iPhone 13 Pro 13 pro to 13 and i am happy

[RRC]

Again, you’re obsessing over the difference at a pixel level - blow it up and you’ll see a difference, pixel peep and you’ll see a difference - how about if you just look at the picture? And are you suggesting you can’t make a decent print from an iphone, because of course you can. You’re probably not going to print a billboard, but then, nobody is doing that outside the commercial world anyway.


I’ve been using various X-Pro’s for years, and I’m telling you that at first glance - if you’d wiped my memory - I would have a hard time knowing whether the images I posted above were from the phone or my Fuji. Sure, when I pixel peeped I’d know, and quickly, but until then - just looking at the pictures - I wouldn’t be sure and if you’re honest neither would you. If that isn’t “close” I don’t know what is.

Yes it is.

I’ve seen the threads, and what I see is the usual mix of sample variation and people obsessing over/wanting to see a potential problem. There’s no common consensus over the lenses as you suggest at all, some people seem to be seeing some over processing going on, others have focussing bugs, I’m sure if I pored over my camera roll I’d find a dud or two I could start a whole thread over, but overall the camera performs excellently. I’ve posted samples above, can you fault them?

This is an especially daft thing to say, every time Apple rework the camera they’re “basically starting again” so by your logic should be getting worse each time, clearly that’s not how things have worked in reality.

Perhaps if they pixel peep enough.

Ok, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.
But with regards to the camera being different every year, incorrect. It’s been the same for years, until last year when they changed the pro max sensor, otherwise it’s software tweaks they’ve made mainly. Never before have they changed to a much larger sensor and three different lenses.

There’s no need to get so defensive, yours works fine clearly, but they aren’t all performing. Why not go and contribute to the threads where people are experiencing soft images, poor quality etc and tell them they’re wrong?

Wow great photos, you won't get those from a 12/13. No point with that poster they chime in on every thread where someone says the pro is better or not as good as the budget iPhone, they would never buy one have said it a 100 times. You got him backtracking though with some solid evidence though lol.

If you’re referring to me, then you’re wrong. I’ve not backtracked at all. And you WILL get those photos from a 12 or regular 13. It’s about ability and knowledge with photography.

And I had the 13 Pro, and returned it because it wasn’t as good as I’d expected. And where’s this solid evidence you’re talking about?! I’ll wait…

 

[dannynjoni]

I’m thrilled with the heft and overall feel of the 13 pro. Got a few hundred off the purchase price and was switching service anyways, so easy for me to pick one up coming off 11 pro. Had low expectations and that probably helped a lot in my perspective. But it really is a sweet phone. The camera capabilities, ie wide angle front, 3x zoom, macro, and 4K pro res are very noticeable to me. The screen is stunning as is the promotion. And build quality is great.

If I’d have gotten the 13 I also think I’d really like it. It’s nice and light and the colors are more rich. It’s a great phone and I’d have no regrets. Still happy with my choice tho.

As a DSLR shooter, there is just no way I don’t notice immediately the difference if only for the glass alone. Depth of field is so much smoother with good glass. But I sure appreciate the in-camera software processing you get with these newer phones.

 

[radev]

Stumbled across this thread... I also exchanged a 13 Pro for a regular 13 due to the weight.
I came from an 11 Pro and the weight difference between the 11 Pro and 13 Pro (measured on scale, both phones with leather cases) was 22 grams. Not the absolute end of the world, but noticeable. It's the equivalent of sticking 4 quarters on the back of the 11 Pro.

The regular iPhone 13 is lighter than both phones and as a result I find it more comfortable to use. To me this was more important than the features provided by the 13 Pro.

WOW if you notice 22 grams difference, you should be heading to the gym immediately and start working out

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Wow great photos, you won't get those from a 12/13. No point with that poster they chime in on every thread where someone says the pro is better or not as good as the budget iPhone, they would never buy one have said it a 100 times. You got him backtracking though with some solid evidence though lol.

Did you not see my response to that post you have quoted here then? You’re very familiar here for someone who has been here a short time. The fact you posted this as a dig confirms what I previously thought

 

[pin87a]

WOW if you notice 22 grams difference, you should be heading to the gym immediately and start working out

Lol. I specifically said it wasn’t the end of the world, just that it was noticeable when directly compared to the 11 Pro.

It’s all relative. Adding 22 grams to an 80 pound (~36,000g) bag of concrete (~0.06% increase) is different from adding 22 grams to a 188g device (~12% increase).

