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SO what? Cheers to Apple for offering CTO options that are not uniformly insanely overpriced. Nevermind that in a year the cost of some of those options from Apple will be the same price while dropping substantially in the open market. But that won't matter because MacBook Pro customers don't have that market value option. There is absolutely no reason Apple could not have retained user serviceable memory and storage. Nobody was begging for thinner PRO computers. Nobody wanted a watered-down user experience and getting nickel and dimed to death by dongles, missing cables, etc. Apple is wrong on this design. It is too focused on thin and not focused on PRO.
100% Agree!!!!
 
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It also has the fastest drive in any laptop in the world, but you know - lets rile the forum members a bit more :rolleyes:

Let's see, what has more utility? A computer with 500gb of non-upgradeable storage or a computer with 20% slower but still stupid fast 2x M.2 slots upgradeable to ... well what will we max out in a 3-4 year computer lifespan? 3TB m.2?

Fastest on the planet... I'm sure editing your 5 minute final cut pro video at 4k will be fabulous on your $2000 machine! Oh wait lol you can't get a good GPU in that 13". My bad. You need a $2400 15" with a laughable 256gb storage and 2gb VRAM and less than a 1.2 tflop vid card (GTX 1080 is 9 tflop, and the 5 year old radeon 7970 is 3 tflop). You would fill that up in about 30 minutes of 4k video (when you factor in that you need an OS)! Don't worry though, it's got a smaller battery and since you'll run out of room so fast, you will get great battery life when you go back to your facebook feed after only being able to do 30 minutes of work.
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Well that's "awesome". And if that SSD dies few weeks after warranty expires?
or, more likely: what if SSDs go way down in price and you want more than 250gb of storage in your $2,400 laptop?
 
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Let's see, what has more utility? A computer with 500gb of non-upgradeable storage or a computer with 20% slower but still stupid fast 2x M.2 slots upgradeable to ... well what will we max out in a 3-4 year computer lifespan? 3TB m.2?

Fastest on the planet... I'm sure editing your 5 minute final cut pro video at 4k will be fabulous on your $2000 machine! Oh wait lol you can't get a good GPU in that 13". My bad. You need a $2400 15" with a laughable 256gb storage and 2gb VRAM and less than a 1.2 tflop vid card (GTX 1080 is 9 tflop, and the 5 year old radeon 7970 is 3 tflop). You would fill that up in about 30 minutes of 4k video (when you factor in that you need an OS)! Don't worry though, it's got a smaller battery and since you'll run out of room so fast, you will get great battery life when you go back to your facebook feed after only being able to do 30 minutes of work.
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or, more likely: what if SSDs go way down in price and you want more than 250gb of storage in your $2,400 laptop?

It's gonna be sad in 3-4 years when 2tb ssd is $100, no one will be able to upgrade these machines. So sad.
 
What a disappointment with fixed SSD. If logic board failed, you lost everything. Poor design by Apple in order to make the MBP thinner. And the newer Apple products have serious reliability issues.
 
Yes it would cost more. The fact is Apple is charging less for a 1TB PCIe 3 SSD than anyone else. Dell wants $1300CDN for a slower 1TB and finding a more equivalent Samsung 960 on Amazon is going to set you back almost $700USD. Apple is charging half of that for their 1TB. Even if those prices do drop over the next five years they are going to have to drop a very long ways to get to what Apple is charging today. So suddenly $310 is looking very reasonable and why would you pay more to go somewhere else.

I did the research and ordered the 2TB drive anticipating it would be soldered.

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An interesting early review from Casey Neistat who is a big Apple fan but thinks the whole USB C thing is too far too fast. Video uploaded today and its already had 750,000 views! This guy is influential.

Wait a minute, he's got a maxed out mac pro (his words) -- so that means he's got a 12 core with dual D700 (6 Tflop graphics) and he is using a freaking laptop with less than 2tflop GPU and probably 1/4 the processing power?? And he's using his mac pro for a freaking NAS????

Far be it from me to insult this clearly financially successful guy but he just set a stupid amount of money on fire (like over $15,000). He could've gone PC, taught himself to use the [much better] apps on there, and saved at least half on all that. On top of that, the hardware you could get for even half that amount of money would be CRAZY, even back in 2013 when he probably bought his mac pro. I have an awesome job but even I couldn't justify that level of ridiculousness.

If this massive fanboy is having problems with the new laptop, you know you're in trouble, Apple.
 
What is crazy is that Apple certified repairs don't even fix the logic board. That takes too much time. They throw it out and pop in a new one. So even if a $0.25 capacitor fails, the whole board is junked. It looks like the same will be true with the new logic boards except now all the RAM and SSD (along with the data that would then be unretrievable) goes in the bin with the bad board and the cost to replace will be insane. These are ridiculous compromises for a "pro" machine so that it could be "thinner!™️".

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Very good point there with regard to data.
Our iMac was backed up to Time Machine and a USB3 drive but I trusted the apple repairer so didn't restore to factory settings.
After diagnosing the repair they phoned me to explain the iMac needed a new logic board. I asked 'will the data be okay?' he said 'it should be'.
There wasn't any sensitive information but when the machine was returned my relief that I could enter password and it just booted up was palpable.
No need to faff with restoring. But if this was a 2016 rMBP the data as you say would have been binned with the logic board.
That maybe be a big problem for some, I was lucky the iMac let me do one final backup before it went for repair.
Some folk might not have done a backup and would lose precious data if their machine wouldn't allow to get pass the on screen explaination mark before sending for repair.
Cheers
ps
apple never asked whether I'd backed up which I thought strange.
I have a feeling I know why now.
 
