14" M1 Max - 100C on Cinebench R23, within seconds. YT reviewers get 51C.

[elmalloc]

I'm running it again and I don't see the fans moving at all (TG Pro displays 2400 +/- even at 90+)
***Fans kicked in at around 95C and temps are 92-95C after

Yeah my fans also kick in right around then.

TG Pro was updated on 10/26 for our new chips. I'm guessing maxTech was using that too. It is a very recent update. I don't know if 1) our performance is acceptable and 2) why our temps are wildly different than MaxTech.

 

[elmalloc]

Can you force it to run at max all the time and then do the test?

Yes, we can, using TG Pro, but it seems like that's not MaxTEch's setup at all. Fairly certain we won't get anywhere near 53C with that even so, I will try tonight.

 

[JCHH]

Yes, we can, using TG Pro, but it seems like that's not MaxTEch's setup at all. Fairly certain we won't get anywhere near 53C with that even so, I will try tonight.

MaxTech was running the previous version of TG Pro, which did not support the M1 Pro/Max. You can see his temps are listed as "Power Manager Die" rather than "Cores".

 

[elmalloc]

I'm running it again and I don't see the fans moving at all (TG Pro displays 2400 +/- even at 90+)
***Fans kicked in at around 95C and temps are 92-95C after
****Fans stay at around 3500RPM... That's not even 50% while CPU is 95C. Either TG is messing up with fan control or apple made a rather ****** fan profile.

Another edit lol. After installing fan helper the fan kicks in nicely and temps drop to mid 80 while render is still going.

What is fan helper? I wonder if MaxTech is running something that he didn't tell us, but yeah if we up the fans it's going to cool down, but 53C with no fans running on multicore....false advertising lol.

 

[JCHH]

Adding on, TG Pro v2.61 added in temperature sensors for efficiency cores, performance cores, GPU, RAM, and "airflow left/right".

Prior to that release, TG Pro v2.60 only had basic sensors supported on the M1 Pro/Max that were similar to the M1's, only including "Power Manager Die", Battery, Trackpad, etc. That version did not include temperature sensors for the actual cores.

 

[elmalloc]

MaxTech was running the previous version of TG Pro, which did not support the M1 Pro/Max. You can see his temps are listed as "Power Manager Die" rather than "Cores".

That might explain it!

 

[Gnattu]

Yes, we can, using TG Pro, but it seems like that's not MaxTEch's setup at all. Fairly certain we won't get anywhere near 53C with that even so, I will try tonight.

Another owner updated his thread and he said that after using a fan helper he got mid 80 temperature which is much better. 53C is not possible, just don't believe that, even my M1(non-pro) runs hotter than that when compiling the Linux kernel.

 

[elmalloc]

I think we probably solved it, I could try to re-run test using the version of TG Pro that came out right before the one that supported our new chips. Want me to try?

 

[Gnattu]

I think we probably solved it, I could try to re-run test using the version of TG Pro that came out right before the one that supported our new chips. Want me to try?

To solve the problem for real, I think we should use some application like the fan helper mentioned to tune the fan curve for intensive workloads, if the temperature is annoying.

 

[Grohowiak]

Can you force it to run at max all the time and then do the test?

Stays in the 82-84C area with fans 100%

 

[Gnattu]

Stays in the 82-84C area with fans 100%

This is acceptable to me for a 14-in laptop with such performance.

 

[elmalloc]

Good question.
On regular workflow I'm in the 48-52C area which is ok for such tiny laptop.
Funny enough it doesn't feel very warm to the touch.

That's the thing, I'm also getting 50C on normal workload, and even during cinebench 97C, the trackpad is reporting ~30-40C (from TG Pro) and the keyboard didn't feel super hot to the touch (maybe not even warm). The fans are running audibly at 4400 RPM, but I'm now thinking this is probably acceptable performance.

I can try to ramp the fans earlier and get lower temps, this is probably expected. I think we need Gamers Nexus lol. I wonder what Apple thinks is acceptable if it's starting fans at 95C.

