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Sorry if maybe I didn't get the irony here, but Wi-Fi 6 is about to begin in real life, actually.
Actually Wi-Fi 6E has already been ratified and the FCC has approved the frequency re-allocation

It’s 1.2GHz of new bandwidth that could be a game changer. Unfortunately, new hardware is required.



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if the 5600M is clocked slower ( but more CU (streams ) units ) and the HBM2 consumes less power then may not be a huge jump in battery consumptions. slower clocked but wider computation and feed data at a more power efficient rate would offset some the increase in active cores.

The HBM2 5600M isn't there, but AMDs "normal" 5700M , 5600M , 5500M ...

The 5500M has a higher clock rate. The 5600M listed there isn't the same as what Apple is using (Apple is the "Pro" version which may mean it is custom. ). The power consumption is incrementally higher, but probably not anywhere near 75% higher. ( especially if this is a "re-optimzed" 7nm+ implementation. )
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the "normal" 5600M runs with a lower memory bus width. 192-bits versus 256-bit witdh versus the 5700M .
Same number of units won't matter as much if can't feed them data fast enough.

With HBM2 though, it may be faster. ( depends upon the HBM2 implementation. Either about the same in overall bandwidth of regular 5600M or closer to that of the 5700M's with the wider bus). Lower power and less board space is probably the trade-off here.
 
But Thunderbolt 3 supports 40Gbps. What is the point of Thunderbolt 4 then?

Thunderbolt 4 ... pragmatically is probably going to turn out to be USB 4 with the Thunderbolt 3 parts not left out.
USB 4 adopts most of Thunderbolt 3 but makes fully implementing it optional. Thunderbolt 4 certification will be indicative that it didn't get left out to save a handful of bucks on system price. There is no speed increase, but if actually looking for it to be there in the system, then it is an substantive indicator.

( since supersetting USB 4 will get some USB modes that probably less folks use than Thunderbolt 3, but no faster. )
 
Actually Wi-Fi 6E has already been ratified and the FCC has approved the frequency re-allocation

It’s 1.2GHz of new bandwidth that could be a game changer. Unfortunately, new hardware is required.



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Yes, Wifi 6E is the real Wifi 6, as it has a 6ghz band. The purpose of Wifi 6E is in addition to it being a major upgrade over AC, it will operate seamlessly with home automation. The AC often chokes, which is why the automation pros(savant, crestron, control 4) exist in the first place.
 
Actually Wi-Fi 6E has already been ratified and the FCC has approved the frequency re-allocation

It’s 1.2GHz of new bandwidth that could be a game changer. Unfortunately, new hardware is required.



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So, just to be sure, devices that support Wi-Fi 6 (ex. iPhone 11) don't support Wi-Fi 6E?
 
Actually Wi-Fi 6E has already been ratified and the FCC has approved the frequency re-allocation

It’s 1.2GHz of new bandwidth that could be a game changer. Unfortunately, new hardware is required.

That in no way shape or form substantively makes Wifi 6 obsolete. Not even close. the 6GHz spectrum is going to penetrate even less walls than the 5GHz one did.
 
So, just to be sure, devices that support Wi-Fi 6 (ex. iPhone 11) don't support Wi-Fi 6E?
Yes, a Wi-Fi 6 device can’t utilize the new 6GHz band. A re-designed antenna and RF front end will be necessary. But 6E is backwards compatible with Wi-Fi 6.

Of course, new Wi-Fi 6E wireless routers/access points will be required on the infrastructure side for 6E clients to see any benefit.
 
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I bet Apple announces this new GPU upgrade for 700-800 dollars (depending on config), is their version of a gaming laptop. I just upgraded my 2015 15" rMBP to a base 16" rMBP and not even bothered by the price tag of the new GPU. However I wish Apple would have lowered the ram price from 16 to 32GB to $200.
 
The point of Wifi 6 is to increase density of devices, and density of competing networks. It has higher coding, but this is rarely achievable unless you are next to the AP. The real benefit will be seen in strip malls, multi-office buildings, apartment buildings, and convention centers. But all devices and AP have to support Wifi 6 to gain the benefits. Wifi 5 is here to stay for a number of years, and even most new commercial deployments is still happening in Wifi 5. Few commercially available Wifi 6 are out, yet. You are unlikely benefit from Wifi 6 on a Mac, specifically where the Macs already support 3x3 MIMO, permitting 50% more bandwidth.
 
