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13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Shows Up in Benchmarks
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Get rid of optical drive and a decent discrete GPU and possibly lowest TDP quadcore is possible. Make it happen, Apple!
Nope, I do prefer my personal 13 over my work 15. Hard to describe but I just like the size better when on the go. WHen I am docked, I have a screen to plug into
Sheesh
So. ****ing. What. Considering that practically nothing works properly on the 15" Retina, I'm certainly not terribly interested in a 13" version. It'll be exactly 2 inches less useful than the first version. Utter waste of time and money until CS6, Office, and the software everyone actually uses is updated to take advantage of it. And I don't mean demonstrated at a product release; I mean actually available to BUY to the person on the street.
So. ****ing. What. Considering that practically nothing works properly on the 15" Retina, I'm certainly not terribly interested in a 13" version. It'll be exactly 2 inches less useful than the first version. Utter waste of time and money until CS6, Office, and the software everyone actually uses is updated to take advantage of it. And I don't mean demonstrated at a product release; I mean actually available to BUY to the person on the street.
He just seemed to be a little too happy that lots of people potentially bought the wrong computer.
Surely, you must believe that only discrete GPU can be fast ? I'm using a late 2009 Mac mini that has the NVidia 9400M, so discrete, so it must be better than the HD4000, right ? Obviously. Until you start looking it up:
Or...
Sorry to blow away your dream, but the HD4000 is plenty capable to drive Retina displays and then some. Plenty, plenty. Way plenty. It does exactly that in the 15", particularly when you manually limit it to HD4000 only. Great way to increase battery life:
Peter.
Thinner, lighter, beautiful display, full fat CPU and I'm sold. I don't care about the GPU as long as the UI is smooth as I'll never need more than HD4000.
Nothing....why does it have to. Its another revenue stream for Apple. They have demonstrated many times that their releases dont have to be logical, and the Apples masses drink the coolaid.
My guess is the 13" rMBP will be thin and will replace the MBA. You seeing the start of a transition.
The 13" Retina Pro would obviously be higher specced with a discreet GPU. At least that's the theory...
i brought one because i never owned a macbook before and wanted before i started college this fall. and i knew a 13 retina display was probably coming soon. but i really don't care for retina and a retina macbook would be outside my budget.
That'd be nice, but I'll believe they're putting a dedicated GPU in a 13" laptop when I see it.
That's the only logical possibility. However, it is unlikely, given in the past all 13" MBPs have always had identical graphics as the MBAs.
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The Retina screen can be put in the next "MBA with Retina display".
That makes no sense. The thin MBA form is a huge success, why would they replace it with something thicker? Instead, the 13" MBA will replace the 13" MBP - that makes more sense.
There's a problem with that. The Retina display uses a lot more power. That's why the 15" Retina MBP has a much larger battery than the original 15" MBP. Identical design with the non-retina display would have produced incredible battery life. But with the MBA, there is just no space for a bigger battery. It has lower battery life than the MBP already, with a Retina display it would be quite bad.
But with the 13" MBP, no problem. Leave the case as it is, remove the optical drive, use the space for battery. With the MBA, I suggest we'll have to wait until a Retina display can be produced that uses less power.
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Read _carefully_ what I wrote. Then you have a choice of repeating the "beyond nonsense", and from then on I'll know what to think of you, or you admit that you were careless reading.
It is still nonsense. You need a strong GPU to drive a strong display. Period. There is no science to that. Try running a Retina display of GMA X3100 graphics... try running Retina of the nVidia 9400M. Ok, lets go higher, the 320M.. or the 330GT. You won't because although he resolution is supported, the amount of GPU compute power isn't there to deliver quality.
Yes, you can have an Intel 4000 GPU drive the display, but you will get bad quality in daily use. You will see this as jagged or lagged frames. You will get nice results when word processing, but not everyone does that all day long. See recent Facebook web page viewing and how frame rates drop to low 24 fps.... thats barely making it. GPU is finding it hard to keep up.
If I want a retina Mac, I want something with a good GPU behind it. Quality over hype.
Architecture, pipelining of data, memory bandwidth. 16 cores is useless if the pipeline towards those cores is small. Moreover, if the memory is limited then yo can't store much pixel information. Even more important, if those memory lanes aren't wide enough or fast enough, you won't move data as required... hence you end up with lower frame rates.
Nope not at all, just close the MBP and let it drive the external display. There are some nice little stands that you can use. I'm trying to remember the thread that I saw that had tons of pictures of folks with Apple Thunderbolt displays that were being powered by closed MBP's. They just hook em up use apple keyboards/magic mice and then when they wanna go elsewhere they just unhook the thunderbolt/magsafe adapter and go.
The 13" is the perfect size for me. I'd almost go for the 11" but it's just a bit too small.
I don't know anyone with a 15 or 17 that actually uses their machine "on the go." If you slug a laptop from desk to desk, a 19" would probably be fine. The 15" doesn't even really fit on an airplane tray table or those little tables in auditorium classrooms. The 13" does.
And I hear a lot of bellyaching about the lack of a discreet GPU but, again, who cares about a 13"? People who move around with their laptop. Are these people gaming or rendering 3D? As a general rule, no. Battery life is much more important than GPU power generally speaking.
My 13" will currently power a 30" cinema display and its own monitor at the same time. How much does someone need/expect out of a laptop that's a compromise between power and mobility?
That's said, my friend at work has a 15" rMBP and the screen is just plain gorgeous. Unless the price on the 13" rMBP is insane, I'll be getting one. As someone who works on a computer all day, that monitor is a welcome sight.
I think the idea is to have a truly no compromise machine, one which is light and portable enough to carry, but powerful enough for some gaming and rendering 3D/video work. They are hard to find on the PC side as well, but Sony do make machines in this class (running Windows obviously), so it would be nice to see a competitor from Apple.
Are you talking about the Vaio Z? That uses a dedicated GPU only when docked, over Thunderbolt in fact.
No, I was talking about the VAIO S premium. But previous Z series models did have discrete graphics as well.
In other words, you either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote, which all had nothing whatsoever to do with your reply. Pathetic.