 

[Grohowiak]

I set the rules like this.
Will see how this behaves and will adjust gradually till it works like I want it to.

**changed 40% to 55C and seems much better.
All normal stuff (few safari tabs, trading window and Spotify) and I'm in the 50-53C

 

[JCHH]

If you want, you can adjust the fan curve in TG Pro by configuring it to use "Auto Boost" and setting a fan % speed at temperature thresholds.

I have the 10 core 14" M1 Pro and my temps are also at 45C-55C on normal workloads. Haven't ran any benchmarks yet to check with temperatures.

TG Pro doesn't take over your fans if you have it set to "System". Also TG Pro v2.60 will report inaccurate core temperatures due to it not seeing the proper temperature sensors in the M1 Pro/Max, but that doesn't affect the fan speeds as that's still controlled by your mac (if you kept it set as "System").

 

[elmalloc]

If you want, you can adjust the fan curve in TG Pro by configuring it to use "Auto Boost" and setting a fan % speed at temperature thresholds.

I have the 10 core 14" M1 Pro and my temps are also at 45C-55C on normal workloads. Haven't ran any benchmarks yet to check with temperatures.

TG Pro doesn't take over your fans if you have it set to "System". Also TG Pro v2.60 will report inaccurate core temperatures due to it not seeing the proper temperature sensors in the M1 Pro/Max, but that doesn't affect the fan speeds as that's still controlled by your mac (if you kept it set as "System").

Can you please:

• Run cinebench r23 multicore and see what your TG Pro (2.60) says.
• Update to 2.61 (10/26/2021, latest release) and run the same test and see what TG PRO 2.61 says? 2.61 supports our pro/max chips.

I'm in trial mode of TG Pro 2.61 and I only see 100% fan in auto max at CPU temp; it won't let me set a curve (like 3000 RPM at this cpu temp). I should read the instructions before using this app lol.

 

[JCHH]

Can you please:

• Run cinebench r23 multicore and see what your TG Pro (2.60) says.
• Update to 2.61 (10/26/2021, latest release) and run the same test and see what TG PRO 2.61 says?

I'm in trial mode of TG Pro 2.61 and I only see 100% fan in auto max at CPU temp; it won't let me set a curve (like 3000 RPM at this cpu temp). I should read the instructions before using this app lol.

You need to check "Use Auto Boost Instead of Auto Max" in order to change the fan percentages. Will run the benchmark and report back with temps.

 

[mr_roboto]

What temps were you getting on multi core?

I don’t think the laptop was getting loud, but tg pro showed it was getting hot.

Thanks!

You probably don't have a problem. For 10 years or more, Apple has been shipping thermal regulation systems which let silicon get close to its rated maximum operating temperature before ramping the fans up. (As you found out, it's a misconception that they're ever fully turned off - in virtually all Macs with fans, they're on all the time and only the speed changes.)

There's a bunch of engineering reasons to do this. One is that the greater the temperature difference between the heat source and heat sink (the ultimate heat sink here is room air), the more heat wants to flow from source to sink. That means Apple gets to turn the fans slower, making less noise and consuming less power turning the fans.

People install utilities like these and freak out when they see big numbers like 100C, but lots of chips are rated for 105C or even 125C. It's not a big deal as long as it's within manufacturer specs. Apple doesn't tell us what those specs are, but 105 is a common target for chip designers, so it's reasonable to guess that's what they use.

MaxTech was running the previous version of TG Pro, which did not support the M1 Pro/Max. You can see his temps are listed as "Power Manager Die" rather than "Cores".

Doesn't surprise me. That dude's a clown trying to clickbait his way into having a big youtube channel.

 

[elmalloc]

OK I'll try the "use auto boost" and see if I can mess with the speeds.

