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Damn, just got a 16inch i9 2.3 5500m 8gb 64gb ram 1tb ssd. Is an EGPU really going to make a difference? Seems like the tests weren't so fantastic here:

Is it true the 5600m would be significantly slower than my config + EGPU?
 
Honestly, that was my first thought. Unless I am mobile so much that lugging an eGPU around is prohibitive, I would go with the 8GB 5500M option and spend $700 on an eGPU box and either a Radeon VII, if you can find one, or a 5700XT until RDNA 2 GPUs are introduced and Apple includes support in a future version of macOS. $700-$800 just seems a bit ridiculous to me. I guess benchmarks and real world testing will tell us if it’s worth the extra expense.

Plus, an eGPU can accelerate the internal display as well. So far I'm very happy with 5700 XT + Razer Core X Chroma. About $820 after taxes, and I can pop in a new GPU in a couple of years. Resale value on a 5600M will be garbage.
 
Plus, an eGPU can accelerate the internal display as well. So far I'm very happy with 5700 XT + Razer Core X Chroma. About $820 after taxes, and I can pop in a new GPU in a couple of years. Resale value on a 5600M will be garbage.
My primary concern would be reliability. I always get the fastest internal available for my MBPs, and I've had two MBPs over the years that have failed because of issues with overheating of the GPU causing physical damage.
 
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Honestly a weight lifted off my shoulders, I had to buy the 16" a week ago, worst time to buy a device, but since they didn't completely revamp it yet - I feel ok :D

Hope we keep our perceived up-to-dateness after WWDC too
 
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For $800 over the standard GPU, you could get an eGPU enclosure and a 5700 XT, which would be much faster than a 5600 and be upgradable.

I wonder if this will work out this way in practice. I've played with 4 eGPU enclosures and various GPUs for them on my 2018 maxed-out MBP 15 inch, working with Adobe CC tools and Davinci Resolve - disappointing results, I have to say - even with 2 identical GPUs and eGPU enclosures.

I found I got almost identical results with the eGPUs and the i5 2019 MBP 13 inch with maxed out RAM. Which is almost half the price of my MBP 15 inch...

I believe it's something to do in part with how many PCIe channels are available to or used by the eGPU enclosures...
 
Price appears to be steep considering that you get for that money a high-end eGPU enclosure plus card, and have even more processing power if you need that. Though, looks like they lowered the price for the 5500M option, CPU 2.4 GHz upgrade, and RAM upgrades somewhat. Might be worth for those folks needing to edit 4k video on the go.

I am using eGPU since the Mojave days with a Vega 64 16GB card providing desktop level GPU performance. Nice thing is also, that it serves as a hub, only one cable to connect as it delivers power, and all monitors are connected directly to GPU card.
 
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Where’s all the people claiming Apple is getting ready to dump the new 7,1 MP in lieu or ARM already? Quite a few of you were saying how you felt sorry for us MP buyers and that we were stupid. Doesn’t look like Apple is dumping it to me...

My BF bought a MacPro in December, and I will be willing to bet that if Apple introduces ARM-based Macs, they will do so for their entire product line within 18 months. I do not, however, think that he or you were stupid for having purchased them. Likely by the time the new ARM-based Mac Pro ships, (probably the end of next year at the earliest), the current machine will have paid for their purchase through their increased performance.
 
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This update is another cash grab. The current 16 can't even push a 4k external monitor browsing the internet without taking off, let alone intensive GPU use. The more power they pack, the less they last.
 
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Damn, just got a 16inch i9 2.3 5500m 8gb 64gb ram 1tb ssd. Is an EGPU really going to make a difference? Seems like the tests weren't so fantastic here:

Is it true the 5600m would be significantly slower than my config + EGPU?

I like his reviews, but the results make me think he wasn’t using a 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 cable to his eGPU.
 
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eGPU’s are a lot better for gaming than for productivity. The TB3 bottleneck is much less of a problem when the traffic mostly goes one way in the cable. For productivity tasks it needs to go back and forth a lot and this is where you really take a hit compared to internal GPUs.

