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Originally posted by john123
"New" appeal aside, why do you guys want a 15.4" PowerBook? Yes, the area is bigger, but it is rumored to have FEWER vertical pixels. You care about aspect ratio over total pixels???

Maybe some of you find Bluetooth (for which there is an optional adapter now) and FW800 (for which only LaCie, I believe is making drives, and which is mostly unnecessary since the bandwidth of FW400 is rarely saturated) to be impressive...but honestly, other than bragging rights, why would you want a "new" 15" PB over the current one?

The only thing thing I can think of is DDR Ram (even though it is not true DDR usage, you know that, I know that, but it looks good on paper) and Airport Extreme. Apart from that, just bragging about having a brand new AluBook 15". Other than that, I dunno. I agree with you on that pixel count stuff, but standardizing aspect ratio is vital for visual consistency (think video editing, think games...). We shall see.

NicoMan
 
Originally posted by NicoMan


The only thing thing I can think of is DDR Ram (even though it is not true DDR usage, you know that, I know that, but it looks good on paper) and Airport Extreme. Apart from that, just bragging about having a brand new AluBook 15". Other than that, I dunno. I agree with you on that pixel count stuff, but standardizing aspect ratio is vital for visual consistency (think video editing, think games...). We shall see.

NicoMan

I agree with what what you said, but for people who have an Ericsson or a Tungsten T or a (insert Bluetooth device here), it makes one less out of the PowerBook's two USB ports to fill, and for AirPort Extreme, it will mostly benefit people with cable internet or some T1+ connection. And in terms of screen real estate, I'd take a Widescreen TV over a traditional letterbox with 1-3 more inches anyday (but that's just my personal DVD viewing preference).:D ;)
 
Originally posted by john123
"New" appeal aside, why do you guys want a 15.4" PowerBook? Yes, the area is bigger, but it is rumored to have FEWER vertical pixels. You care about aspect ratio over total pixels???

Maybe some of you find Bluetooth (for which there is an optional adapter now) and FW800 (for which only LaCie, I believe is making drives, and which is mostly unnecessary since the bandwidth of FW400 is rarely saturated) to be impressive...but honestly, other than bragging rights, why would you want a "new" 15" PB over the current one?

My two choices as far as price goes are a 12 inch or a 15 inch. The reason why I'm waiting for the 15 inch to be updated instead of going for the 12 inch or getting the 15 inch now are:

ATA 100 (15 inch is ATA 66)
Gigabit Ethernet (12 inch is 10/100)
ADC (12 inch only has VGA)
FireWire 800 (if I'm gonna buy a new computer it might as well support the latest standards, you can still attach the original FireWire to it so why not?)
Airport Extreme (already have a Base Station on order not just for 802.11g, but the built in print server and external antenna)
 
Originally posted by MacKid


I agree with what what you said, but for people who have an Ericsson or a Tungsten T or a (insert Bluetooth device here), it makes one less out of the PowerBook's two USB ports to fill, and for AirPort Extreme, it will mostly benefit people with cable internet or some T1+ connection. And in terms of screen real estate, I'd take a Widescreen TV over a traditional letterbox with 1-3 more inches anyday (but that's just my personal DVD viewing preference).:D ;)
Agreed on Bluetooth (I didn't think of the USB port being freed by Bluetooth... good one), Airport Extreme and Widescreen Format. That being said, we were talking about the merits of the (rumoured) new PowerBook 15" compared to the old 15" (which is also wide format). I definitely prefer 16:10 over 4:3 too.

NicoMan
 
Price?

The 1GHz Superdrived Ti15 now is $2799 I believe. When they switch the 15" to Aluminium will the price get bumped even without upgrading the processor speed (which I don't think they'll be doing will since I expect the Al15 to come out too soon to up the processor speed)? The price increase would be a result of the bluetooth, AirX, and stuff, but I think the price will debut at $2999. What do y'all think?
 
Re: Price?