As for the topic of this thread, the 13 Pro is 17% heavier than the 13. It’s a device that is often used for hours each day and is supported primarily by the fingers and the wrist. I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable that some people would choose the extra comfort over stainless steel and a telephoto lens they might not use that much.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

WOW if you notice 22 grams difference, you should be heading to the gym immediately and start working out

Or just do as they’ve done and buy the phone they prefer. That’s usually the best method I find and nothing they said suggested they couldn’t pick the iPhone 13 Pro up due to lack of strength.

 

[sonstar]

Lol. I specifically said it wasn’t the end of the world, just that it was noticeable when directly compared to the 11 Pro.

It’s all relative. Adding 22 grams to an 80 pound (~36,000g) bag of concrete (~0.06% increase) is different from adding 22 grams to a 188g device (~12% increase).

As for the topic of this thread, the 13 Pro is 17% heavier than the 13. It’s a device that is often used for hours each day and is supported primarily by the fingers and the wrist. I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable that some people would choose the extra comfort over stainless steel and a telephoto lens they might not use that much.

Most just go for the cheapest budget iPhone.

 

[Dented]

Ok, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.
But with regards to the camera being different every year, incorrect.

I never said or implied it was different every year.

It’s been the same for years,

How many years exactly?

until last year when they changed the pro max sensor,

So they did in fact change it literally last year. Following your logic, by starting all over again in this way they will have screwed up and produced a famously awful camera in the 12 Pro Max, is that what happened? If not, why are you so sure that changing it this year spells disaster?

otherwise it’s software tweaks they’ve made mainly. Never before have they changed to a much larger sensor and three different lenses.

You’re trying to tell me that never, in the history of the iPhone, have Apple ever changed sensor and lens at the same time? All the previous sensor changes used old lenses? All lens changes were in front of old sensors? How sure are you about that?

There’s no need to get so defensive, yours works fine clearly, but they aren’t all performing. Why not go and contribute to the threads where people are experiencing soft images, poor quality etc and tell them they’re wrong?

It feels to me a lot more like you’re getting over defensive of your older iPhone and your DSLR. I don’t feel the need to wade into other threads and tell people that what they see in their own pictures is wrong, that seems to be more your thing.

 

[RRC]

I never said or implied it was different every year.

How many years exactly?

So they did in fact change it literally last year. Following your logic, by starting all over again in this way they will have screwed up and produced a famously awful camera in the 12 Pro Max, is that what happened? If not, why are you so sure that changing it this year spells disaster?

You’re trying to tell me that never, in the history of the iPhone, have Apple ever changed sensor and lens at the same time? All the previous sensor changes used old lenses? All lens changes were in front of old sensors? How sure are you about that?

It feels to me a lot more like you’re getting over defensive of your older iPhone and your DSLR. I don’t feel the need to wade into other threads and tell people that what they see in their own pictures is wrong, that seems to be more your thing.

I don’t have an older iPhone… I have a 13 mini and returned the 13 Pro as I’ve already said.

Nor am I posting on a thread stating incorrect information, there are known issues. Whether that’s software or hardware is yet to be seen. I’m still waiting for you to tell everyone on the other thread with 13 Pro camera issues they are all wrong…

And with regard to the 12 Pro Max sensor, they had a lot more R&D time to change just one lens and one sensor. And it was only on one model. They’ve improved that further in the regular 13 and 13 mini for this year, the 13 Pro got three new cameras and I don’t care what you say, there are issues, that’s a fact as can be clearly seen in many images posted on this very forum, maybe not on all devices but a lot are experiencing quite major issues for “Pro” device.

I am simply sharing my experience, as a professional, and with many years experience of working with both iPhones and professional cameras, be that DSLR, mirrorless or full frame.

I don’t want people to go out and buy something they may not need, or may be underwhelming when the camera quality is not much different from the regular 13 images, which is what this thread was originally discussing.

As a DSLR shooter, there is just no way I don’t notice immediately the difference if only for the glass alone. Depth of field is so much smoother with good glass. But I sure appreciate the in-camera software processing you get with these newer phones.

This. If you have ability with a camera, you’d notice straight away. That’s the point I was trying to make, others in this thread saying they can barely tell a difference either have very little ability with a camera or are simply trying to justify their purchase.