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I'm starting a movement: MAGA = MAKE APPLE GREAT AGAIN!

Who's with me?

We need to get Cook fired. He's absolutely the worst CEO in tech today! He's destroyed everything I loved about Apple. He needs to retire.

Lets start with Phil Schiller, the statements he's made recently show how out of touch that guy is with the mac community, he's gotta go fast.
 
Hahahaha.You cant be serious Apple.A pro laptop which is basically a disposable commodity for 2K bucks.Lmao

And here my $1300 gaming PC is being upgraded for years on end and it puts is machine to shame
 
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What if your SSD goes bad after 3 yrs(assuming AppleCare), change of logic board ?
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13" 2011 for me. Within a week of buying, I put in a 120 gig SSD ($200 at the time) and 16 gig of ram ($70). in 2013 I upgraded the SSD to 256 gig (for $200). In 2015, I upgraded it to 512 gig (for another $200). I guess I'll still be using the machine whenever I can upgrade it to 1TB for another $200.

Why didn't you buy a MBP with the specs you needed? You ended up paying $800 for SSD alone and still didn't have the use for the full lifespan. That sounds expensive. ;-)
 
I'm starting a movement: MAGA = MAKE APPLE GREAT AGAIN!

Who's with me?

We need to get Cook fired. He's absolutely the worst CEO in tech today! He's destroyed everything I loved about Apple. He needs to retire.
"Grabbing Apple by the cords!"


*Cords is a single USB3-C cord not included. Available for $49.99 on the Apple Store.
 
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Wonderful. Yet the failure of ANY component on the mainboard just went up in price significantly and is required for a CPU, GPU, RAM, Wifi, TB, or SSD failure. I doubt the $310 flat rate will remain if/when these start going in for repairs.
Except thats not the point of the original post so...
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Unfortunately not everyone has a fast internet connection at all times. I travel a lot with my notebook and often have no or very slow internet for days or weeks. So having all my data in one place and a backup in the cloud and at home and at work (in case one of the places burns down) is my strategy. It's also more convenient and fast to have everything in one place. All of my netbooks had hard drive failures so replacing and upgrading the HDD's is a good thing to be able to.
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Is that really true? I though SSD's are prone to fail over 2 years of use. Please tell me i'm wrong and SSD's last a very long time.
Yes. You have less to fear for you SSD failing than ever in life before.
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For the last time, that's not the issue here.

The issue is that if any component soldered to the logic board fails, you are SOL.

The SSD might be fine, but Apple will probably replace the LB, so there goes your data.

You better have FileVault on for sure too, and encrypt EVERYTHING.

So now we're talking about compounding the failure rate of every single component on the LB.

That's a whole 'nother ball game.

Still, as someone else pointed out, this is not stopping anyone. Apple knows their sheep well.

Um. The original post is about the SSD. If other components fail on your LB and you mail it in for a repair without backing up your data then you are an idiot. You should never, and Apple tells you this, mail in you lappy for repair without backing it up. And why encrypt if you have nothing to hide? You and many others on here are imagining a fear where one does not exist.
 
Didn't say MacBooks don't fail. In fact I service them for a living so I am QUITE familiar.

Please name one computer manufacturer in the US that offers a free 3-year warranty. If it were up to users, they would get free repairs for life! But that's just not the case. Consumer electronics warranties are regulated by the FTC, so maybe you should file a complaint with the government. In Italy, Apple has been forced by govt regulations to provide a 2 year warranty.

In the UK John Lewis Partnership offer a 2 year warranty as standard on ALL products (well except flowers).
Every three months or so on select apple products they offer an extra year FREE making it three years.

I bought my rMBP 2015 from
JLP based on this 3 year warrantee promotion.

I wouldn't even consider buying a rMBP 2016 without a 3 year warrantee based on this article.

In fact I would hold out and hope apple U turn next year and make the SSD upgradable.
 
In the UK John Lewis Partnership offer a 2 year warranty as standard on ALL products (well except flowers).
Every three months or so on select apple products they offer an extra year FREE making it three years.

I bought my rMBP 2015 from
JLP based on this 3 year warrantee promotion.

I wouldn't even consider buying a rMBP 2016 without a 3 year warrantee based on this article.

In fact I would hold out and hope apple U turn next year and make the SSD upgradable.
You are out of luck.Apple never reverses their decision.The only option now is to switch full time to Windows machines
 
Oh dear and this article was less than 12 months old http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/upgrade-ssd-macbook-pro-retina-display
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You are out of luck.Apple never reverses their decision.The only option now is to switch full time to Windows machines

They do reverse their decision when I said on this forum back in June / July
''they will include an adapter with the iPhone 7 FREE in the box'' I was ridiculed.
"apple never give adapters away free, they didn't when they moved to lightning, they wont now"
etc etc etc
apple do U turn.

ps
We all have XP, W7 W10 on our Macs with Parallels
 
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