Originally posted by jokkka
The 1GHz Superdrived Ti15 now is $2799 I believe. When they switch the 15" to Aluminium will the price get bumped even without upgrading the processor speed (which I don't think they'll be doing will since I expect the Al15 to come out too soon to up the processor speed)? The price increase would be a result of the bluetooth, AirX, and stuff, but I think the price will debut at $2999. What do y'all think?

That feels too expensive. I don't think they will bump the price up. It would be too close to the 17". If anything I would expect the price to be slightly lower. Now THAT is wishful thinking.:D


NicoMan
 
Re: Re: Price?

Originally posted by NicoMan


That feels too expensive. I don't think they will bump the price up. It would be too close to the 17". If anything I would expect the price to be slightly lower. Now THAT is wishful thinking.:D


NicoMan

I think the price will either be the same or lower, because Apple's strategy for pricing is to upgrade and raise the technology, but not the prices.:D
 
This is incorrect.

The better summary of Apple's laptop pricing strategy over the past few years is one of cycles...new models tend to bump prices UP, while the subsequent revisions are often done concurrent with a DECREASE in price.

Check out the debut prices for the entire range of PowerBook G4s.

I'd suspect $2999 would be the price. And I wouldn't expect to see that laptop any time soon. There are a lot of us (me me me) who love the 15" the way it is for OS 9 booting. And few of you really want or need FW800 or BlueTooth -- you just want it for "being cool" purposes. (Don't flame me...I said "few," not "none")
 
Originally posted by john123
This is incorrect.

The better summary of Apple's laptop pricing strategy over the past few years is one of cycles...new models tend to bump prices UP, while the subsequent revisions are often done concurrent with a DECREASE in price.

Check out the debut prices for the entire range of PowerBook G4s.

I'd suspect $2999 would be the price. And I wouldn't expect to see that laptop any time soon. There are a lot of us (me me me) who love the 15" the way it is for OS 9 booting. And few of you really want or need FW800 or BlueTooth -- you just want it for "being cool" purposes. (Don't flame me...I said "few," not "none")

Your logic is flawed. You have failed to take into account the addition of a new top-end model in the PowerBook line-up. The new 17" model has an impact on pricing for the soon-to-be-released 15.4" model(s). So past pricing strategies don't necessarily apply here.

And it's not just about FW800 and Bluetooth. There are many more important upgrades on the 17" and 15.4" models - aluminum shell, faster front-side and memory bus, 16:10 aspect ratio display, 802.11g, improved RF reception, and ambient light sensors.

And by the way... Even if you personally don't expect the new 15.4" model(s) to arrive soon. All of the available information says otherwise.
 
17 inch versus - 15.4 inch

My take on big screen notebooks is why pay the premium when you can buy a really good external monitor almost for the price differencial.

I like having a very portable machine for travel and a big monitor to work on at my desk. I am deciding between a 12 inch plus a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor and maybe the 15 inch if they upgrade it.

The 17 inch is too high resolution for me to work on everyday, text would be too small and I'd have to increase the font size on applications.

I hate the ergonomics of working on notebooks. With an external keyboard and monitor I have great ergonomics for day to day use.

I guess the 17 inch is fantastic for people who have to work on site at different locations all the time or people i.e their office is really mobile and they want the comfort of a big screen - video professionals etc.

I think the 17 won't sell that well.

Macdiehard
 
Re: Re: Price?

Originally posted by NicoMan


That feels too expensive. I don't think they will bump the price up. It would be too close to the 17". If anything I would expect the price to be slightly lower. Now THAT is wishful thinking.:D


I tend to agree. Also you are right about bragging rights. At the end of the day you have to ask will the new technology make you more productive. If they upgrade the 15 inch then the current $2800 will drop a few hundred bucks - could be a very good buy.

I am getting my wife a PB 600 mhz for $1950 with free Ram upgrade, you can make smart purchases like this while others pay over the top to have the latest and greatest.
 
new PB screen resolution

Hi all,
about 3 years ago I switched to the dark side from an old blueberry ibook to an intel laptop (running Linux), although I sometimes I have to work on the macs at my school. The main reason for switching was screen real state so I got one with a nice 15.4" display at1280x1024 (mind you this is a 3 yr old laptop and it has more pixels that the brand new 17" PB, for god's sake). The ibook felt too cramped. I'm in the market for a new laptop and I was wondering what is the expected resolution for the upcoming 15 PB.