Here are some more comprehensive sets of tests. I wouldn’t just break it down into “productivity” vs “gaming”. An eGPU is much more powerful in any application making good use of the GPU.


https://barefeats.com/macbook-pro-13-inch-2020-egpu-boost-2.html
 
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I like his reviews, but the results make me think he wasn’t using a 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 cable to his eGPU.
Got it. What results should I get with my config + EGPU? Probably slightly slower than the 2.4 8 core. Will a Egpu be significantly faster for premiere pro(6k or 8k video) and After Effects than the 5500m 8gb?
 
look at RAZOR they have support for 2080 internal graphics at comparable pricing...I somehow doubt apple paid $875 Canadian for a mobile chip !! My 5700xt with 8 gigs cost me $550 Canadian when it was introduced. No way a mobile chip can compare to a card !!
 
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I found I got almost identical results with the eGPUs and the i5 2019 MBP 13 inch with maxed out RAM. Which is almost half the price of my MBP 15 inch...

There are a couple of things: for the eGPU to work, the app has to be tagged for "Prefer external GPU", the app has to use either Open CL/GL or better Metal, and the app has to be taking actually advantage of GPU. I get excellent results, but one has to fiddle a little bit with settings, counterintuitively switching off GPU support sometimes to make the app for instance switch to Metal. And you need to connect your monitors directly to the eGPU and pull your work to those monitors with most apps. You can monitor with iStats Menu what is being used, in combination with timing your workflow.

I had an eGPU running with my old 2014 MBP on 2x PCIe lanes, and it was difference of day and night. However, GPU is not used for many tasks one may think, for instance transcoding is typically done in CPU, whereas filters are applied in GPU. And then there are those apps that do not run with eGPU at all like X-Plane. And finally those apps without named GPU support like Omni Graffle that greatly benefit from eGPU, you will know when you receive large converted documents that end up in millions of vectors. But most productivity apps, including both hypervisors Fusion and Parallels work very well with eGPU.

Largest hassle with eGPU is that the system logs out and back in when you disconnect, which is a real bother if you want to take your computer from your desk to your couch and have lots of apps open that are attached to eGPU. Otherwise, it works very well with my 2019 MBP and 4x PCI 3.1 lanes are plenty fast.

A great side benefit that I noticed when using VMs is when the system sucks down 100+ Watts CPU, plus GPU processing done on eGPU. You get additional performance out of your system which otherwise would heat-throttle the CPU and redirect half of the power to dGPU.
 
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A whole laptop with similar graphics is $1200 Canadian, see below...

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oof - on my last day to return the MBP 16... saved me the return, good thing I check this site often!
 
they will be an even greater monopoly and choices and prices will be premium...not worth it any more

Two points:
  1. It is silly to argue that Apple has anything like a monopoly in the Desktop/laptop markets. Depending on how it is calculated, their market share is under 10%.
  2. Apple’s margins have been remarkably consistent for years. That means that they charge, on average, about the same markup as they always have. What moving to ARM will give them is a premium CPU without having to pay Intel’s profit margin. This means they can deliver better machines at the same prices, or similarly spec’ed machines at lower prices and maintain the profit margin they have gotten for year. The idea that switching to their own design is what they need to boost prices is absurd.
 
look at RAZOR they have support for 2080 internal graphics at comparable pricing...I somehow doubt apple paid $875 Canadian for a mobile chip !! My 5700xt with 8 gigs cost me $550 Canadian when it was introduced. No way a mobile chip can compare to a card !!
What do you have your 5700 XT in?
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A whole laptop with similar graphics is $1200 Canadian, see below...

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What machine is this?
 
Pleased to hear this .... I bought my 2.3/64GB/2TB/8GB VRAM 16" as an Apple refurb with a £730 saving about a month ago. I'd never have bought this an an option, so I'm even more chuffed with my decision.
 
Oh cool I just bought my nearly maxed out 16” MBP about six weeks ago... Thanks Apple 🙃

The irony is that people who bought theirs from an Apple Retail Store back in March whose return periods ended during the COVID closure will still be able to return theirs when their retail stores reopen.
 
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