 

[Grohowiak]

Can you please:

• Run cinebench r23 multicore and see what your TG Pro (2.60) says.
• Update to 2.61 (10/26/2021, latest release) and run the same test and see what TG PRO 2.61 says? 2.61 supports our pro/max chips.

I'm in trial mode of TG Pro 2.61 and I only see 100% fan in auto max at CPU temp; it won't let me set a curve (like 3000 RPM at this cpu temp). I should read the instructions before using this app lol.

It's on sale for $10 now. I literally just purchased the full version. Nothing in comparison to what I just paid for the Mac lol
Well worth it if you ask me.

 

[elmalloc]

You probably don't have a problem. For 10 years or more, Apple has been shipping thermal regulation systems which let silicon get close to its rated maximum operating temperature before ramping the fans up. (As you found out, it's a misconception that they're ever fully turned off - in virtually all Macs with fans, they're on all the time and only the speed changes.)

There's a bunch of engineering reasons to do this. One is that the greater the temperature difference between the heat source and heat sink (the ultimate heat sink here is room air), the more heat wants to flow from source to sink. That means Apple gets to turn the fans slower, making less noise and consuming less power turning the fans.

People install utilities like these and freak out when they see big numbers like 100C, but lots of chips are rated for 105C or even 125C. It's not a big deal as long as it's within manufacturer specs. Apple doesn't tell us what those specs are, but 105 is a common target for chip designers, so it's reasonable to guess that's what they use.


Doesn't surprise me. That dude's a clown trying to clickbait his way into having a big youtube channel.

Makes sense! Yeah even though TG Pro is showing 0 RPM, if I put my ear to the vents, there's definitely a whir.

I was more freaked out by people saying this chip is "super cold" and their benchmarks are showing half the temps lol, but a lot of us here are seeing the other side lol. Thanks for the help!

 

[JimmyjamesEU]

Interesting. I'm guessing I got bitten by the bug in TG Pro too! I'll have to check the version tomorrow.

 

[elmalloc]

It's on sale for $10 now. I literally just purchased the full version. Nothing in comparison to what I just paid for the Mac lol
Well worth it if you ask me.

Yeah, I'm definitely picky about this purchase. $4000 is a ton of money lol. I really wanted 32GB/1TB but that config is not a store config, and I couldn't wait until mid-December lol. Things get looked at differently when more money is spent.

 

[Grohowiak]

Makes sense! Yeah even though TG Pro is showing 0 RPM, if I put my ear to the vents, there's definitely a whir.

I was more freaked out by people saying this chip is "super cold" and their benchmarks are showing half the temps lol, but a lot of us here are seeing the other side lol. Thanks for the help!

FYI when it was showing 0 RPM for me it did look like it is not working at all. They started to kick in after I adjusted the values.

 

[JCHH]

OK I'll try the "use auto boost" and see if I can mess with the speeds.

Got 98C highest on my short multi-core test (don't have much time right now to keep waiting).

I don't have the ability to downgrade to TG Pro v2.60, but I was running v2.60 prior to the 2.61 updates and I can assure you those temperatures were incorrect. These temperatures in v2.61 seem accurate to me, despite the heftier cooling system in this vs the M1 Macs, my M1 (mind you, 4 performance, 4 efficiency cores), also ran at 95C+ on heavy workloads.

With these chips having 8 performance cores, it doesn't surprise me that it runs just as hot, if not hotter even with a bigger cooling system.

 

[elmalloc]

Got 98C highest on my short multi-core test (don't have much time right now to keep waiting).

I don't have the ability to downgrade to TG Pro v2.60, but I was running v2.60 prior to the 2.61 updates and I can assure you those temperatures were incorrect. These temperatures in v2.61 seem accurate to me, despite the heftier cooling system in this vs the M1 Macs, my M1 (mind you, 4 performance, 4 efficiency cores), also ran at 95C+ on heavy workloads.

With these chips having 8 performance cores, it doesn't surprise me that it runs just as hot, if not hotter even with a bigger cooling system.

Thanks for the run!