I've seen some posts that it could be1280x800 and that people is happy with that. I was wondering why Apple doesn't offer better resolution than that. And yes I have had plenty of opportunities to compare the current 15.2" TiBook with my old brick of a laptop under the same lighting conditions and I still would prefer mine. It is crisper and clearer.

I've seen here quite a few posts saying that nobody wants higher screen resolutions, that that is just plain stupid and I fail to understand the rationale behind that. Apple displays are stuck at 100ppi. Digital photographic work demands between 200ppi and 300ppi. For instance if you had one of the brand new NEC QXGA display (with near 200ppi) you could start doing the kind of work that you can only do in high end workstations now, and if you want to drive the display at a lower "aparent" resolution the OS could still show everything at XGA resolution but everything would be 4 times clearer and crisper. That's why we have truly scalable font types, isn't it? and scalable icons and such.

So to make a long story short. Why everybody wants to buy 600dpi printers instead of dot matrix ones but are happy with low resolution displays? It can't be just money. According to this
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,106577,00.asp
a 1600x1200 display costs $30-40 dollars more to manufacture compared to a 1280x1024 one.

If Apple doesn't do something about, my money would go to the dark side again. My only gripe is that it seems NEC is not selling those laptops in the US market yet, so I will have to wait for Sony or IBM to offer them here.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by frozenstar


Your logic is flawed. You have failed to take into account the addition of a new top-end model in the PowerBook line-up. The new 17" model has an impact on pricing for the soon-to-be-released 15.4" model(s). So past pricing strategies don't necessarily apply here.

And it's not just about FW800 and Bluetooth. There are many more important upgrades on the 17" and 15.4" models - aluminum shell, faster front-side and memory bus, 16:10 aspect ratio display, 802.11g, improved RF reception, and ambient light sensors.

And by the way... Even if you personally don't expect the new 15.4" model(s) to arrive soon. All of the available information says otherwise.

My logic is hardly flawed. Haha! I did take it into account. It's just another product introduction of a new high-end model. That the screen size was one of the feature bumps with this one hardly invalidates the clearly cyclic pattern.

Perhaps my argument was too advanced for you to comprehend...

In any event, speaking of logic, you're assuming lots of things about the "rumored" 15.4" PB -- that it will get a faster bus and all the features of the 17" PB to be specific. Big, big assumptions based on rumors.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of the "features" you are touting don't matter much. It is widely known that the current line of G4s does not take advantage of DDR-RAM's capabilities...in technology, implementation is everything.

The real advantage in terms of performance of the new 17" PowerBooks is the faster frontside bus, but that's mittigated by the use of the NVIDIA GeForce 440, which is an inferior graphics card to the ATI Radeon 9000.

There is really a paucity of information on new models to come -- as always. You need to learn the difference between "fact-based news" and "rumors" before you go off trying to insult someone.

Noobs....
 
Originally posted by john123


My logic is hardly flawed. Haha! I did take it into account. It's just another product introduction of a new high-end model. That the screen size was one of the feature bumps with this one hardly invalidates the clearly cyclic pattern.

Perhaps my argument was too advanced for you to comprehend...

In any event, speaking of logic, you're assuming lots of things about the "rumored" 15.4" PB -- that it will get a faster bus and all the features of the 17" PB to be specific. Big, big assumptions based on rumors.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of the "features" you are touting don't matter much. It is widely known that the current line of G4s does not take advantage of DDR-RAM's capabilities...in technology, implementation is everything.

The real advantage in terms of performance of the new 17" PowerBooks is the faster frontside bus, but that's mittigated by the use of the NVIDIA GeForce 440, which is an inferior graphics card to the ATI Radeon 9000.

There is really a paucity of information on new models to come -- as always. You need to learn the difference between "fact-based news" and "rumors" before you go off trying to insult someone.