As an example, left is an iPhone XS, right is IPhone 13 Pro…

 

[dannynjoni]

I don’t have an older iPhone… I have a 13 mini and returned the 13 Pro as I’ve already said.

Nor am I posting on a thread stating incorrect information, there are known issues. Whether that’s software or hardware is yet to be seen. I’m still waiting for you to tell everyone on the other thread with 13 Pro camera issues they are all wrong…

And with regard to the 12 Pro Max sensor, they had a lot more R&D time to change just one lens and one sensor. And it was only on one model. They’ve improved that further in the regular 13 and 13 mini for this year, the 13 Pro got three new cameras and I don’t care what you say, there are issues, that’s a fact as can be clearly seen in many images posted on this very forum, maybe not on all devices but a lot are experiencing quite major issues for “Pro” device.

I am simply sharing my experience, as a professional, and with many years experience of working with both iPhones and professional cameras, be that DSLR, mirrorless or full frame.

I don’t want people to go out and buy something they may not need, or may be underwhelming when the camera quality is not much different from the regular 13 images, which is what this thread was originally discussing.



This. If you have ability with a camera, you’d notice straight away. That’s the point I was trying to make, others in this thread saying they can barely tell a difference either have very little ability with a camera or are simply trying to justify their purchase.

As an example, left is an iPhone XS, right is IPhone 13 Pro…

I’ve never thought anyone needed to know how to use a proper camera/lense setup to see the difference. I highly suspect anyone arguing this is just trolling and trying to make me laugh (it’s working lol). I doubt I‘ll ever entertain those posts with any replies. Some people just like to “be” right, instead of “getting” it right, right? Never roll in the mud with a pig because the pig will LOVE it, and such .

Here’s some pics from my yard using 1x, 3x, and wide as an example of what I’m getting from my new 13 pro. I haven’t done much with it yet since getting it 48 hrs ago, but it certainly meets my expectations for a phone camera. But your pics from the iPhone XS are amazingly clear. I’d like to get more of that, that’s for sure!

 

[RRC]

I’ve never thought anyone needed to know how to use a proper camera/lense setup to see the difference. I highly suspect anyone arguing this is just trolling and trying to make me laugh (it’s working lol). I doubt I‘ll ever entertain those posts with any replies. Some people just like to “be” right, instead of “getting” it right, right? Never roll in the mud with a pig because the pig will LOVE it, and such .

Here’s some pics from my yard using 1x, 3x, and wide as an example of what I’m getting from my new 13 pro. I haven’t done much with it yet since getting it 48 hrs ago, but it certainly meets my expectations for a phone camera. But your pics from the iPhone XS are amazingly clear. I’d like to get more of that, that’s for sure!

They’re not my pictures, they’re taken from the big thread full of complaints.

Lovely mountain you’ve got in your garden I’ll give you that lol.

I think I’ve been misunderstood, I’m saying that some 13 pro and pro max models aren’t performing that’s all, not all.

 

[dannynjoni]

They’re not my pictures, they’re taken from the big thread full of complaints.

Lovely mountain you’ve got in your garden I’ll give you that lol.

I think I’ve been misunderstood, I’m saying that some 13 pro and pro max models aren’t performing that’s all, not all.

Thanks, I like it here in Salt Lake City . I totally get what you’re saying about the 13 pro’s. Just thought I’d post some pics from mine so others can see a typical front yard pic (in ideal lighting), for reference. But I was impressed with the XS photos and decided to say so in the forum. Didn’t get that they were from another post tho. No biggie.

Also going to take a closer look at the differences going forward. I do expect the 13 pro camera to be better than what I’m seeing in your example. Strange…

 

[RRC]

Thanks, I like it here in Salt Lake City . I totally get what you’re saying about the 13 pro’s. Just thought I’d post some pics from mine so others can see a typical front yard pic (in ideal lighting), for reference. But I was impressed with the XS photos and decided to say so in the forum. Didn’t get that they were from another post tho. No biggie.

Also going to take a closer look at the differences going forward. I do expect the 13 pro camera to be better than what I’m seeing in your example. Strange…

I think some users take everything personally when someone questions a certain device or highlights an issue. If people are loving their new purchase, whatever it is, that’s great. But a forum should be balanced and discuss good and bad, including any issues people may be having with others saying they’re wrong.

I’m sure tomorrow will have a further instalment from Salt Lake lol

 

[Dented]

I don’t have an older iPhone… I have a 13 mini and returned the 13 Pro as I’ve already said.

