My apologies everyone. I was tired and I seemed to skip past that last sentence about them also thinking it may be firmware.
I stand by the hope myself.
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13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!
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My apologies everyone. I was tired and I seemed to skip past that last sentence about them also thinking it may be firmware.
I stand by the hope myself.
There would be no point in this as it's probably firmware, but it doesn't change the fact that it may or may not be fixable. Apple needs to find out if it's possible (and worth it) to change via update before they make any promises.
I am almost SURE it is a firmware problem. The chipset is the EXACT same one as in the previous Macbooks. The hardware is almost exactly the same. That means that either in firmware or in software the speed is being artificially limited. This problem either slipped through quality control OR Apple is well aware of the problem but decided to ship the notebooks anyway since the bug is NOT a deal killer. The ONLY people who are affected are those with high-end SSDs. This is probably going to be a very small percentage of the total number of sales of these notebooks especially with all of the college buyers right now. Many of these college buyers don't know or care what SATA is they just want the computer to work.
I highly doubt Apple will make a statement. They will simply ship a firmware update and all will be well.
I highly doubt Apple will make a statement. They will simply ship a firmware update and all will be well.
A big thing I like about Apple is that they take their time and think things through before they do something. And I'm sure that's what they're doing at this very moment. Figuring out exactly what is causing the problem, instead of merely releasing a patch that would correct it. That's how you end up with a stable system.
Yes, they should be better at publishing a "We're working on it, be patient" message, but I guess nobody's perfect..
And before anyone comments on how they should just have done it right from the start - yes they should, and they did it lots of times before, but this could be a last minute edit in something that dominoed and is causing some little thing going "0" instead of "1". S**t happens, and this bug is pretty well hidden, since everything runs just fine (for most people
, so I can forgive them for this one.GREAT to hear that Phil is aware of the problem though - big thanks to you guys for mailing
I don't mean to play devil's advocate here but if it was a "problem" why did Apple list the specs on the page of their website as SATA and not SATA I or SATA II..it seems like they are aware and intentionally did not specify so they did not turn people off to buying them. I pray it is a firmware issue but I just can't help but wonder why they did that unless it is industry standard to just say "SATA" and that implies SATA II. We shall see I guess...
To me, a problem would be advertising SATA II and shipping them with 1.5Gb SATA I
Just for precision's sake: Apple only shows it in drive's specification, so it doesn't refer to chipset in any way. I don't know if any of the drives they ship use SATA 3 Gb/s.
Ok so with respect to people who know a great deal more than me about computers and computer hardware, I'm sorry if this sounds primitive or is wrong, but I did some searching around and this is what I think. Let me know if I'm wrong, right, or you don't know. I checked the specs on the nVidia MCP79 chipset and it is capable of 3Gbps. Then I looked at the pdf link by MB4me's post #1287. It's about the ACHI (Advanced Host Controller Interface). It says that an ACHI host device is HBA (host bus adapters). Later on it lists the capabilities of the HBA software and says it's capable of 1.5, 3, and 6 Gbps. So I was thinking that this is proof that it's a software issue and can be fixed because if the hardware (the chipset) is capable of 3Gbps and is running at 1.5, then it's the HBA software setting. Any thoughts on this? I may be totally off, but this was just after a few minutes of researching.
That would be fantastic as its killing me that I can't run down to the Apple store after waiting so long for this update.
How about we all stand up at one time, one petition, and then Apple will tell us what could be done?
Well, let me tell you this. This is all about business practice. Whether you like it or not, there are more people buying apples.
I have heard the old saying "Mac is only for geek". Please be more reasonable. Do you think everyone who purchase MacBook is a geek? I mean what do you mean by geek? Professor in Computer Science? Oh that's really a geek.
Apple made the decision to stop the 2008 unibody Macbook and transfer them to Pro line is mainly because they want to distinguish the MacBook and Pro production line. The price and the performance between the MacBook 13 and MacBook Pro from last year, both entry level, are pretty close. In fact, most people choose the MacBook 13 / 15 because they think the price is fairly cheaper while the performance is pretty close (to the majority of the users).
