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Again, I don't know why you'd defend a company offering objectively worse value at a higher price. They're laughing all the way to the bank. We're the losers in this situation. You and I are on the same side in this situation -- we are the consumers.

I'd be delighted if I got to purchase a MacBook for $1,200 that today would cost $1,600 today (16GB/512GB). Wouldn't you?
You do realize value is subjective. People buy what they find valuable. If you don’t see value, don’t buy it. Heck why stop at 1200, I want my M1 Max at 799.
 
I present to you the laptop that I'm typing from right now: link. MORE pixels than even the MacBook, OLED panel, 400-600 nits (finding conflicting numbers), 90Hz (short of 120, I give you that). Retails for $750 USD.

Fair enough. But slightly less nits (Got to use the number from the site you listed, for that price), lower battery life, noisy fan... and we were discussing promotion (120hz) which you concede this is NOT, and.. the price is NOT 'far' lower but actually equivalent to the MBA1 which the Asus is more similar too.


anyway, I grant you the Asus is a fine machine. I own one in fact.
 
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I present to you the laptop that I'm typing from right now: link. MORE pixels than even the MacBook, OLED panel, 400-600 nits (finding conflicting numbers), 90Hz (short of 120, I give you that). Retails for $750 USD.
according to the verge’s review, that laptop has “Terrible battery life for an ultraportable”, a “mediocre” webcam, and sound thats “not that great.
Also from the review, the computer came filled with bloatware, the reviewer only got around five hours of screen on time and directly mentioned that Apple’s entire line of M1 computers beat it, said it had a limit of only 395N brightness peak, which is lower than either the MacBook Air or the MacBook Pro.
Also, there’s plenty of mention across the Internet that this laptop has absolutely horrible PWM.
When I said earlier that no one cares about your 16tb OLED 250hz mega ultra whatever, its reviews like this that are the reason why people will buy Apple for more:
“My final note is on bloatware. This device shipped with a big load of annoying software preinstalled, including several McAfee programs that insisted on scanning everything I downloaded before I could open it, and that required me to close all my Chrome tabs and restart the computer in order to be uninstalled. This stuff shouldn’t be on a laptop that costs $1,400 — it just shouldn’t.”
Yeah, I think I’ll pass thanks.
 
Then you probably won’t be buying.
Seriously, who on earth is expecting this thing to have pro motion?
It’s literally in the name.
*pro* motion.
iPhone pro, MacBook Pro, iPad Pro.

I don't expect this to have pro motion, but you can't really scoff at the idea of 120hz displays in the non-pro laptops in 2023. As the years roll on, we can expect things from the pro devices to trickle down, and now much longer can Apple keep 120hz as a pro only feature?
 
Fair enough. But slightly less nits (Got to use the number from the site you listed, for that price), lower battery life, noisy fan... and we were discussing promotion (120hz) which you concede this is NOT, and.. the price is NOT 'far' lower but actually equivalent to the MBA1 which the Asus is more similar too.


anyway, I grant you the Asus is a fine machine. I own one in fact.
Ah. My intent was to compare the machine to the M2 MBA at $1200. I didn't consider the still-on-sale M1 MBA, which is cheaper.

Listen, I think the MacBooks are fine machines. Truth be told I might own one again one day, even though I currently have moved away. I just believe on calling Apple out for their shenanigans when I see them. :)
 
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Even assuming one can just turn it off/not use it and the UI isn’t changed, Touch hardware isn’t free nor massless. It will increase thickness and weight and cost. If you look at touch laptops, the displays are noticeably thicker/top heavier than their non-touch counterparts. And one would be paying for something they aren’t using. So if touch is added to the product, it will affect all of the product’s users.
Right, crazy heavy and expensive. Like an iPad... What are they thinking?!? 🤣
 
Late did I realize that I should upgrade per use case or after final Security Update is released.

My use case has not changed since 2015. So the Macs since 2011/2012 were adequate. Just put SSDs to get ~500MB/s throughput.

Intel computers from 2014-2020 stagnated at 14nm. So it wasnt worth buying anything more than once within those years.
I have used my older MacBook Pro as family computer/media/file server. My 2014 is officially obsolete, I just replaced it with 256GB m2 Air.
I had iPhone 7 Plus till last year. Used the battery replacement program twice. My 13 PM is paid, will probably last another 3-4 years. I find it funny when some one says 13 PM isn’t worth upgrading. There is no comparison between 7plus and 13 PM.
 
according to the verge’s review, that laptop has “Terrible battery life for an ultraportable”, a “mediocre” webcam, and sound thats “not that great.
Also from the review, the computer came filled with bloatware, the reviewer only got around five hours of screen on time and directly mentioned that Apple’s entire line of M1 computers beat it, said it had a limit of only 395N brightness peak, which is lower than either the MacBook Air or the MacBook Pro.
Also, there’s plenty of mention across the Internet that this laptop has absolutely horrible PWM.
When I said earlier that no one cares about your 16tb OLED 250hz mega ultra whatever, its reviews like this that are the reason why people will buy Apple for more:
“My final note is on bloatware. This device shipped with a big load of annoying software preinstalled, including several McAfee programs that insisted on scanning everything I downloaded before I could open it, and that required me to close all my Chrome tabs and restart the computer in order to be uninstalled. This stuff shouldn’t be on a laptop that costs $1,400 — it just shouldn’t.”
Yeah, I think I’ll pass thanks.
You buy whatever computer you want. It's not my place to tell you what computer you need because our needs are different. I just believe in calling out Apple where they deserve it.

