I lolled at “except for mini” - even when you tried to rework your own definition to make it fit, you realised it still didn’t work and had to fudge round it again!
The 6S has a good camera. My 11 Pro has a great camera. You missed my point or chose to ignore it.
Well, to you, they're small updates and it's you who thinks it's best to ignore them. Please understand that you speak only for yourself and when you patronize others, it can be annoying.
You have missed the point here, to be fair - the camera on the 13 Pro is a very substantial update on any iPhone from the past few years. I’m a keen photographer and usually carry a fairly high end mirrorless camera around with me most of the time, the 13 Pro is the first iPhone to have me seriously rethinking that.
I’m well aware of the IQ difference, but the fact is it’s smaller and less noticeable than it ever has been. The real difference up till now has been the greater versatility of the dedicated camera, being so much better in low light for instance, but here again the 13 pro has that idea on the run. It’s good in low light, it has a good choice of focal lengths (I usually shoot with just one prime on the camera), and arguably it’s more adaptable in many situations. It genuinely has me wondering.Don’t worry, I wasn’t pretending iPhone cameras don’t improve with every release and didn’t miss the point being made
I certainly wouldn’t be moving away from a decent mirrorless camera if I were you either. Once you start cropping any camera phone image, you’ll see the difference. iPhones are great pony and shoot cameras but still lack the detail you get from a decent lens on a dedicated camera. The images are decent enough for small prints and web use however and most people tend to use phone images for that purpose anyway.
Firstly, pixel peeping is not the purpose of photography. It’s not a healthy thing. I use a Fujifilm X-Pro3, a great camera with a class leading BSI sensor, 26mp, great dynamic range and low light performance, fantastic Fuji colours, sharp Fujinon glass etc - the images it produces are amazing. But it’s an APS-C camera, and if I choose to spend time pixel peeping and comparing to the best full frame cameras out there I can soon find it falling short. The obvious question is - why do that? The images are great so why pixel peep and compare it to something it’s not?
Despite the Pro in the name, I don’t think anyone is suggesting the 13 Pro is going to replace every professional photographers gear. But the vast majority of people who take pictures, and love to take pictures, and are serious about their pictures, are not professionals. I’ve shot a few weddings but I don’t consider myself a professional, I just love photography. I want to produce work of a certain standard for sure, but I’m not trying to impress a client, I’m just expressing myself and having fun. Up till now that was a job for the X-Pro3, but now the 13 Pro has a role in that too.
Sorry but in my experience with the 13 Pro I find all that pretty questionable. The new lenses are plenty sharp. The supposed problem you’ve linked to is regarding the front camera, not the new back cameras, I’ve not noticed any issue with that either but frankly wouldn’t care if there was.The 13 Pro is also suffering from a fair few issues with softness and a lack of detail, and over sharpening images, something the 12 Pro Max and regular 13 don’t, because of the difference in aperture. It’s like on your mirror less camera, unless you want a shallow depth of field or light is lacking, you’d never ever use f1.5 if you wanted a quality image. That’s what the Pro’s are shooting at outdoors, and then self applying HDR sharpening etc to compensate, not nice.
13 Pro is better in low light, however from what I’ve seen first hand (returned my 13 Pro) compared to my 13 mini using last years sensor etc, the older setup actually performs better.
I’d still prefer to use an old RX100 then an iPhone for something that really mattered, there’s simply no replacement for sensor size and good glass.
Whether that’s bad batches, I’ve no idea but it’s a genuine problem as this forum and others will confirm.
iPhone 13 Camera is blurry - Apple Community
discussions.apple.com
Again, you’re obsessing over the difference at a pixel level - blow it up and you’ll see a difference, pixel peep and you’ll see a difference - how about if you just look at the picture? And are you suggesting you can’t make a decent print from an iphone, because of course you can. You’re probably not going to print a billboard, but then, nobody is doing that outside the commercial world anyway.
I’ve been using various X-Pro’s for years, and I’m telling you that at first glance - if you’d wiped my memory - I would have a hard time knowing whether the images I posted above were from the phone or my Fuji. Sure, when I pixel peeped I’d know, and quickly, but until then - just looking at the pictures - I wouldn’t be sure and if you’re honest neither would you. If that isn’t “close” I don’t know what is.
Yes it is.
I’ve seen the threads, and what I see is the usual mix of sample variation and people obsessing over/wanting to see a potential problem. There’s no common consensus over the lenses as you suggest at all, some people seem to be seeing some over processing going on, others have focussing bugs, I’m sure if I pored over my camera roll I’d find a dud or two I could start a whole thread over, but overall the camera performs excellently. I’ve posted samples above, can you fault them?
This is an especially daft thing to say, every time Apple rework the camera they’re “basically starting again” so by your logic should be getting worse each time, clearly that’s not how things have worked in reality.
Perhaps if they pixel peep enough.
Wow great photos, you won't get those from a 12/13. No point with that poster they chime in on every thread where someone says the pro is better or not as good as the budget iPhone, they would never buy one have said it a 100 times. You got him backtracking though with some solid evidence though lol.
