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15-Inch MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Has Non-Removable SSD

gavroche said:
Well, that's a separate argument. I'm only discussing this article and comments... about the non-upgradeability (and not wanting a dongle because you need more storage). If you are talking about connectivity, well, that's something else...
And hey, don't leave out Bernie Sanders. If anyone is eating children, he is too.
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Forgot about Bernie lol!!!
My original post was about the totality of this computer. If we were talking about one issue, I would be fine with it. No computer is ever going to be complete and 100% satisfying. But here we have to compromise a bit too much; even connecting my iPhone to this MBP requires a dongle and/or a separate cable (and given the last OTA updates...). It's the sum of things (keyboard included), on top of the price ($1500+tax minimum without bar, $1800+tax minimum with bar), that is outrageous. This is a Macbook, at most.
 
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tubeexperience said:
Well, most of us don't get to buy new MBPs every 2-3 years.

We also don't get to throwaway one after it broke and get a new one.
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If you throw away your MB if its not working, instead of walking into an Apple store (or any other repair facility) and paying them several hundred dollars to repair/replace the defective component.. well.... i probably wouldn't want you making business decisions for my company :)
 
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carambo said:
Since 2011 when I purchased my 15' MBP that I still use and consider as a fantastic pro computer, I have upgraded 2 times the HD and 2 times the SSD (which replace the DVD), getting bigger space and better performance each time. So this is a big disappointment, a pro machine should be open, IMHO...will wait for upgrade
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13" 2011 for me. Within a week of buying, I put in a 120 gig SSD ($200 at the time) and 16 gig of ram ($70). in 2013 I upgraded the SSD to 256 gig (for $200). In 2015, I upgraded it to 512 gig (for another $200). I guess I'll still be using the machine whenever I can upgrade it to 1TB for another $200.
 
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yaxomoxay said:
Forgot about Bernie lol!!!
My original post was about the totality of this computer. If we were talking about one issue, I would be fine with it. No computer is ever going to be complete and 100% satisfying. But here we have to compromise a bit too much; even connecting my iPhone to this MBP requires a dongle and/or a separate cable (and given the last OTA updates...). It's the sum of things (keyboard included), on top of the price ($1500+tax minimum without bar, $1800+tax minimum with bar), that is outrageous. This is a Macbook, at most.
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In all honesty, i was pretty underwhelmed at this latest upgrade as well (in totality, as you mentioned). I'm even more bummed about the direction Apple is heading in regards to software. What they are offering with Numbers, Pages, etc. is, in my opinion, embarrassing. I used to be very very adept at using Excel. And when i try to do things i used to do in Excel ten years ago in Numbers, i can't. So many things. They have so dumbed down all their software. How do they get so obsessed about the minutest little aesthetic details on a phone, but completely neglect so many features in their software.
 
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FrozenDarkness said:
i'm surprised the outrage isn't about the smaller battery
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For me at least, I use the machine plugged in 90% of the time I use it. The missing magsafe is a much bigger deal to me than the battery life.

This early 2011 MBP gets used about 8 hours a day and the battery cycle count is at 492. And Apple originally advertised it as a 5 hour battery life.
 
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gavroche said:
In all honesty, i was pretty underwhelmed at this latest upgrade as well (in totality, as you mentioned). I'm even more bummed about the direction Apple is heading in regards to software. What they are offering with Numbers, Pages, etc. is, in my opinion, embarrassing. I used to be very very adept at using Excel. And when i try to do things i used to do in Excel ten years ago in Numbers, i can't. So many things. They have so dumbed down all their software. How do they get so obsessed about the minutest little aesthetic details on a phone, but completely neglect so many features in their software.
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Exactly, this is what I am saying. Yeah it's a nice piece of tech gadget, but it's not for Pros. They are letting pros leave, and they trick "regular" customers with the Pro term... see the iPP, which I love but... it's not really for Pros.
They just want to become an iOS company that also does gadgets (Apple Watch).
 
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cmaier said:
Then you pay $310 for an apple depot flat rate repair.
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Not sure where you have heard this, because I have never experienced this. I have friends with Macs and they are just junk, Apple Store want to charge prices such as $600 or $800 for repairs. Maybe they have a workmanship flat rate, and the part on top?
 
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This is hardly news I believe. The SSD is also soldered on to the 2015 model. And thus non-upgradeable. That is not so bad IMO given the Speed it gets one...

While I am ZERO fan of the 2016 Model which IMO is a dead fish, this SSD behavior is not too bad. To those who do want to get the 2016 MBP make sure you get MORE storage than you need. 1TB the least. I would get 2TB if I opted to buy which I won't until it has 32 GB of RAM.

iPad and iPhones are no diff. Once you buy it you are STUCK with the SSDs and their size or lack thereof. Therefor, GET THE BIGGEST size you can.... You Wont Regret that...

