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15.4 inch PowerBooks?

Originally posted by MOM
I agree that the TiBook is the odd man out, but maybe Apple is playing it smart by first refreshing Tibook before Xmas to get some extra sales and then they drop the unexpected Mac World introduction of two droolworthy models to snag all those customers who where always waiting for a G4 ibook (Al12) or are in the need for a beast like the Al17. By keeping the Ti15 back, Apple may be hoping to force some sales of the Al17. This may bring in more profit and/or they may, frankly, be worried that such a large PB may be lusted after and get lots of good press, but may not sell. This way they wait to see the sales figures before releasing the Al15. Ask yourself, if the Al15 was avaiable with all the goodies of the Al17, would you buy the Al17? I love the Al17, but its a portable desktop not a portable, if you know what I mean. Just some thoughts...
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It's really not that much larger than the 15.2" TiBook. Go to an apple store and check it out.

If you don't have an apple store convenient (like I dont) you can always tape 2 11x8.5 pieces of notebook paper together and cut it to the dimensions of the 17" then youll see (note: i'm embarrased to admit I did this). I'm driving to my "local" apple store this weekend to check it out, it's only a 3 hour drive (gotta love the midwest).
 
Originally posted by szark
I've seen comments from people who used the new ABooks at the Expo that the 12" was very hot but the 17" wasn't.
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That's odd!?! The 12" has a proc with a lower frequency. Unless they're using something new, say the 7457 and that's why they haven't shipped them.
 
Originally posted by jamilecrire


It's really not that much larger than the 15.2" TiBook. Go to an apple store and check it out.

If you don't have an apple store convenient (like I dont) you can always tape 2 11x8.5 pieces of notebook paper together and cut it to the dimensions of the 17" then youll see (note: i'm embarrased to admit I did this). I'm driving to my "local" apple store this weekend to check it out, it's only a 3 hour drive (gotta love the midwest).
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You did call to make sure they have one to show you, right?
 
Funture of apple

As a retail salesman in a large Canadian chain i have to say that more and more ppl are buying the larger screens then the smaller the trend to have a small laptop that litterly fits in your lap is long gone everyone that comes in wants a big screen with a fast CPU!.
It used to be 14" as the standard but now it's 15" with 16" pushing it's was into this postion so apples push to the 17" is the right idea and i expect it to get many sales over the comming months.

peaple dont want to have a basestation or cables to unplug everytime they leave work with there laptops.

Imagine picking up your blue tooth equipt laptop from your work station that has a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and a WiFi network then simply unpluging the power and walk away, you get home and before you even step in the house your laptop has all your new e-mail and your printer starts to warm up you sit down infront of you big tv to watch the hacky game and during breaks you work on that keynote you have for tomorow
 
Re: Funture of apple

Originally posted by markseaton
As a retail salesman in a large Canadian chain i have to say that more and more ppl are buying the larger screens then the smaller the trend to have a small laptop that litterly fits in your lap is long gone everyone that comes in wants a big screen with a fast CPU!.
It used to be 14" as the standard but now it's 15" with 16" pushing it's was into this postion so apples push to the 17" is the right idea and i expect it to get many sales over the comming months.

peaple dont want to have a basestation or cables to unplug everytime they leave work with there laptops.

Imagine picking up your blue tooth equipt laptop from your work station that has a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and a WiFi network then simply unpluging the power and walk away, you get home and before you even step in the house your laptop has all your new e-mail and your printer starts to warm up you sit down infront of you big tv to watch the hacky game and during breaks you work on that keynote you have for tomorow
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You make it sound soooooo..... goooooood.
 
Originally posted by jamilecrire
I'm driving to my "local" apple store this weekend to check it out, it's only a 3 hour drive (gotta love the midwest).
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I went to the Apple Store at Crossgates in Albany last Friday to see if they had them in and the salesman there said they probably wouldn't have them for two or three more weeks, so I would definitely call ahead before you make a long trip to the "local" store.

It makes some sense that the 12" would get hotter than the 17" because it has less area to dissipate heat over, even though it's running a little slower.
 
