He was all out of courage
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That's what I did, got my Dell XPS on Monday.
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If something goes wrong you are in for a logic board replacement , and everything is one it, and given the cost, you might as well throw it away and buy a new one.
I've upgraded / replaced faulty hds and ram on all my macs .
No, you ditch Apple, buy the amount of ram and SSD to do you a few years and then when the price of RAM and SSD half in two years, you have the choice to upgrade. It was a great relief when I got my new laptop on Monday
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In other words, Apple causes people to be sad and bitter.
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Awesome, and when it dies, I have to pay $1000 to replace the motherboard rather than $150 to replace the SSD
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Comparing different use cases and lifycycles.
You keep your phone less than your laptop.
If your phone dies in 3 years, it could be someone elses problem, if any component on your laptop fails, you are up for a $1000 repair bill rather than $150
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The Samsung 960 Pro is faster, but I think Apple is using this: Samsung 960 EVO and it is only $479 for 1TB.
Takes 5 mins to swap out an SSD (well in most laptops, apparently not Apples though)
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Apple can't fix a broken SSD, they have to swap your motherboard out. Planned
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What rubbish. I just abandoned Apple and switched to a DELL XPS this week, people at work were shocked I was switching away from Apple. And judging by a lot of people on here there are a lot of unhappy bunnies about. People are moaning more than ever on here, what does that tell you about Apple?
I was in an Apple shop the other day and overheard an older guy saying this was his last Apple Laptop.
256GB - 512GB: £180
256GB - 1TB: £540
256GB - 2TB: £1260
So apple is charging you £1260 for 1.75TB
or £1440 for 2TB VS £1066 online shops - BThttp://www.shop.bt.com/products/samsung-960-pro-2tb-nvme-pcie-v-nand-m-2-ssd-mz-v6p2t0bw-CGH6.html?referrerid=ZA00&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_content=ZA00&awc=3043_1479291387_bb848833f2974a4d0f60614e3b416a29
And just hthink what the difference would be in 2 years. £1440 vs £400 just when you might need the extra space. So it might cost you and extra £1000 just to have that space sitting around
USB-C - solution was simple, offer 2 usb-C and 2 usb-A
Parents through 3 laptops in 3 years? Failure or performance?
Who cares how fast is the new CPU, the extra battery life, the new TouchBar or how fast the TB3 is, if you don’t get the basics. It's one thing you can’t upgrade the RAM anymore and need to pay premium price for it, now you can’t upgrade the SSD as well to a bigger one down the road or in case of a failure, plus no ports and MagSafe except 4 USB-C (2 on the base 13” MBP model) - this is to much, im expecting much more from a €3000-5000 laptops!
The last proper MacBook “Pro” was last year… although i won’t be surprised if the second hand prices will increase like it was with the 2012 MacMini’s with quad-core i7 after they downgrade to dual cores.
The last proper MacBook “Pro” was last year… although i won’t be surprised if the second hand prices will increase like it was with the 2012 MacMini’s with quad-core i7 after they downgrade to dual cores.
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Apple's lost the plot completely now. This is a terrible product.
If you make your expensive products less serviceable, at least what you can do is offer extended warranty - 3 years minimum for logic board failure. Apple Care should be included within the purchase of MacBook Pro, otherwise the risk for your wallet is too high to justify buying something so expensive. Imagine that someone is selling you a car where a transmission failure would mean buying an entire new engine. With the SSD and RAM included, the price of a logic board replacement at Apple should be around 800$ - 1000$. This is a lot of money for laptop repair...
Looks like ifixit has the 13" w/TB torndown: https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro_13"_Late_2016_Touch_Bar
At least now i know i can't replace it later.... I think Apple should clarify "Onboard" on the specs page. It didn't clue me in, it probably should have... knowing the RAM was "Onboard" already.
At least now i know i can't replace it later.... I think Apple should clarify "Onboard" on the specs page. It didn't clue me in, it probably should have... knowing the RAM was "Onboard" already.
No, I don't want to ditch Apple. Because I love working in Logic, because I really like the whole ecosystem.
When I'll aim for upgradeability I'll go for a workstation, laptop is more than ever an appliance, and the whole user base voted with their money for thin un-upgradeable laptops almost a decade ago.
If the SSDs won't break (wont need servicing) then I don't really care.
