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13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!

Which connector is your new unibody Macbook pro

  • Sata I - 1.5Gbit

    Votes: 218 69.6%

  • Sata II - 3.0Gbit

    Votes: 95 30.4%
  • Total voters
    313
I'm really hoping this user was telling the truth/has a legit source

He posted this in another thread

cash4chaos said:
Loving it !!!
Just to let everyone know, I spoke to a friend who is a Apple engineer at the Cupertino HQ and asked about the 1.5 sata vs 3.0 sata and all it is is a FIRMWARE UPGRADE !!! :D:apple:
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Let's cross our fingers!
 
Even though I am one of the people that is not bothered or affected by this (HDD), I left a comment to Apple about the issue and will call later on in the week if nothing surfaces.

I also agree that if people want to gain more information about this and possibly prompt a fix, we all have to chime the same tune.
 
fuzzielitlpanda said:
has anyone benchmarked the ssd apple ships? just curious about whether it saturates the 1.5 interface.
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Depends on what you're doing. If you're doing heavy things like video editing, of course it will saturate the interface. Booting the MBP or apps likely won't make a difference if it was a SATA II.
 
Unprocessed1 said:
Depends on what you're doing. If you're doing heavy things like video editing, of course it will saturate the interface. Booting the MBP or apps likely won't make a difference if it was a SATA II.
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well i ask because i'm wondering what the read/write speeds are on the apple ssds. i searched around the forum, but could not find any benchmarks on apple ssds.
 
Apple is so incredibly shady it's ridiculous. I just got off the phone with one of their engineers. First he tried convincing me that it's because I have the low end 13" pro. Then when I told him my friend bought the low end 15" pro and is having the same problem, he tried telling me it might be because he got the low end 15". Then he says from his research it's only a problem with the 13 and 15" pros and not the 17. Throughout the whole conversation he kept telling me I can't confirm that what your alleging is true. So I asked which part, the fact that the nVidia MCP79 is capable of 3 Gbps or the fact that the new pros are only capable of 1.5 Gbps. HE SAYS BOTH!!!! So I told him I already know it's true and I don't need him to confirm it but can he tell me IF it is in fact a problem, is it something that can be remedied by a software fix? He kept going in circles with me telling me he can't confirm it's a problem. Finally, when he saw I wasn't backing off, he says "Sir that's proprietary information and I'm limited to the amount of information I can share with you."
INCREDIBLY SHADY!!!!!
 
fuzzielitlpanda said:
well i ask because i'm wondering what the read/write speeds are on the apple ssds. i searched around the forum, but could not find any benchmarks on apple ssds.
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Oh, oh. Well, from personal experience, the SSD on my MBA (Rev A) was kinf of crappy, and had a pretty terrible score on xbench (in the 50's). Can't imagine it was capable of saturating the SATA I. It still was great with boot times and overall snapiness though.
 
PrinceMiro said:
Apple is so incredibly shady it's ridiculous. I just got off the phone with one of their engineers. First he tried convincing me that it's because I have the low end 13" pro. Then when I told him my friend bought the low end 15" pro and is having the same problem, he tried telling me it might be because he got the low end 15". Then he says from his research it's only a problem with the 13 and 15" pros and not the 17. Throughout the whole conversation he kept telling me I can't confirm that what your alleging is true. So I asked which part, the fact that the nVidia MCP79 is capable of 3 Gbps or the fact that the new pros are only capable of 1.5 Gbps. HE SAYS BOTH!!!! So I told him I already know it's true and I don't need him to confirm it but can he tell me IF it is in fact a problem, is it something that can be remedied by a software fix? He kept going in circles with me telling me he can't confirm it's a problem. Finally, when he saw I wasn't backing off, he says "Sir that's proprietary information and I'm limited to the amount of information I can share with you."
INCREDIBLY SHADY!!!!!
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Luckily the user on MR who actually knows a Apple engineer works in Cupertino, so I'm guessing he's more in the loop than the clown you spoke to on the phone.

Apple is trying to dodge it, for whatever reason.

I asked an Apple employee and he didn't even know was SATA was. :rolleyes: And I can't even get a job at an Apple store...
 
I for one hope this can be changed, but I'm pretty certain it will not. Here's some reasons:

1.) It was a mistake. Does anyone seriously think something like this would be missed during development and testing? Seriously? There is no possible way this could happen.

2.) The firmware wasn't done yet. Again, seriously? It was working before and somehow it couldn't be just copied? Seriously?

3.) It was a design decision. This is what I would expect. This was done intentionally, though I have no idea why. Do you really think within a few days the hardware bosses at Apple are going to say "yah, those guys on MacRumors are upset so let's change the design from what we intended". Seriously?

I'd really like to know why this was done but expecting a reversal so quickly is not realistic. This is the same as expecting the MBPs with Apple SSDs to ship with a faster bus.
 