Originally posted by jamilecrire

I'm driving to my "local" apple store this weekend to check it out, it's only a 3 hour drive (gotta love the midwest).
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Which MidWest store are you going to?
 
Reason for 15.4" screen

Hi, I just thought I'd add that (courtesy AppleInsider's DHagan4755) the reason for the 15.4" screen is that Samsung is moving to that for its new 15" WXGA standard (it was published in article that they would be releasing 15.4 and 17-inch screens in late January). This puts both screens at exactly the same resolution rather than the strange resolution currently in the 15.2-inch model. (Thus, apple would have a streamlined display offering -- iMac LCD and PowerBook's LCD).

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/01/09&pages=01&seq=1

Just thought this might clear up some confusion.
 
Reason for 15.4" screen

Hi, I just thought I'd add that (courtesy AppleInsider's DHagan4755) the reason for the 15.4" screen is that Samsung is moving to that for its new 15" WXGA standard (it was published in article that they would be releasing 15.4 and 17-inch screens in late January). This puts both screens at exactly the same resolution rather than the strange resolution currently in the 15.2-inch model. (Thus, apple would have a streamlined display offering -- iMac LCD and PowerBook's LCD).

http://pcworld.shopping.yahoo.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,106577,00.asp

Just thought this might clear up some confusion.

(sorry, wrong link originally)
 
Re: Reason for 15.4" screen

Originally posted by fred_lj
Hi, I just thought I'd add that (courtesy AppleInsider's DHagan4755) the reason for the 15.4" screen is that Samsung is moving to that for its new 15" WXGA standard (it was published in article that they would be releasing 15.4 and 17-inch screens in late January). This puts both screens at exactly the same resolution rather than the strange resolution currently in the 15.2-inch model. (Thus, apple would have a streamlined display offering -- iMac LCD and PowerBook's LCD).

http://pcworld.shopping.yahoo.com/yahoo/article/0,aid,106577,00.asp

Just thought this might clear up some confusion.

(sorry, wrong link originally)
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I suppose you noticed, but they are also talking in the article about a prototype 15.4" TFT (for notebooks) displaying 1920*1200...

Oh dear...

NicoMan
 
oh no!!! there is an ant on my screen!!!!. oh sorry screen that is the mouse. oops :D

1920x1200. i dont run that on my 19"(18.1") CRT let alone a 15.4" laptop. i guess if you are using phtoshop or pro tools then you need that sort of resolution.

notice on the presentation of pro tools 6 that he had about half his windows minimized, on a 23" HD!!!!!!

pro tools uses so much screen space that you would need to be maing some cash to pay for the screens!!!!!
 
Yes, that would be bad...

Yeah, that doesn't seem like a wise move --- talk about eyestrain. I would be all for the somewhat lower resolution if Apple chooses the WXGA 15.4" screen (which I pray they do); I'd rather have the proper widescreen ratio than the hi-res looker.
 
Re: Yes, that would be bad...

Originally posted by fred_lj
Yeah, that doesn't seem like a wise move --- talk about eyestrain. I would be all for the somewhat lower resolution if Apple chooses the WXGA 15.4" screen (which I pray they do); I'd rather have the proper widescreen ratio than the hi-res looker.
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15.4" at 1280*800 sounds good to me. It means that Apple are standardizing the ratio 16*10 across their product line which is good...
1920*1200 on a 15.4"?? That seems ridiculous to me. What is the point?

NicoMan
 
The 15.4" panel in the new PowerBook will come off the 5th generation LCD production line. So, in addition to the added screen space and 16:10 ratio, we can also expect improved response time, contrast ratio, and brightness.
 
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1920*1200 on a 15.4"?? That seems ridiculous to me. What is the point?
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Well, it's been predicted for years that displays were moving to higher DPIs... but, until OS X, there was no operating system support for these higher DPIs... with Quartz, Apple can have the display rendered at a higher resolution, which makes things look much nicer on the display, and without making you have to squint at the screen.

128x128 icons were just the beginning...
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
1920*1200 on a 15.4"?? That seems ridiculous to me. What is the point?
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Just think... once we hit resolutions like 2880x1800, pictures displayed on LCDs will be comparable in quality to 35mm photographs.