But it will set you back a lot of hard earned dollars - about 4.5k with such an option and at that Price point the iMac is MUCH more appealing...

The 2016 MBP selling for USD 2500 has NOTHING appealing about it. It should not be allowed to retain its Pro Moniker. At USD4500 it does get a little pro. At least enough Pro for normal people who aren't pros to not be able to afford it. And the pros who can afford it won't buy it because it aint pro enough.... At ANY Price !

As I said, the 2016 MBP is currently a dead fish which Apple will update within the next 6 months. That is if they want it do well !
 
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gavroche said:
If you throw away your MB if its not working, instead of walking into an Apple store (or any other repair facility) and paying them several hundred dollars to repair/replace the defective component.. well.... i probably wouldn't want you making business decisions for my company :)
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I write computer equipment down over 2 years so after that point in time it has no value to the business. Also, I would have to replace it immediately anyway and it simply wouldn't be worth my time to get it repaired.
Having said that, it's not something that's ever arisen as I've never had a computer break down on me within the 3 year window. When computers are replaced after that time, we generally donate them to schools or other worthwhile causes
 
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PhotodudeCA said:
You are forgetting that most people have years of files and thousands of $'s of OXS applications that tie them into Apple eco-system. There is no other manufacturer to sell them a different product that would meet their needs. Moving to another OS is a hassle and a significant cost. This is not bitterness, these are legitimate complaints from consumers that do not have a choice. If you are a monopolist, at least provide people with the absolute best. Apple is no longer doing it.
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Apple is far from a monopoly. In fact, they have lower market share than some PC companies. The way you deal with your "years of files and apps" is the same as it's always been, move them to an archived external HDD
 
SimonTheSoundMa said:
Not sure where you have heard this, because I have never experienced this. I have friends with Macs and they are just junk, Apple Store want to charge prices such as $600 or $800 for repairs. Maybe they have a workmanship flat rate, and the part on top?
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Depot repairs are real and much cheaper than a repair at an Apple authorized service provider. I have done this for MacBook Pro logic boards for the school district where I work. I don't mind that the SSD is not upgradeable. I know what I want in terms of storage... but what happens when the logic board fails? Will Apple use the same SSD in the replacement? I wonder how that works.
 
I've been saying this from day one - the hardware on these machines is undoubtably great, these are not "Pro" machines. They're great consumer-level machines, but they lack many things a professional user would want out of their computer - multiple different ports, the ability to go above 16GB of RAM, and the ability to upgrade/replace internal parts. Honestly, had Apple released a very similar machine, with only Thunderbolt ports, but gave the ability to go above 16GB of RAM, at least had the ability to replace/upgrade the SSD if necessary, and priced the machine at a sane level, they'd have a real hit on their hands.

As it stands, while Apple may have taken more preorders for this MBP than any previous one, I doubt Apple would admit how many of those pre-orders have been canceled (looked around various forms, including here, A LOT of people have canceled their orders).

I hope this release will be a wake up call to Apple to get their act together, but I highly doubt it. They're still making money hand-over-fist, and until that stops, their questionable decision making won't change.
 
zorinlynx said:
This basically means that if you use one of these laptops, you better make sure you have disk encryption on and make good backups.

If your machine dies and they replace it, they won't be able to transfer the SSD to the new machine. And encryption is important because you can't remove the SSD from a dead machine to protect your private data.
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you should backup ANY computer, its just common sense. this has been the case for decades
 
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This is not the be all and end all. There is alternative solutions to every problem with these updated MacBook Pro's with the main one being buy a different laptop and if macOS is so bloody important to you holier than though "pros" go build a hackintosh. By the sounds of all the whiners on here you are all gifted computer legends that can go build a fine machine on your own.
 
It's funny how Apple always talk about ecology, and how environmentally friendly the products are...

You know what is the most environmentally friendly product, Apple? The one that you don't have to throw away every 2 years if you just want a bigger SSD.

After many years of development, they could finally find out how to make it thin and light but also upgradable. My rMBP is thin enought, no need to make it thinner.
 
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Quu said:
This is quite sad. The SSD is one of the things first to die after the battery and when the computer is considered obsolete by Apple (5 years time) you could have a useless brick on your hands with no way to service the SSD.

Quite a shame.
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SSD is one of the first to die? Got some stats on that? Having worked as an ACMT for 6 years, I can tell you that SSD failure is not that common. In fact, I see more fried logic boards than SSDs
 
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