Noobs....


You claim to have taken a specific bit of information into account, yet your analysis and prediction of the PowerBook line-up failed to mention it at all.

You are correct in that I mistakenly implied that a particular rumor is indeed a fact. However, there is so much information from so many different sources regarding the release of a 15.4" PowerBook that, in my opinion, it can be safely assumed that it will be released, and that the release date will be within the next 60 days. With all of the available information on hand, it is difficult for me to understand how you don't agree.

A lot of features I mentioned don't matter much? Of all of the features I mentioned, you were only able to comment negatively on one. And it just so happens that early benchmark results of the 17" PowerBook show that the added bandwidth of the DDR memory has a significant impact on performance.

Regarding the use of insults... I made no attempt to insult you. I simply stated my opinions, which happened to be in opposition to yours.
It appears that you are the one who has departed from strict argumentation and reverted to the use of baseless insults such as "Perhaps my argument was too advanced for you to comprehend..." and "Noobs....".

I did no such thing.
 
Originally posted by frozenstar



You claim to have taken a specific bit of information into account, yet your analysis and prediction of the PowerBook line-up failed to mention it at all.

You are correct in that I mistakenly implied that a particular rumor is indeed a fact. However, there is so much information from so many different sources regarding the release of a 15.4" PowerBook that, in my opinion, it can be safely assumed that it will be released, and that the release date will be within the next 60 days. With all of the available information on hand, it is difficult for me to understand how you don't agree.

A lot of features I mentioned don't matter much? Of all of the features I mentioned, you were only able to comment negatively on one. And it just so happens that early benchmark results of the 17" PowerBook show that the added bandwidth of the DDR memory has a significant impact on performance.

Regarding the use of insults... I made no attempt to insult you. I simply stated my opinions, which happened to be in opposition to yours.
It appears that you are the one who has departed from strict argumentation and reverted to the use of baseless insults such as "Perhaps my argument was too advanced for you to comprehend..." and "Noobs....".

I did no such thing.

Okay, look kid. Let me explain it all to you in terms that (hopefully) you can comprehend:

(1) If you want to allege that multiple sources are verifying the existence of a 15.4" screen, back it up. What are they and, more specifically, what evidence do you have that those multiple sources (and I don't mean multiple message boards) did not all stem from a single piece of information?

(2) Okay, you want me to knock on all the features you mentioned? Cool. My personal pleasure.
* DDR-RAM -- you cited early benchmarks. Haha. What benchmarks -- Xbench? If you know anything about Xbench, you know that it is not only a poor proxy for real-world performance but also is EXTREMELY sensitive to the version of Xbench used. From 1.0b3 to 1.0b7, I've experienced oodles of variation in the scores on my TiGhz PB. There's been lots of discussion about the accuracy of preliminary tests, and time will tell which of us is right. It is a well-known fact, however, that the implementation of DDR-RAM in the current line of G4s is far from optimal.
* FireWire800 -- great, the bandwidth of FireWire400 is rarely saturated with its existing devices. Big whoop.
* Bluetooth -- some folks will care about it. I don't have an T68i phone or whatever it is, and if I did, I could buy an optional adapter.
* Airport Extreme -- by far the best upgrade to the PowerBooks. Unfortunately, for those of us using Airport in the home, it will only help with reception as the movement to 802.11g and its "five times faster" speed won't help one iota for those of us on a fractional T1 or slower.
* Aluminum -- time will tell whether it's better or worse than titanium in terms of stress. Hardly a feature until its proven to be superior.
* Aspect ratio -- great, I will lose 54 vertical pixels for the sake of aspect ratio. That's a downgrade in my book.
* Light -- wow, I can get a lava lamp for 50 bucks. Far cooler.

You also IGNORED that the NVIDIA card is inferior to the ATI card.

In any event, it was the WAY in which you stated your opinions that irked me. They were accusatory, and I fired back.

You deserved it.
 