Unless you are somebody who does geek stuff like audio and video editing, compressing and programming, maybe that Ghz difference will be a big deal.
Anyway, back to the topic. I want a SSD. I was going to purchase one but after knowing about this, I was shocked and doubted it again. I would rather to go for HDD.
I think whatever you are going for, great, that's your decision, and I do think Apple should think about putting that 3.0 back on 13'. It is so cheap that they decice to do this. Not because of the batter life, but the business practice.
It's an entry level, they don't expect you geek people install SSD on a 13", because most geek would probably go for the higher Ghz one.
Apparently, this is what majority is doing. But for whatever reason that many geeks choose the 13", well, I am feeling bad for you and myself.
What can we do? Nothing. Complain it, let them know, and drop the line.
We complain about the firewire last year, they put it back. So what did you guys do? You guys used it until you want to get another one.
Now the 13" has firewire 800, get it if you want. Well if you want that 3.0SSD performance, I guess, complain about it, let them know, and next year, another fix there for us.
This is the real world, just calm down, stop being like some wild uneducated animals.
Send them the feedback and let them know about it.
Or you could send an email to Steve Jobs again....
Well, let me tell you this. This is all about business practice. Whether you like it or not, there are more people buying apples.
I have heard the old saying "Mac is only for geek". Please be more reasonable. Do you think everyone who purchase MacBook is a geek? I mean what do you mean by geek? Professor in Computer Science? Oh that's really a geek.
Apple made the decision to stop the 2008 unibody Macbook and transfer them to Pro line is mainly because they want to distinguish the MacBook and Pro production line. The price and the performance between the MacBook 13 and MacBook Pro from last year, both entry level, are pretty close. In fact, most people choose the MacBook 13 / 15 because they think the price is fairly cheaper while the performance is pretty close (to the majority of the users).
Unless you are somebody who does geek stuff like audio and video editing, compressing and programming, maybe that Ghz difference will be a big deal.
Anyway, back to the topic. I want a SSD. I was going to purchase one but after knowing about this, I was shocked and doubted it again. I would rather to go for HDD.
I think whatever you are going for, great, that's your decision, and I do think Apple should think about putting that 3.0 back on 13'. It is so cheap that they decice to do this. Not because of the batter life, but the business practice.
It's an entry level, they don't expect you geek people install SSD on a 13", because most geek would probably go for the higher Ghz one.
Apparently, this is what majority is doing. But for whatever reason that many geeks choose the 13", well, I am feeling bad for you and myself.
What can we do? Nothing. Complain it, let them know, and drop the line.
We complain about the firewire last year, they put it back. So what did you guys do? You guys used it until you want to get another one.
Now the 13" has firewire 800, get it if you want. Well if you want that 3.0SSD performance, I guess, complain about it, let them know, and next year, another fix there for us.
This is the real world, just calm down, stop being like some wild uneducated animals.
Send them the feedback and let them know about it.
Or you could send an email to Steve Jobs again....
I agree on the feedback suggestion. I have sent feedback BTW. The issue is that Apple could fix this fairly easily and is reportedly (based on a number of posts with responses from Phill Schiller's clones) investigating it.
You do realize that the 15" have the same problem right? That pretty much invalidates the "entry level" theory.
Well, the white plastic MacBook is the entry level and it has the 3.0Gb SATA bus.
Well. Yes, that I know but I counted as entry level because 15 was the entry level in the past.
The one thing I still don't understand is what cause the reduction?
I read the comments and most of them said the spec is still 3.0 but Apple limited it?
The current white MacBook is 3.0Gb -- I don't know if that is a recent upgrade or if it has always been 3.0Gb. The white MacBook was not part of the announcement at WWDC 2009, but it was quietly upgraded at the end of May.
Apple always does some weird things. I also found that the new firmware in the new Iphones still don't allow you to delete calls and messages individually. How hard can this be these days to allow simple tasks such as deleting calls and messages individually on a phone?? So not only is the new Sata at 1.5 Gbps a step backwards but their new firmware in their new Iphones is also a step backwards..