on a 15" Retina yet and still am using an 11" Air. I have roughly the same resolution as the current 13 but in an 11" screen. I know Retina is pretty, but really that's all it's buying you.
I realize there are other advantages (more RAM, all flash) but the fact everything is now soldered, you're out of luck if you wanted to up your resources without paying the Apple tax. I took my 2011 iMac to 16GB RAM for less than $80. If I had to buy that from Apple, it probably would have been a $400+ option. I wouldn't buy a new laptop with less than 8, and probably would take it 16 myself (if I could), but again I'm adding $200-$400 to the base price.
Retina display = $0
Well, here we go again... What does Apple charge for a retina display? Anyone?
If you said anything other than $0, you're wrong. Go to the Apple Store and configure 2 MBPs with identical specs, one with and one without the retina option. You'll actually spend less for the retina in some cases.
Well, here we go again... What does Apple charge for a retina display? Anyone?
If you said anything other than $0, you're wrong. Go to the Apple Store and configure 2 MBPs with identical specs, one with and one without the retina option. You'll actually spend less for the retina in some cases.
I'd consider that price if it has a discrete graphics card. Otherwise I'll stick to the MacBook air line.
At that price it would have to be a decent desktop replacement, but without a discrete graphics chip I don't think it will be able to do that for me.
At that price it would have to be a decent desktop replacement, but without a discrete graphics chip I don't think it will be able to do that for me.
Not buying a computer for aesthetic reasons is actually a very good reason not to buy a computer! That's why I never buy PC laptops!
Use some of those billions Apple
I think Apple should use that wad of cash it has, I believe its (115 billion) and subsidize these things. With the money Apple has, they could be selling the MacBook Pro with Retina Display for $100 and making profit.
Seriously, its time for change now Apple, you are not going to go broke anytime soon. Show back a little love to your loyal customers. Drop the price by 20% on everything.
I think Apple should use that wad of cash it has, I believe its (115 billion) and subsidize these things. With the money Apple has, they could be selling the MacBook Pro with Retina Display for $100 and making profit.
Seriously, its time for change now Apple, you are not going to go broke anytime soon. Show back a little love to your loyal customers. Drop the price by 20% on everything.
Intel 4000?
In my opinion, wouldn't the Intel 4000 Video be a little under-powered to drive the retina display? It would seem more appropriate given its a Macbook "Pro" to include a discrete video? This could be a show stopper for me.
In my opinion, wouldn't the Intel 4000 Video be a little under-powered to drive the retina display? It would seem more appropriate given its a Macbook "Pro" to include a discrete video? This could be a show stopper for me.
Really? You checked every PC out there and you don't buy them because they don't look good? There are thousands, literally thousands, of models and looks out there, and none of them look good?
I would understand sticking to Mac for the OS, reliability, etc... but for aesthetic reasons?
The larger price difference (and an even bigger price percentage difference as the 13" models are cheaper) between the retina and non-retina models compared to the 15" makes me think there will be discrete graphics in the 13" rMBP. Here is my reasoning:
Spec up a non-retina 15" MBP to match a retina model and it is more expensive. But the retina model has all that as standard because it is needed to power that display.
The bigger price difference on the 13" is because it needs a much bigger performance boost compared to the non-retina 13" models. That could well be accounted for by a much needed discrete GPU.
Spec up a non-retina 15" MBP to match a retina model and it is more expensive. But the retina model has all that as standard because it is needed to power that display.
The bigger price difference on the 13" is because it needs a much bigger performance boost compared to the non-retina 13" models. That could well be accounted for by a much needed discrete GPU.
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I don't know.
The 13" MacBook Pro, both retina and non-retina, seem to be in a precarious place to me, considering there is the 13" MacBook Air. The base price point of $1699 for the 13" rMBP just doesn't seem right when you can get a fully-loaded top of the line 13" MBA now for $1699, and that gets you a 2GHz i7 Ivybridge, 8GB ram, 256GB SSD, a 1440x900 resolution, and a card reader to boot. Those specs are pretty damn good for a machine of that size, and for what most people do with a 13" machine.
If anything, Apple needs to consolidate its 13" category. The non-retina 13" and 15" will most like EOL in the next 1-2 years, but at that point, what would really define the 13" MBA and 13" rMBP other than size and spec bumps? Perhaps then, Apple will combine both and call it the Air. Or perhaps they'll discontinue the 13" Air and leave us with an 11" MacBook Air, 13" MacBook, and 15" MacBook Pro (creating distinct product lines again).
