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They have been $1799-1999 for years, so yes, that's what the string point should be, it's not my opinion, lots of others say they got too expensive.
But yet you give free passes to other companies charging more and accept them taking more but Apple should be a loss leader in your purview
 
No way this thing has a USB A port on it. They may re-adopt MagSafe but I can’t think of once circumstance where they’ve re-adopted a legacy technology that has a viable more modern alternative (floppy drives, FireWire, CD drives, and the list goes on)
 
Just turn the touchpad into a touchscreen and call it a day.

That would be horrible human interface design. The UI would have to decide whether the user wants to click on something on screen or on the touchpad. You'd constantly be accidentally clicking an item when you meant to move the cursor, etc. It would drive people nuts.
“There could be additions like an SD card slot or an HDMI port.”

Reading this on an Apple site is a joke. Hell would need to freeze over before Apple put these ports back.

While I agree, The SD slot is the only thing I miss from my earlier Macs. It was very useful, when combined with CCC and QRecall, as a backup device on the road. If my Mac dies at least all my documents were readily available for use on another device; as well as copies of past versions if I messed up a document while working on it.re
I would get a 12 inch M1 in a heartbeat.

I'm guessing Apple is positioning the iPad as the small screen portable computer. Granted iOS doesn't do everything MacOS does; but Apple's thinking may be if a user wants a small screen they probably aren't doing much heavy lifting so an iPad with keypad/trackpad and iOS is more than sufficient. No need to offer a product that competes with iPad sales.
 
why more ports? if you need more ports, the MacPro has all the ports you need. Portable Mac laptops are supposed to be light and thin. Easier for traveling.
That is true. However, a lot of people here are anti-dongle or just tired of having to buy, transport, and use dongles even when at home. No matter what, some people at MR will never be happy.
 
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But yet you give free passes to other companies charging more and accept them taking more but Apple should be a loss leader in your purview
This is a straw man argument, he’s neither saying Apple needs to take a loss or that other companies charge more for less. The 16” pro has a much higher starting price than it did historically, seemingly because they decided to only offer models with dedicated graphics from 2016. As Apple Silicon integrated graphics are much better than Intel integrated graphics, Apple have the option to delete the dGPU on a future Apple Silicon model and pass that saving on to the consumer to reduce the starting price back to what it was previously.
 
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As Apple Silicon integrated graphics are much better than Intel integrated graphics, Apple have the option to delete the dGPU on a future Apple Silicon model and pass that saving on to the consumer to reduce the starting price back to what it was previously.

Perhaps, but I cannot recall a time when Apple actually reduced the prices on a Mac. They might offer better specs at the same price point, but no price drop. The only time I recall a price that was less than existing models was when a new machine was introduced, not merely the next iteration of an existing product. I'd love to be wrong but would not bet on it.
 
Nothing says “easier for traveling“ like carrying around a bunch of dongles and adaptors.

One $25 USB-C hub will give you more single-purpose ports than any previous MacBook Pro had (with the exception of the 17" which had ExpressCard), and be roughly half the size of an iPhone (ie if you 'cut' the phone in half length-wise).

But guess what? If you happen to travel, and you don't use, say, HDMI very often, but you use a wired network more often, you can get one that has that instead. Or any number of other single-use ports.

The ability to have a laptop that can adapt to almost any kind of I/O in moments, is a massively under-valued proposition by the whiners.
 
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MAC is going to be great. So going forward, the most important job of MAC users is to rescue, gently help our fellow humans who suffered long using Windows to move/convert to MAC.
 
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That would be horrible human interface design. The UI would have to decide whether the user wants to click on something on screen or on the touchpad. You'd constantly be accidentally clicking an item when you meant to move the cursor, etc. It would drive people nuts.

Yep.
 
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Perhaps, but I cannot recall a time when Apple actually reduced the prices on a Mac. They might offer better specs at the same price point, but no price drop. The only time I recall a price that was less than existing models was when a new machine was introduced, not merely the next iteration of an existing product. I'd love to be wrong but would not bet on it.
I guess you could also make that argument about Apple bringing back 'defunct' ports, but yes it's also possible they might choose not to do this, using their own modular graphics chip (Lifuka) and keeping the starting price at $2,399 like-for-like. The option will be there though, the SoC approach lets them simplify the computer massively.
 
If the M1 MBPs can deal with the heat from a large external display, I might be back in the laptop market. Burned up too many MBP logic boards in the past driving a 30" ACD … went to an iMac. :confused:
Does it make MBP to heat up more with the external display? I have purchased a new 4K 27 inch Eizo display and connected my 15” 2015 MBP to it. Things are working more or less OK, but I noticed that fans are running loud most of the time. I was planning to upgrade to a 14’ MBP with ARM chip when it comes out to use it with the Eizo monitor
 


Apple introduced a new M1 MacBook Pro in November of 2020, but the new model didn't include any design changes. That's going to change in 2021, with rumors suggesting Apple has a major MacBook Pro design refresh in the works.


The 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models that are coming in 2021 will feature the most significant design overhaul to the MacBook Pro line that we've seen since 2016, and the updated machines will also address complaints that users have had with the MacBook Pro for years by bringing back older features that include MagSafe, more ports, and physical function keys.

The rumors in this guide have been sourced from Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, both of whom often provide accurate insight into Apple's plans.

Design

Apple has both updated 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro models in the works. The 14-inch model will replace the current 13.3-inch model, while the 16-inch model will replace the existing 16-inch version that's available.

