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10th gen for mobile has slightly faster memory 2933MHz vs 2666MHz which has very little practical gains and a couple extra 100MHz on turbo boost and same base clocks. I really can't blame Apple for sticking with 9th gen. They likely even get a discount for helping clear out stock. 10th gen on desktop at least re-introduces Hyper-Threading which does have real world impacts.
 
The macrumors article has an error, it is 75% faster than the 8GB 5500M upgrade, the 5300M is the base graphics on the 16".
 
Which means it isn’t a trivial purchase/BTO option for most users here who are already complaining. The 8GB 5500M is almost a no-brainer buy at this point, but there’s going to have to be some significant gains in relevant apps to make a $700-$800 BTO option relevant for 90% of users.

And unless you need that much power truly mobile, you're well into eGPU territory, which are vastly faster...and upgradable!
 
It didn't suddenly get slower.
Well duh obviously.... I knew it would be refreshed at some point this year, but I was just hoping it wouldn't come right after I got the most current version. My current 16" might not be slower, but it sure could be a hell of a lot faster for the same money I spent on the fastest graphics upgrade available at the time a month ago.
 
This move actually makes me feel good about my recent refurb purchase 2.3/32/1tb because hopefully it means there may not be an imminent 2020 update that I would feel buyers remorse about not waiting.

Also, appears that you can't do Apple Card payments on the refurbs, just new.
 
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Why do they cheap out and still refuse to switch from the 5 or 6 year old Broadcom BCM 4360 based WiFi chips. The Intel Dual antenna 9265 and AX200 are both much faster and have better signal at long range, I updated my old Dell Latitude 7450 and XPS 15 (XPS came with the BCM4360) with an AX200 and they can hit 1200-1400 Mbps in real world transfers to my NAS and 1.1 Gbps on the internet side (CAX80 modem with a 2.5Gbps port + Comcast over-provisions their Gig profile.) My 16" on the other hand while not slow hits around 800 Mbps peak stabilizing at around 700-720 Mbps, and much worse than the Intel WiFi based laptops close to signal edge. Considering an AX200 costs end users/individuals $20-30 dependng on seller I'm sure Apple probably could get them cheaper on mass orders, especially for the cnvio versions (ie just the RF module aka 9265/AX201) since the WiFi chips are built into the CPU anyway and cnvio would work.
 
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Why would you like that?

Because we have an XPS that had an equivalent BCM4360 based WiFi card that performed similarly to the MBP'16, but the Intel card made it have better range and speeds overall. I mean why would you not want a better WiFi card in general like the AX200 especially in such a high end product. Considering it's $20-30 for end users it would actually be even cheaper for Apple due to bulk order, probably even cheaper if they got just the RF module instead of the full fledged chip since the 9th gen Intel CPU's have the WiFi chipset integrated anyway.
 
Now €8,179.00 spec'd out BTO (without accessories), but no Wi-Fi 6 card?????
If you spend over 8K Euros for a laptop, I feel no sorry for you for the wi-fi. I am sure you will be able to afford an external solution (if there is one).
 
Because we have an XPS that had an equivalent BCM4360 based WiFi card that performed similarly to the MBP'16, but the Intel card made it have better range and speeds overall. I mean why would you not want a better WiFi card in general like the AX200 especially in such a high end product. Considering it's $20-30 for end users it would actually be even cheaper for Apple due to bulk order, probably even cheaper if they got just the RF module instead of the full fledged chip since the 9th gen Intel CPU's have the WiFi chipset built in.
I would want the better WiFi card. I was asking why you like that Apple is staying with the older one.
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I think the problem is he's not catching your sarcasm lol
Yeah that's what I thought at first, but I always thought sarcasm was supposed to have a modicum of wit.
 
I would want the better WiFi card. I was asking why you like that Apple is staying with the older one.
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Yeah that's what I thought at first, but I always thought sarcasm was supposed to have a modicum of wit.

Oh that was sarcasm when I said "I like", sorry maybe I was not clear.🙁 EDIT - I de-sarcasmed that post now lol.
 
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For $800 over the standard GPU, you could get an eGPU enclosure and a 5700 XT, which would be much faster than a 5600 and be upgradable.

Documented thread with benchmark scores since MBP16,1 release with RX5700XT in eGPU:
 
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And unless you need that much power truly mobile, you're well into eGPU territory, which are vastly faster...and upgradable!

Honestly, that was my first thought. Unless I am mobile so much that lugging an eGPU around is prohibitive, I would go with the 8GB 5500M option and spend $700 on an eGPU box and either a Radeon VII, if you can find one, or a 5700XT until RDNA 2 GPUs are introduced and Apple includes support in a future version of macOS. $700-$800 just seems a bit ridiculous to me. I guess benchmarks and real world testing will tell us if it’s worth the extra expense.
 
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