The 13" MacBook Pro, both retina and non-retina, seem to be in a precarious place to me, considering there is the 13" MacBook Air. The base price point of $1699 for the 13" rMBP just doesn't seem right when you can get a fully-loaded top of the line 13" MBA now for $1699, and that gets you a 2GHz i7 Ivybridge, 8GB ram, 256GB SSD, a 1440x900 resolution, and a card reader to boot. Those specs are pretty damn good for a machine of that size, and for what most people do with a 13" machine.
If anything, Apple needs to consolidate its 13" category. The non-retina 13" and 15" will most like EOL in the next 1-2 years, but at that point, what would really define the 13" MBA and 13" rMBP other than size and spec bumps? Perhaps then, Apple will combine both and call it the Air. Or perhaps they'll discontinue the 13" Air and leave us with an 11" MacBook Air, 13" MacBook, and 15" MacBook Pro (creating distinct product lines again).
I don't understand people like this don't get banned. Every comment is anti-Apple. If that's not trolling I don't know what is.
The scaled options would be the only reason I would buy it. The scaled resolutions on the 15" Retina still look better than the non-retina MBP display, because it renders at 2x then scales down. So at 1920x1080 it is actually rendering 3840x2160 then scaling back down to the displays actual resolution. This is not even close to using a non-native resolution on an LCD monitor (Which looks like complete crap.)
The issue with the scaling though is performance, as I found it to be a bit laggy when using the highest scaled mode. And if the 13" doesn't have a discrete card that doesn't give me a lot of hope that it will do any better.
I hope people weren't hoping it would be at $1500 like the 13" MBAir/256GB.
*IF* the rMBP 13 has a Quad-core CPU, discrete graphics, 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD like it's big brother, then $1700 is more than reasonable.
As SSD prices are gradually dropping, I hope the upgrade from 256GB to 512GB isn't effing $500.
*IF* the rMBP 13 has a Quad-core CPU, discrete graphics, 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD like it's big brother, then $1700 is more than reasonable.
As SSD prices are gradually dropping, I hope the upgrade from 256GB to 512GB isn't effing $500.
Yeah that's the reason a corporation is in business, to subsidize its customers.
You must come from the Obama school of thought.
The photo looks exactly like the regular MBP 13" because it _is_ a photo of the regular MBP 13".
Nobody knows if these guys have actual sources or just make it up. Apple has two choices for a retina MBP 13: Take the 15" Retina MBP unchanged, except shrunk in width and depth. That will be luxurious and expensive (plenty of people screaming all the time that Apple should get rid of spinning disks, apparently oblivious to the cost). Or they take the 13" MBP and replace the screen. Maybe remove the CD drive to get more space for batteries. That's cheap.
So how much is a 13" MBA with 1 TB of disk space?
I keep it unscaled 90% of the time. I would do the same with a 13". Just prefer the text a bit larger
However, it is really nice to have the possibility to switch the resolution when I need to (which is rare, but it happens, and having 1920 pixels on the 15" or probably something like 1700 on the 13" when you need it is nice, and I don't really care about performance at that point).
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If it's anything like the 15" retina, you'll be able to scale the resolution. I keep my 15" retina scaled.
That would probably lead to homicide. Imagine how many Apple haters would suicide because they couldn't cope with their only factual argument against Apple.
Yeah that's the reason a corporation is in business, to subsidize its customers.
Haha! +1
"What! A company makes too much money and they're charging us this much!? They should make it free to me because..... somehow... I'm entitled to it"
If true then this is yet more ammo to my theory that any iPad mini is going to be EXPENSIVE. Apples entire pricing policies across all its products is always has always and will always be massive mark up because we all still buy those products in our millions.
Why would you change your entire business ethos and plan for one product when that plan is incredibly successful and earning you ever increasing billions year on year. Nope, the iPad Mini is going to be one overpriced expensive toy IMO.
Plus what gpu is this laptop going to have? An integrated one with poor games performance at native resolution?
Why would you change your entire business ethos and plan for one product when that plan is incredibly successful and earning you ever increasing billions year on year. Nope, the iPad Mini is going to be one overpriced expensive toy IMO.
Plus what gpu is this laptop going to have? An integrated one with poor games performance at native resolution?
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Personally I champion the premium pricing as I don't want to have to deal with updating all our websites to support laptop retina displays. For now, we're okay with our websites looking like crap for the tiny minority of hipster elites.
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