You have an iphone mini with the older 12 pro max sensor, which you’re trying to paint as tried and tested although it was also brand new just last year.

Nor am I posting on a thread stating incorrect information, there are known issues. Whether that’s software or hardware is yet to be seen. I’m still waiting for you to tell everyone on the other thread with 13 Pro camera issues they are all wrong…

Again, that’s your thing. I can only speak to my own experience, and I’ve shared my own images here in this thread. I’m still waiting for you to explain what’s wrong with those images.

And with regard to the 12 Pro Max sensor, they had a lot more R&D time to change just one lens and one sensor. And it was only on one model.

This is all just speculative, naive nonsense - you and I have no idea how much R&D time went into either the 12 pro or the 13. Do you honestly think they launched the 12 pro last year and then thought “hey, let’s change all three cameras next time”? Of course not. Work on the 13 pro camera system probably started years before, as part of a roadmap that stretches on for years more yet. If there’s one thing Apple aren’t known for, it’s knee-jerk design decisions.

They’ve improved that further in the regular 13 and 13 mini for this year, the 13 Pro got three new cameras and I don’t care what you say, there are issues, that’s a fact as can be clearly seen in many images posted on this very forum, maybe not on all devices but a lot are experiencing quite major issues for “Pro” device.

Not on all devices, even based on the small subset of posters here - in other words it’s an intermittent bug that’s affecting a small minority, as per every other iphone release.

I am simply sharing my experience, as a professional, and with many years experience of working with both iPhones and professional cameras, be that DSLR, mirrorless or full frame.

I don’t want people to go out and buy something they may not need, or may be underwhelming when the camera quality is not much different from the regular 13 images, which is what this thread was originally discussing.

You’re a professional photographer, but you see no value in macro photography, or a 3x telephoto lens, or faster focus and more accurate portrait mode effects in low light, for example.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that everyone needs those things, but I find it surprising that you’re so keen to downplay them. Feels like its your own decision you’re trying to justify.

This. If you have ability with a camera, you’d notice straight away. That’s the point I was trying to make, others in this thread saying they can barely tell a difference either have very little ability with a camera or are simply trying to justify their purchase.

I think this is probably the moment you really tip over directly into total camera snobbery. You‘re basically saying that if you can appreciate a ”good“ picture taken with the iphone 13 pro, you have no ability with a camera. Which is a pretty extraordinary claim.

 

[RRC]

You have an iphone mini with the older 12 pro max sensor, which you’re trying to paint as tried and tested although it was also brand new just last year.

Again, that’s your thing. I can only speak to my own experience, and I’ve shared my own images here in this thread. I’m still waiting for you to explain what’s wrong with those images.

This is all just speculative, naive nonsense - you and I have no idea how much R&D time went into either the 12 pro or the 13. Do you honestly think they launched the 12 pro last year and then thought “hey, let’s change all three cameras next time”? Of course not. Work on the 13 pro camera system probably started years before, as part of a roadmap that stretches on for years more yet. If there’s one thing Apple aren’t known for, it’s knee-jerk design decisions.

Not on all devices, even based on the small subset of posters here - in other words it’s an intermittent bug that’s affecting a small minority, as per every other iphone release.

You’re a professional photographer, but you see no value in macro photography, or a 3x telephoto lens, or faster focus and more accurate portrait mode effects in low light, for example.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that everyone needs those things, but I find it surprising that you’re so keen to downplay them. Feels like its your own decision you’re trying to justify.

I think this is probably the moment you really tip over directly into total camera snobbery. You‘re basically saying that if you can appreciate a ”good“ picture taken with the iphone 13 pro, you have no ability with a camera. Which is a pretty extraordinary claim.

No I’m saying they can all take great photos, I’m just saying they’re still a way of a professional camera that’s all. But for what they are, they’re great. Albeit some of the 13 pro models have issues which hopefully can be fixed.

Okay, answer me this… which of these photos was taken on a 13 Pro, an iPhone 12 Pro Max, an iPhone 12 mini and an iPhone 7 Plus. Should be easy if the 13 Pro is so far ahead as you say:

(And that’s without throwing in something from an actual professional camera).

Rather than drag on a difference of opinion, I will say I’m happy that your 13 Pro is obviously performing as it should, and hopefully those who are having issues their device can be fixed with either an update or a recall although I’m guessing Apple will want to avoid that as it’s not all devices affected.