One note, though: the computer I own retails for $750. The one in the review you linked must be a different model.
 
Just to set everyones expectations

This will have:

-M2
-60hz screen with a notch
-Base 256gb/8gb config
-Start several $$$ more than current base M2 Air
-Come in the same set of colors

I expect no surprises here -- it will be a 13" M2 Air in all ways .. except for a larger screen.
 
Again, I don't know why you'd defend a company offering objectively worse value at a higher price. They're laughing all the way to the bank. We're the losers in this situation. You and I are on the same side in this situation -- we are the consumers.

I'd be delighted if I got to purchase a MacBook for $1,200 that today would cost $1,600 today (16GB/512GB). Wouldn't you?
You can, that same $1199 MacBook Air that’s 8/256 I just saw for over $200 off.
Bam!
Even better, the M1 Air can be found brand new, 8/256 for $799.
Also, what is “better value?”
Because to me, there’s a lot more that equals value than just ram and storage.
Can I get a computer with equal battery life to the MacBook Air for cheaper than the MacBook Air? No.
Can I get a computer as speedy yet quiet? No.
Can I get one that’s just as speedy, just as efficient, and that runs macOS? No.
A Windows laptop with buckets of RAM and storage is absolutely not the same value to me as even the cheapest Mac you can purchase.
So no, Apple is not giving me less value for more.
 
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MBA should come in 13.6” and 15.6” display sizes.

MBP should come in at 14.6” and 16.6” display sizes which should round up the sizes with a 1” difference overlap 13.6”, 14.6”, 15.6”, 16.6” while the Touchbar MBP should be discontinued.

At present the display size difference is just too close with some of these rumoured pipeline products.
Shoot! In 2024, I want Apple to release a 17" Macbook Pro. Solid!
 
Just to set everyones expectations

This will have:

-M2
-60hz screen with a notch
-Base 256gb/8gb config
-Start several $$$ more than current base M2 Air
-Come in the same set of colors

I expect no surprises here -- it will be a 13" M2 Air in all ways .. except for a larger screen.

Could not agree more (for a change lol). What is the difference between the MBP 16" line and the MBP 14" line? 2 inches. The screen size (and the bigger battery that comes with that). That's really about it.

Anyone expecting/hoping a MBA 15" to have radically different technology from the MBA 13" are setting themselves up for disappointment. It's just going to have a bigger screen.

No M3. No Promotion. No Fan. Not this one.
 
You buy whatever computer you want. It's not my place to tell you what computer you need because our needs are different. I just believe in calling out Apple where they deserve it.

One note, though: the computer I own retails for $750. The one in the review you linked must be a different model.
Well yes, but even then.
$750 and you get that.
$799 and you get the MacBook Air with over triple that five hour battery life, no pwm (yet), no extra third-party bloat, no fan, one of the most efficient chips on the market, macOS and at least 5 years of feature updates (probably closer to seven years) in an additional two years of security updates, (probably closer to nine).
That’s better value to me, it just is.
It would still be better value even if it was 6GB of ram and a 128GB SSD.
I still think the iPhone is better value than the latest Samsung phones, and the latest iPhone only has 6 GB of RAM and a 48MP camera while the latest android phones have what, are they up to 16 GB of RAM now? And a 200+ MP camera?
Specs mean nothing without a good experience.
 
please include:
-support for multiple monitors
-m3

in that order of priority. (color don't matter) don't gimp the new flagship model!
 
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While I am looking forward to this, anyone concerned that a 15.5" may be slightly too big - I was expecting closer to 15". For this to be worth it, it needs to be meaningfully lighter than the 16" Macbook Pro - and hopefully not heavier than the 14" MacBook Pro.
 
While I am looking forward to this, anyone concerned that a 15.5" may be slightly too big - I was expecting closer to 15". For this to be worth it, it needs to be meaningfully lighter than the 16" Macbook Pro - and hopefully not heavier than the 14" MacBook Pro.
Well it’ll actually probably be closer to 15.2 or 15.3 if you don’t count the notch/Menu Bar area.
The MBP screens are actually 14.2 and 16.2 with the notch.
 
Remind me - which are the bad and good configs of the new-gen (M2) Air? It was that the base model out of two models (256Gb) had storage split across two chips, making it slower and calling on swap memory, right?

So, this is likely to carry over to the 15-inch, you reckon?
 
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