Originally posted by john123


Okay, look kid. Let me explain it all to you in terms that (hopefully) you can comprehend:

(1) If you want to allege that multiple sources are verifying the existence of a 15.4" screen, back it up. What are they and, more specifically, what evidence do you have that those multiple sources (and I don't mean multiple message boards) did not all stem from a single piece of information?

(2) Okay, you want me to knock on all the features you mentioned? Cool. My personal pleasure.
* DDR-RAM -- you cited early benchmarks. Haha. What benchmarks -- Xbench? If you know anything about Xbench, you know that it is not only a poor proxy for real-world performance but also is EXTREMELY sensitive to the version of Xbench used. From 1.0b3 to 1.0b7, I've experienced oodles of variation in the scores on my TiGhz PB. There's been lots of discussion about the accuracy of preliminary tests, and time will tell which of us is right. It is a well-known fact, however, that the implementation of DDR-RAM in the current line of G4s is far from optimal.
* FireWire800 -- great, the bandwidth of FireWire400 is rarely saturated with its existing devices. Big whoop.
* Bluetooth -- some folks will care about it. I don't have an T68i phone or whatever it is, and if I did, I could buy an optional adapter.
* Airport Extreme -- by far the best upgrade to the PowerBooks. Unfortunately, for those of us using Airport in the home, it will only help with reception as the movement to 802.11g and its "five times faster" speed won't help one iota for those of us on a fractional T1 or slower.
* Aluminum -- time will tell whether it's better or worse than titanium in terms of stress. Hardly a feature until its proven to be superior.
* Aspect ratio -- great, I will lose 54 vertical pixels for the sake of aspect ratio. That's a downgrade in my book.
* Light -- wow, I can get a lava lamp for 50 bucks. Far cooler.

You also IGNORED that the NVIDIA card is inferior to the ATI card.

In any event, it was the WAY in which you stated your opinions that irked me. They were accusatory, and I fired back.

You deserved it.

There you go again, reverting to the use of petty insults. And you call me a kid...

I didn't ignore anything. I simply never raised the issue of graphics superiority in the new PowerBooks. I don't disagree with you regarding it.

As for the rest, everything you've stated is a matter of opinion. None of it applies to everyone, so I'm not even going to bother arguing those points with you.

Enough is enough. Stop being so defensive, and consider treating people with some respect.
 
Originally posted by john123


* DDR-RAM -- you cited early benchmarks. Haha. What benchmarks -- Xbench? If you know anything about Xbench, you know that it is not only a poor proxy for real-world performance but also is EXTREMELY sensitive to the version of Xbench used. From 1.0b3 to 1.0b7, I've experienced oodles of variation in the scores on my TiGhz PB. There's been lots of discussion about the accuracy of preliminary tests, and time will tell which of us is right. It is a well-known fact, however, that the implementation of DDR-RAM in the current line of G4s is far from optimal.
* FireWire800 -- great, the bandwidth of FireWire400 is rarely saturated with its existing devices. Big whoop.
* Bluetooth -- some folks will care about it. I don't have an T68i phone or whatever it is, and if I did, I could buy an optional adapter.
* Airport Extreme -- by far the best upgrade to the PowerBooks. Unfortunately, for those of us using Airport in the home, it will only help with reception as the movement to 802.11g and its "five times faster" speed won't help one iota for those of us on a fractional T1 or slower.
* Aluminum -- time will tell whether it's better or worse than titanium in terms of stress. Hardly a feature until its proven to be superior.
* Aspect ratio -- great, I will lose 54 vertical pixels for the sake of aspect ratio. That's a downgrade in my book.
* Light -- wow, I can get a lava lamp for 50 bucks. Far cooler.

You also IGNORED that the NVIDIA card is inferior to the ATI card.

In any event, it was the WAY in which you stated your opinions that irked me. They were accusatory, and I fired back.

You deserved it.

DDR - doesn't seem to be of much use in the PowerMac so far.

FW800 - I agree.

BT - Exactly. Thank you for stating the obvious.

AE - Only useful for in my subnet transfers. I can't max out my 802.11b connection on my cable modem that is much faster than a T1.