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For the revamped 14-inch model, it's likely that the overall casing size will remain similar to the 13-inch MacBook Pro, with the increase in display size coming largely from a reduction in the top and side bezels of the machine.

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The current 13-inch MacBook Pro

There may be a slight increase in physical size, however. When Apple transitioned from the 15.4-inch MacBook Pro to the 16.1-inch MacBook Pro, the physical sizing went from 13.75 x 9.48 inches to 14.09 x 9.68 inches, and we could see something similar with the 14-inch MacBook Pro.

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The 16-inch MacBook Pro

Both of the new models that are coming are expected to feature some notable design changes. Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes the new MacBook Pro models will feature a flat-edged design that's "similar to the iPhone 12," with no curved edges like current models.

Gurman has corroborated Kuo's report, but his information suggests that the flat-edged design may not be too much of a deviation from the current design. He says that the upgraded models will "look similar" to current models, but will feature "minor design changes," so we'll need to wait to see just how significant these changes to the overall design turn out to be.

The updated MacBook Pro models will use the same heat pipe design used by the current 16-inch MacBook Pro model. Apple revamped the thermal system of the 16-inch MacBook Pro, increasing the size of the heat pipe, adding thermal pads, and increasing the size of the heat sink by 35 percent.

This new thermal system will allow for increased computing power thanks to improved airflow and heat management, which bodes well for the performance of the Apple silicon chips that are expected to be included.

Ports

Even if the chassis updates are more minor in scale than Kuo has made them out to be, there are other tweaks in the works that will make the 2021 refresh a major update. Kuo believes Apple is going to add additional ports to the MacBook Pro models, though he has not specified which ports these might be.

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Apple in 2016 rolled out a new MacBook Pro design that did away with all ports except for USB-C ports and the 3.5mm headphone jack, but prior models from 2012 to 2015 included a MagSafe connector, Thunderbolt ports, USB-A ports, an HDMI port, an SD card reader, and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

With the 2021 machines, we could see the return of some of these long-discontinued ports. It's likely that most ports will continue to be USB-C as Apple has been transitioning to USB-C for years now, but there could be additions like an SD card slot or an HDMI port.

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Given Apple's emphasis on USB-C and the slim design of the MacBook Pro lineup, it's not likely we're going to see the return of USB-A, but Kuo has said that the new machines will have enough ports so most users "may not need to purchase additional dongles."

Gurman's report mentions the inclusion of USB-C ports, but it does not mention other types of I/O.

MagSafe

Along with additional ports, the new machines are expected to bring MagSafe back to the Mac lineup. MagSafe connectors were used for MacBook Pro models from 2006 to 2016, when Apple replaced the MagSafe connector with a USB-C port, but now it looks like we're returning to a MagSafe design.

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Both Kuo and Gurman expect the new MacBook Pro models to be equipped with MagSafe for charging purposes, with the MagSafe charging port to be distinct from the other included USB-C ports.

MagSafe in the new MacBook Pro models is expected to be similar to the MagSafe 2 connectors and ports used prior to 2016, which allowed for a quick-release magnetic connection that prevented damage to the computer and the cable when the cord was yanked.

The MagSafe charging functionality is expected to allow for faster charging speeds than are available with USB-C, and given that Apple is swapping over to a new charging technology, we can expect the forthcoming MacBook Pro models to ship with a MagSafe charging cable and accompanying power adapter.

No Touch Bar

Apple introduced a Touch Bar in the 2016 Macs, providing a small OLED display where physical function keys used to be located. Apple had grand plans for the Touch Bar and envisioned it being an adaptable mini-display that offered customizable controls and different functions on a per-app basis, but the Touch Bar never seemed to catch on with consumers.

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Kuo says that the Touch Bar will be removed in the 2021 MacBook Pro models and will be replaced with physical function keys. Gurman has confirmed that Apple has tested versions of the MacBook Pro that do not have a Touch Bar.

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Display

Gurman believes the new MacBook Pro models will feature display improvements in the form of "brighter, higher-contrast panels," and in past rumors, Kuo has suggested the updated machines will be the first Macs with mini-LED displays, marking a significant improvement in display quality.

Given that Kuo made no mention of mini-LED technology in his most recent report, it's possible that mini-LED functionality has been delayed until a later date.

If Apple does transition to mini-LED for the 2021 MacBook Pro models, the displays could use somewhere around 10,000 LEDs, each one under 200 microns in size. Mini-LED technology will allow for a thinner and lighter design, while offering many OLED-like benefits such as improved wide color gamut, high contrast and dynamic range, and truer blacks.

Processor

The entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro already has an M1 chip, and in 2021, all new MacBook Pro models will gain Apple silicon chips. Apple is not expected to release MacBook Pro models with Intel chips, phasing Intel chips out of the notebook line entirely.

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Apple is working on higher-end Apple silicon chips that have as many as 16 power cores and four efficiency cores, which would annihilate any Intel CPU in terms of performance. There's also new GPU technology in the works, with Apple designing 16 and 32-core GPU options, some of which could be used in the new MacBook Pro models.

Launch Date

The new MacBook Pro models are expected to launch in the third quarter of 2021.

Read More

We have more on the current MacBook Pro models and the upcoming redesigned MacBook Pro models in our dedicated 13-inch MacBook Pro and 16-inch MacBook Pro roundups.

Article Link: Upcoming 16-Inch and 14-Inch MacBook Pros: Everything We Know
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