Unprocessed1 said:
Oh, oh. Well, from personal experience, the SSD on my MBA (Rev A) was kinf of crappy, and had a pretty terrible score on xbench (in the 50's). Can't imagine it was capable of saturating the SATA I. It still was great with boot times and overall snapiness though.
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MBA RevA is not using SATA. It's a PATA controller(IDE)
The MBA RevC and RevB are all SATA 3.0Gb which are not affected by this talk.
 
kidtronix said:
I feel the same. My machine is incredible. I love it, but I was completely set on upgrading to an x25 drive to get best speed possible out of the machine and to extends its lifecycle. Especially the lifecycle aspect of it bothers me because in two years, SSD will be standard, and my computer won't be able to take advantage and match it. That being said, I can't wait until a late 2009 revision and everything else about the machine is perfect.
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+1

The machine is awesome but I would like Apple to explain why they are using budget SATA 1 on a pro product. I don't mind paying the apple tax but this is lame.
 
macat said:
+1

The machine is awesome but I would like Apple to explain why they are using budget SATA 1 on a pro product. I don't mind paying the apple tax but this is lame.
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Meh.

I have the X25 installed (yes, it reports back 1.5Gbits). Day-to-day. Nothing bad so far, so I don't know why people are complaining when it seems like 2% are actually doing high-bandwidth video (and they should be using a 17" or Mac Pro anyway, but I digress…). I'll just leave that conjecture there, since there's so much of it anyway.

OK, I'll freaking email Steve. Jesus. If you all will shut up about it.

:D
 
bcaslis said:
1.) It was a mistake. Does anyone seriously think something like this would be missed during development and testing? Seriously? There is no possible way this could happen.
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You're saying this about a company that released an iTunes installer that would nuke any external drive connected to the machine.

Think about it. Apple releases stuff with bugs all the time. That's why there are firmware updates in the first place.
 
TheBrew said:
It installed fine on my old uMB. Have never had a problem on my uMB and Vertex - but yes, there does seem to be issues that they fight with..
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The Brew: I actually installed two ocz vertex on two MBP 13"
Just one simple question...did you skip the valdiating DVD and jump straight to installation?

Or you actually let it valdiate the whole DVD?
 
goMac said:
You're saying this about a company that released an iTunes installer that would nuke any external drive connected to the machine.

Think about it. Apple releases stuff with bugs all the time. That's why there are firmware updates in the first place.
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I think the firmware update for the dvd burner that made it unable to burn dvds was worse. But hey that's just my opinion. They took that down silently and had users worldwide purchase new drives if not under Applecare. In some cases even Applecare was not enough to keep the user from paying for the fix. :rolleyes:

Apple is not alone in designing bad models. HP did a whole notebook series with bad hardware design that under 3 years had to have motherboard replacement every 6 months worldwide. That is some cost. It was the dv6000 and dv9000 series with AMD. At last they just exchanged it for a new model series. This happens. That is why i think this is a design fault but I hope not.

Back to Apple.
 
Shao said:
The Brew: I actually installed two ocz vertex on two MBP 13"
Just one simple question...did you skip the valdiating DVD and jump straight to installation?

Or you actually let it valdiate the whole DVD?
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I must have tried installing Leopard 20 or 30 times by now (testing different scenarios) and yes, 10% of the time I get through the initial install. But then, if I do get through the restore of my old account (67 gigs), it just beachballs me when Spotlight begins to index or when I get into other heavy drive activity.

But to answer your question - I skip. Once should be enough ;) And I get the same hangs when installing from a USB stick (but only if the drive is connected to the SATA port).
 
TheBrew said:
I must have tried installing Leopard 20 or 30 times by now (testing different scenarios) and yes, 10% of the time I get through the initial install. But then, if I do get through the restore of my old account (67 gigs), it just beachballs me when Spotlight begins to index or when I get into other heavy drive activity.

But to answer your question - I skip. Once should be enough ;) And I get the same hangs when installing from a USB stick (but only if the drive is connected to the SATA port).
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I'm sorry to hear that brew~~~~but i think u and mine hardware is the same (except i'm a new macuser hence i got nothing to restore at all)
What firmware are u using? version 1.3?
 
Shao said:
I'm sorry to hear that brew~~~~but i think u and mine hardware is the same (except i'm a new macuser hence i got nothing to restore at all)
What firmware are u using? version 1.3?
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Yup 1.3 - but I had the same problem on an ooold firmware too.

Just be sure you're backed up then. Hopefully either OCZ or Apple will soon have a fix.
 
Going by the benchmarks posted earlier the read performance of the OCZ Vertex on the MBP is 120MB/sec, the write performanc is 80 MB/sec max.

While normally, on a 3Gb connection, it should be 225 read and 180 write.

So it seems that the read performance is exactly limited to 1.5 Gb. But the write performance is far more limited. Does any one know why?
 
Who? What?

Unprocessed1 said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/721155/

There's no reason to believe the user is lying, so this is great news. :D

I'm sure there will be a fix for it within a month.
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Not everyone view the forum with the same posts per page. Now we have no idea what or who you are talking about. To refer to a single post use the post number. Just a friendly tip.
 

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