I bought 2008 cheap, struggled with 4GB RAM and slow small 320GB disk and after 2 years upgraded, after 4 years I had to replace it anyway because CPU was too slow, interfaces were slow (no USB3, no Thunderbolt, SATA2 in opticalbay).
I bought a maxed-out retina (with exception of SSD) and haven't touched it in 4 years and its going strong and after 4 years I have absolutely no need to replace it.
Previous one had to be replaced despite the fact that it was upgradeable.
Your discussion is pointless anyway, this has been discussed a million times in 2012 when first gen retina came out. It had proprietary SATA3 connector, upgrades were almost as expensive as they were directly from apple, and RAM was already soldered. Nothing new under the sun.
Hard-drives are more prone to faults than SSDs, and new SSDs even less than old SSDs.
As far as RAM goes, if they solder it, they better know what they're doing. Seeing my iPad 1 is still going strong, they might be on to something. I'm not really afraid of my computer dying on me.
And the latest 960 Evo (almost as good) is $479 for 1 TB module. You pay that with Apple just to upgrade from 512gb to 1Tb! http://hothardware.com/reviews/samsung-ssd-960-evo-nvme-m2-review?page=7
After so many negatives about this new laptop I decided to opt for the 2015 model...
Ironically its only $300 cheaper but you get:
-The slower CPU
-The retarded GPU
-the slower RAM
-the old display
-The Slower SSD
$2000 for a macbook is expensive, but $1700 for last year's model is a complete joke. Now I know why Tim kept it, for the ignorants who will pay huge profit margin thinking they are getting a good deal. On the plus side, you do get free ports and save on dongles
Ironically its only $300 cheaper but you get:
-The slower CPU
-The retarded GPU
-the slower RAM
-the old display
-The Slower SSD
$2000 for a macbook is expensive, but $1700 for last year's model is a complete joke. Now I know why Tim kept it, for the ignorants who will pay huge profit margin thinking they are getting a good deal. On the plus side, you do get free ports and save on dongles
I don't get you! First you are whining that you can not afford the 2TB, then you don't want to carry around external storage.. Do you even want a portable computer? or are just plain stupid or trolling?
Technically you haven't been able to do this for years, soldering it changes nothing considering you couldn't get an adapter for the Apple connector on the drive since the 2013 board. Sure you could take it apart and plug it into another MacBook Pro but that's not exactly easy either. Just turn Time Machine on, you know the free macOS app that backs everything up every hour and use Dropbox or iCloud for all your important files...this coupled with a Drobo means I don't need to care even if my laptop is stolen - which to be honest is a far greater risk than any of the components dying.
If the rMBP is fine for your needs then that is good, it is a lovely machine and like mine had several years still in it. I got 16GB ram and 256GB SSD in mine. I didn't need the 16GB in the first few years but needed it now, wasted money in my opinion. The SSD on the other hand is full and I was living a life of hell trying to free up space, I was going to replace the SSD but the machine is no longer working and I replaced it with a DELL XPS on Monday.
As for my discussion being pointless, that is kind of you. It isn't pointless to me and not to swathes of others. The complainers on here are way louder for this release than any other. Even more so that when the RAM was soldered.
As it happens, Apple could easily have put replaceable ram in the 2012 rMBP, there is space for it, I checked.
Its not just about having to spend the money to max out a machine but the repair costs. Components that used to cost $150 to replace yourself, now cost $1000 to replace the whole motherboard.
It is a rare thing for me to not have to take an Apple product back to the store, so I don't think Apples quality control is up to scratch, yes their service is excellent and they replace things but wait until a machine is 5 years old and you are **** out of luck.
I recently took my old laptop in to get a battery replaced and Apple showed me the door (told me to try a third partly repairer or unofficially to try online and do it myself).
Could you imagine the outcry when Apple finally make a car, well I guess they are not going to do that because they have been told that if they weld the wheels on and weld the engine in then no one one will buy it.
Wow, I already had forgotten the pain: Backup to tapes...and then came Apple with a solution. Before your post I wasn't aware how grateful I am for that. Thanks!
I'm obviously being sarcastic pointing out that this is what Apple says to do, especially with the new macOS Sierra feature that saves disk space by putting things in the cloud.
I'm sadly doing the same for my home and small company. I bought a maxed-out, factory-sealed 2015 15" MBP as my last Mac (for the foreseeable future) last week from the local Apple Store. Even the sales specialist there understood why I didn't want the new model.