Graphics engines are only a couple generations away from being able to render true photorealistic images. Once the display technology catches up, you can replace your living room window with an LCD of equivalent size and program it to display any type of background you want. To the human eye, it will appear entirely real.

By the time LCDs reach those resolutions though, graphics engines will have advanced to the point where they will be able to render photorealistic images at very high frame rates in real-time. THAT will be fun.
 
15.4 inch update

Seems to me the 15.4 inch PB will simply move the Ti15 to the new design, with the Al casing, and the iBook like hinge. The ports will probably move to the side, antenna will move to the screen, etc.
 
Originally posted by frozenstar


Just think... once we hit resolutions like 2880x1800, pictures displayed on LCDs will be comparable in quality to 35mm photographs.
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You know I've never pondered or foresaw this at all. This is would be very cool especially with 3d screens.
 
The reason the new 15" powerbooks didn't come out at the same time as the 17" book is because Apple didn't want to cannabalize the sales figure of the 17" books when they knew that if people saw a 15.4" PB beside a 17" PB, and saw the price difference, that most people would think that 15.4" was more than suitable for the work they were doing. So they released the 12" and 17" PB's to give them an opportunity to sell and get publicity before the 15.4" is released. This is what the majority of people want. Most of you want it, and you are all knowledgeable computer people, otherwise you wouldn't be sitting here wasting your lives away at a Mac message board, right? ;)

When people look at the 15.2" PB standing beside the NEW 12" and the NEW 17" PB's, they're not going to go and buy the 15" PB. Some people will, but I'm sure that Apple expected this. When the 15.4" PB comes out, not only will the 12" and 17" PB excitement and hoopla end, they will have had time to produce enough of the new and unreleased 15.4" PB's to fill demand. They probably have them in their storage right now, but not enough of them to fill demand. Again, they wanted to push their new models because once the 15.4" PB's come out, sales for the 17" will drop if not only for the price difference alone.
 
"New" appeal aside, why do you guys want a 15.4" PowerBook? Yes, the area is bigger, but it is rumored to have FEWER vertical pixels. You care about aspect ratio over total pixels???

Maybe some of you find Bluetooth (for which there is an optional adapter now) and FW800 (for which only LaCie, I believe is making drives, and which is mostly unnecessary since the bandwidth of FW400 is rarely saturated) to be impressive...but honestly, other than bragging rights, why would you want a "new" 15" PB over the current one?
 
Originally posted by john123
"New" appeal aside, why do you guys want a 15.4" PowerBook? Yes, the area is bigger, but it is rumored to have FEWER vertical pixels. You care about aspect ratio over total pixels???

Maybe some of you find Bluetooth (for which there is an optional adapter now) and FW800 (for which only LaCie, I believe is making drives, and which is mostly unnecessary since the bandwidth of FW400 is rarely saturated) to be impressive...but honestly, other than bragging rights, why would you want a "new" 15" PB over the current one?
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I can't speak for everyone, but my reasons for wanting it over the current model are as follows:

Faster memory bus
Greatly improved Wi-Fi reception
Anodized shell
Integrated bluetooth
 
Originally posted by frozenstar


Just think... once we hit resolutions like 2880x1800, pictures displayed on LCDs will be comparable in quality to 35mm photographs.

Graphics engines are only a couple generations away from being able to render true photorealistic images. Once the display technology catches up, you can replace your living room window with an LCD of equivalent size and program it to display any type of background you want. To the human eye, it will appear entirely real.

By the time LCDs reach those resolutions though, graphics engines will have advanced to the point where they will be able to render photorealistic images at very high frame rates in real-time. THAT will be fun.
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I agree that at that point in the future (when we get to n-th generation graphics engine capable of driving 2880*1800 in 50 fps frame rate in UT2007 or Doom5) well it will be brilliant. But for now what portable graphics subsystem are you going to use to drive 1920*1200 on your laptop (bearing in mind that Apple chose GeForce4Go 440 (wtf?) for their 17"...) with acceptable performance.

I'm also very much excited by the prospect of next-generation Macs using IBM 970s. But for now Apple desktops are lagging...
(oops... second time I get carried away today. But you guys get my point)

NicoMan
 
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