Aluminum - Biggest thing to me is no paint to chip. Structurally speaking, it is like the skin of a human; just keeping things in place.

Aspect - Loss of pixels does irritate me as well. I need the vertical space... it is how I prefer.

Keyboard - Indeed a waste of time/resources/money.

nVidia vs. ATi is a old debate. I have had better luck with nVidia myself...

IMO, the updated Al-Books are only notable due to size and lack of paint. *sigh*
 
Originally posted by yzedf


DDR - doesn't seem to be of much use in the PowerMac so far.

FW800 - I agree.

BT - Exactly. Thank you for stating the obvious.

AE - Only useful for in my subnet transfers. I can't max out my 802.11b connection on my cable modem that is much faster than a T1.

Aluminum - Biggest thing to me is no paint to chip. Structurally speaking, it is like the skin of a human; just keeping things in place.

Aspect - Loss of pixels does irritate me as well. I need the vertical space... it is how I prefer.

Keyboard - Indeed a waste of time/resources/money.

nVidia vs. ATi is a old debate. I have had better luck with nVidia myself...

IMO, the updated Al-Books are only notable due to size and lack of paint. *sigh*

I wasn't going to continue this, but since someone else posted their opinions, I'll respond.

FW800 - Agreed.

Bluetooth - Integrated bluetooth is very important to me. Bluetooth adapters are a huge nuisance. They add size to the laptop, and they need to be inserted everytime you want to use them. Anyone that uses bluetooth frequently will agree.

802.11g - My internet connection tops out at 6mbps. At my current distance from the access point, I can get no better than 3mbps. Enough said.

Aluminum - Don't forget, this is airplane-grade, anodized aluminum alloy. Very different from ordinary aluminum. No more paint chipping, and you may even find that it is stronger than the titanium shells.

Aspect ratio - Considering that 1280x800 will be the new widescreen standard for 15" LCDs, I'll take it over the non-standard 1280x854 in the current PowerBooks.

Keyboard - The backlit keyboard is nothing to write home about, but it's certainly a welcome feature.
 
Okay, so let's balance this out.

We have new PowerBooks that we seem to agree are more convenient (albeit not more capable) due to built-in BlueTooth, POSSIBLY more durable and LIKELY better from a cosmetic perspective due to aluminum, and COOLER due to a keyboard that lights up (I remember using glowsticks at concerts when I was a teenybopper...I guess this is the modern-day equivalent for grown-ups).

And on the other hand, we have some PowerBooks that will boot in OS 9 (yay for compatibility!), are battle-tested now being in their 4th generation, and have a clearly superior piece of graphic HARDWARE (this puts the drivers issue to the side for now).

So it seems to me we're talking about -- and let's EVERYONE try to be honest -- two different audiences. I think that's why Apple kept the 15" the way it was in the first place -- not due to a glut in inventory, but that the 1Ghz Ti will offer to Mac users the laptop analog of the 1.25 dual G4s that will remain in existence until summer of this year.

I bought mine, and despite my occasional desire to sell mine to get a bit higher screen real estate, reason prevails over me. I'll wait until we are talking about an upgrade in both resolution and graphics chip, as well as a bumped up processor on a .13 micron board.

My 2 cents...

And to frozenstar...sorry for letting it get personal. However, what kind of connection do you have where you get consistent bandwidth of over a megabye per second? That's what 11 mbps translates to in MB...we have a half T1 at my office and I never get even close to that kind of throughput (and I set up the network!).
 
Originally posted by john123
Okay, so let's balance this out.

We have new PowerBooks that we seem to agree are more convenient (albeit not more capable) due to built-in BlueTooth, POSSIBLY more durable and LIKELY better from a cosmetic perspective due to aluminum, and COOLER due to a keyboard that lights up (I remember using glowsticks at concerts when I was a teenybopper...I guess this is the modern-day equivalent for grown-ups).

And on the other hand, we have some PowerBooks that will boot in OS 9 (yay for compatibility!), are battle-tested now being in their 4th generation, and have a clearly superior piece of graphic HARDWARE (this puts the drivers issue to the side for now).