For home, we're going Microsoft (shudder) Surface and for work HP Z workstations.
I genuinely feel like I'm living in an alternate reality, bizarreo world. Up is down, right is wrong, dark is light.
So, I am not a fan of non-removable hard drives.
But if you did not back your data up you really must not have needed it that bad.
But if you did not back your data up you really must not have needed it that bad.
Name ANY tech product that you can get repaired when it's more than 5 years old. I'm usually told that the parts don't exist. This is not just an Apple problem.
I've owned about 20 Apple products. I've only ever taken TWO to the Apple store for a repair (an iPad screen broke, and had an iPhone with the home button that broke after 2 years). I think their quality is quite good. My original iPad 1 still works fine, as do 10+ year old iPods, and a 2006 MacBook.
I had a Samsung dryer which failed, and technicians could NOT fix it, and since it was out of warranty (only 2 years old), they didn't do anything. I'm stuck with a broken dryer, and had to buy a new one with my own money - plus I had to pay for the repair that didn't fix it.
My follow up is then: They are fixed configuration, sealed box, non-upgradable devices with (your words) "limited life span" that "you plan to replace frequently" That would mean to me (and maybe it does to you too!) that they are "throw away" devices. You use them for a short period of time and then get rid of them. Yet, when have even critics with an agenda, and bias, and preference, ever labeled them "throw away"? Sure, they criticize the lack of a SD slot, the use of Lightening over USB, and many many other things. But, I'm the only one arguing they should be called that, right?
Sure, I can understand that, however, it's not like MacBook Pro doesn't have any resell value. Rather, it will have the most resell value compared to any other laptop. I mean, your cellphone and tablet aren't worthless and throwaway.
So let me get this right, paying between $650 to $1,000 *a year* just for a cellphone is fine. It's fine because you'll resell it and recover half or more value, right? No need to -seriously- lower the price of the phone.
Well, SSDs(internal storage in general) are simply becoming like some of many other internal soldered chips, resistors and capacitors, etc.
You can't also replace the SSD of iPhones, etc.
You can't also replace the Bios anymore, once it was possible.
You can't replace cache memory anymore, once it was possible.
You can't replace chipsets anymore, once it was possible.
Etc.
It's not much different, and part of the evolution.
Same with TVs:
Once customers also moaned about...
w000t you can't simply bring your tv to the next tv repair shop anymore to fix it, etc.
And same with cars!
Welcome to the future, just a matter of time till this reaches the PC platform, too.
What will you use then?
You can't also replace the SSD of iPhones, etc.
You can't also replace the Bios anymore, once it was possible.
You can't replace cache memory anymore, once it was possible.
You can't replace chipsets anymore, once it was possible.
Etc.
It's not much different, and part of the evolution.
Same with TVs:
Once customers also moaned about...
w000t you can't simply bring your tv to the next tv repair shop anymore to fix it, etc.
And same with cars!
Welcome to the future, just a matter of time till this reaches the PC platform, too.
What will you use then?
I'm quite sure a SSD is going to be used much more heavily on a rMBP than on an ipad/iPhone. I'll routinely move 100-200gb of video/RAW files from SD/CF cards to my MacBook SSD and then to external storage later. You'll be waiting a long time moving that much info into your USB 2.0 equipped iPhone 7
Ok I'm confused -
Never heard of flat rate deport.
Does that include accidental damage repairs?
My mac air 2014 got spillage damage and Apple Store looked at my appointment and said write off and no mention of flat rate repair before or after.
Lucky to be in a big city so went to a non authorised repair shop I have used before. They changed out the logic board and cleaned for $400. That's 4 months back and no complaints.
Since AppleCare does not include spillage or accidental damage I was going to find some gadget insurance for the 2016 pro if the same happened again and skip AppleCare.
Now though I need info on this flat rate stuff. Links to t&c please?
Never heard of flat rate deport.
Does that include accidental damage repairs?
My mac air 2014 got spillage damage and Apple Store looked at my appointment and said write off and no mention of flat rate repair before or after.
Lucky to be in a big city so went to a non authorised repair shop I have used before. They changed out the logic board and cleaned for $400. That's 4 months back and no complaints.
Since AppleCare does not include spillage or accidental damage I was going to find some gadget insurance for the 2016 pro if the same happened again and skip AppleCare.
Now though I need info on this flat rate stuff. Links to t&c please?