A

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[Dented]

No I’m saying they can all take great photos, I’m just saying they’re still a way of a professional camera that’s all. But for what they are, they’re great. Albeit some of the 13 pro models have issues which hopefully can be fixed.

Okay, answer me this… which of these photos was taken on a 13 Pro, an iPhone 12 Pro Max, an iPhone 12 mini and an iPhone 7 Plus. Should be easy if the 13 Pro is so far ahead as you say:

(And that’s without throwing in something from an actual professional camera).

Rather than drag on a difference of opinion, I will say I’m happy that your 13 Pro is obviously performing as it should, and hopefully those who are having issues their device can be fixed with either an update or a recall although I’m guessing Apple will want to avoid that as it’s not all devices affected.

A

B

C

D

None of them are a macro shot, none are telephoto, none make any use of portrait mode, none are taken in difficult light, honestly without pixel peeping they could all be with a 7 or with your DSLR for that matter, all of which proves nothing about the advantages or otherwise of the 13 Pro.

 

[vrflyer]

I wonder how many children you could feed between your decisions.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The iPhone 13 looks like a good all round iPhone to me and offers a decent amount of the good stuff, much like the 12 did last year and this year. Is the OP still happy with their choice or have they evacuated since the thread has turned into a ‘why the 13 Pro is better’ thread?? Let’s have an update..

 

[MacLappy]

Enjoying the read on this thread!

To be honest, I really like my iPhone 12. Absolutely love everything about it, the colour, shape, weight and how it feels in the hand, was constantly amaze at how something so small, thin and light could do so much. It really spark joy from the very first moments of owning it.

Unfortunately over the past few months rocking the 12, I find myself more often then not, lugging my iPad Pro when I am out and about. The screen on the iPhone 12 was ever so slightly inadequate for my gaming needs. (Specifically Fallout Shelter Online and State of Survival)

I also noticed how I barely use my iPhone 12 at home because of how much better most activity are on the bigger screen of the iPad.

This year I switched from an iPhone 12 to a 13 Pro Max. *gasps* Horror of horrors!

It spark no joy.

You would think the worst thing is how hilarious overweight the iPhone 13 Pro Max is and you would be wrong.

The absolute worst thing is that there is no way of holding the phone without smudging up the sides like a CSI crime site.

Why Apple would choose a material that is heavier, harder to work with, with higher material cost and almost zero perceivable practical benefit to basically build a four sided finger print magnet, is extremely baffling to me.

Come on, it’s no touch ID!

Also… it is unwieldy awkward as a one handed device, bordering on the territory of a 2 handed broadsword.

The saving grace to this whole kerfuffle is that Apple engineered some amazing liquid silicone sheath of which my choice the “Blue Jay” variant, does nicely complement the “Sierra Blue” of the iPhone Pro Max. Not only does it cover up the crime scene but also makes the iPhone much easier and more comfortable to hold in the hands.

Having said all that, in the short duration that I own my iPhone 13 Pro Max, I notice that I barely use my iPad Pro except for reading manga/webtoon(asian style comics) and looking at chord sheets.

The iPhone 13 Pro Max can adequately replace the iPad in all other situations and dare I say, makes for a slightly better choice as it is just easier to hold compared to my iPad Pro.

Pro-motion display and “never say die” battery life are nice additions too. The increase fluidity and extra long game play without the need for a recharge are both game changing for me.

If the iPhone 12 was love at first feel, the 13 Pro Max is a slow burn.

It grew on me and without any intention on my part, slowly became the device that I use most frequently daily. The iPhone 12(13) maybe the device I want but ultimately the iPhone 13 Pro Max is the device I need.

Who would have guess!

P.S. If not for the impediment of poor eyesight, the iPhone 13 or perhaps even the 13 mini which I find absolutely adorable, would be my go to choice. Therefore it is still my recommendation for most people.

 

[sonstar]

Long time since a iPhone was comfy and not slippery to hold, graphite ss doesnt worry me with smudges, not like the back of the 12 I had and it’s slippery aluminium.

 

[MacLappy]

Long time since a iPhone was comfy and not slippery to hold, graphite ss doesnt worry me with smudges, not like the back of the 12 I had and it’s slippery aluminium.

Sorry have to disagree with you.

My iPhone 12 feel comfortable in my hands as did my iPhone XR.
They were for me, one handed devices.
I guess it depends on hand size too.