So it seems to me we're talking about -- and let's EVERYONE try to be honest -- two different audiences. I think that's why Apple kept the 15" the way it was in the first place -- not due to a glut in inventory, but that the 1Ghz Ti will offer to Mac users the laptop analog of the 1.25 dual G4s that will remain in existence until summer of this year.

I bought mine, and despite my occasional desire to sell mine to get a bit higher screen real estate, reason prevails over me. I'll wait until we are talking about an upgrade in both resolution and graphics chip, as well as a bumped up processor on a .13 micron board.

My 2 cents...

And to frozenstar...sorry for letting it get personal. However, what kind of connection do you have where you get consistent bandwidth of over a megabye per second? That's what 11 mbps translates to in MB...we have a half T1 at my office and I never get even close to that kind of throughput (and I set up the network!).

I'm in complete agreement.

I'd just like to add that the LCDs in the new 15.4" PowerBooks will be of considerably higher quality than the current ones. The new LCDs come off the 5th generation production line, so you can expect much better contrast ratio, brightness, and response time.

As for my internet connection... It tops out at 6 megabits per second, not megabytes. I said that at my current distance from my access point, my throughput never goes over 3 megabits. An 802.11g access point and adapter would let me saturate the pipe. That extra 3 megabits is precious to me!

And one more thing... I apologize for letting this argument spiral out of control.
Technology (especially Apple's) makes me crazy!
 
802.11b supports up to 11 megabits per second. That's a little over a megabyte per second.

So 802.11b should take care of you now....what's the problem?

** For users confused up to this point, there are 8 bits in a byte...



Oh, and as for LCDs...improvement is good, but to be honest, I have not noticed much of a jump in my three generations of PowerBook G4s...other than the resolution jump from my 550 to my 667, I can't say I've seen much change (after controlling for the natural degradation of the backlamp that occurs over time).
 
Originally posted by john123
802.11b supports up to 11 megabits per second. That's a little over a megabyte per second.

So 802.11b should take care of you now....what's the problem?

** For users confused up to this point, there are 8 bits in a byte...

It supports 11mbps in theory. In reality, even under optimal conditions, you can't exceed 8mbps.

I'm about 30 meters from my access point, separated by three walls. I'm also using 128-bit WEP encryption. Because of these conditions, I am never able to exceed 3mbps. If I had an 802.11g access point and client adapter, I'd easily be able to saturate my 6mbps internet connection.
 
i was worried. the rate you guys were going we were going to see world war three.

GWBush: WE have confirmed reports it was a buch or Mac users that started WWIII. Yes Ms. Whoever, they were indeed discussing wireless internet and apple's porduct line. we can only all hope china doesnt get involved.

please note i mean no offence to anyone in this. it is a sarcastic comment meant for fun.

really. i like the books but, if you dont need the features, why pay for them. lets leave it at that. and all of you, take some chill pills.

shees, :rolleyes:
 
err.. I look forward to an updated 15"

Standardized aspect ratio ? definite PLUS
- I play games on my Ti800.. however because of the 1280x854 ratio.. I can only go up to 1024x768 in Return To Castlewolfenstein.. and it supports 1280x800 . :(

auto backlit keyboard!! YEAH!!
- I like to uses my laptop on my lap...ahem.. sometimes in a darkened living room while watching movies or just T.V.

- I would also appreciate it for taking notes in my Art History classes when they Prof. turns out the lights to show slides :D

ATA 100 HD support!!! Woot!! and Onboard Bluetooth!!
- Better HD responsiveness while editing home movies and other large file operations.
- I would love to be able to use a bluetooth enabled phone to dial into my home network and check mail, server stats..etc. while away from home or hanging out by the river during nice weather.

*** I HOPE THEY STICK WITH THE RADEON THOUGH!***
Like maybe Radeon 9700 Pro Mobile :)

FW800 ??

- actually.. I'd rather have it now then have to add it later when I get some new peripherals.
I'm a big time FW HD junky...

Ok.. that's my .02 cents.
 
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