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HBM2, nice. Insane memory bandwidth.

That would explain the huge cost increase.

That's going to be a pretty niche upgrade. I'd probably just take the $875 upgrade cost and buy an eGPU housing + Radeon VII if I needed performance.

Yup, nailed it. This is update is really only valuable to folks like me that are stuck on an overpriced 2019 15" with a butterfly keyboard (or earlier).
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How does it compare to nvidia gpu

It doesn't.
 
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€1.000 (incl. taxes) over here for upgrading the baseline MBP 16.

That is 3,5 times what you pay going from a 1650 ti to an RTX 2060 on the XPS 17.
 
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So I guess the MacBook Pro, was not that "Pro" that they have to charge an additional $800 to upgrade the graphics...

While the rest of the year-old parts have depreciated in value (should be a wash at no additional cost).
 


One week ahead of WWDC, Apple has released a new high-end graphics option for the 16-inch MacBook Pro. For an extra $700, the notebook can now be configured with AMD Radeon Pro 5600M graphics with 8GB of HBM2 memory.

Apple says the new 5600M graphics option is up to 75 percent faster than the base 5500M graphics for the 16-inch MacBook Pro, according to TechCrunch.

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Apple has also released user-installable SSD storage kits for the latest Mac Pro, with 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, and 8TB capacities available.

Article Link: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Now Available With Up to 75% Faster Radeon Pro 5600M Graphics

No WiFi 6 no thanks.
 
A whole laptop with similar graphics is $1200 Canadian, see below...

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hahahah... To be a similar laptop, the list has to have Risen 9 or 7, a minimum of 16 GB, a minimum of 512, a cool trackpad, 3K resolution screen, premium material, and OSX

If you campare other brands top of the line laptops (not the case of your list) with apple, MacBooks ares the best value option...
 
Price appears to be steep considering that you get for that money a high-end eGPU enclosure plus card, and have even more processing power if you need that. Though, looks like they lowered the price for the 5500M option, CPU 2.4 GHz upgrade, and RAM upgrades somewhat. Might be worth for those folks needing to edit 4k video on the go.

I am using eGPU since the Mojave days with a Vega 64 16GB card providing desktop level GPU performance. Nice thing is also, that it serves as a hub, only one cable to connect as it delivers power, and all monitors are connected directly to GPU card.

Are your monitors HDMI or DP? I'm looking for a solution my current setup (unfortunately HDMI).
 
I bet Apple announces this new GPU upgrade for 700-800 dollars (depending on config), is their version of a gaming laptop. I just upgraded my 2015 15" rMBP to a base 16" rMBP and not even bothered by the price tag of the new GPU. However I wish Apple would have lowered the ram price from 16 to 32GB to $200.

I guess you are right... I have a feeling that Apple will announce more than a Mac for gaming... The will bet hard in a game platform for Mac to compete in the juicy game industry...
 
Are your monitors HDMI or DP? I'm looking for a solution my current setup (unfortunately HDMI).
I use all DP monitors (BenQ), but use HDMI in conference rooms and when connecting MBP to TV. 34" in 4k is really nice for standard office work. Lots of screen real-estate.
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I guess you are right... I have a feeling that Apple will announce more than a Mac for gaming... The will bet hard in a game platform for Mac to compete in the juicy game industry...
You can do significantly better by using a Wintel based desktop for gaming, or wait for the RDNA2 based game consoles EOY. Also, do not forget that Valve dropped support for SteamVR for OS X. You do not buy a Mac for gaming.
 
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Two other considerations I haven't seen mentioned here:
  1. Given the macOS release cycle is always most stable when they've moved on to the next release, this update will give buyers an option to install 10.15.6 on a new MBP Pro in Aug/Sept and run that indefinitely (safe to assume 10.16.0 will be a mess for at least 6 months or more)
  2. Will there be an Oct/Nov update? The past 2 years, that update has come in the form of a GPU bump... which is this.
So, if someone has a 2019 16", there's not much reason to upgrade (if at all). If someone like me has a 2019 15", the sweet spot to buy looks like after WWDC announcements and before 10.16 is released.

Notes:
  • Myself and most of my colleagues perpetually run macOS a full release cycle behind, so that's a must-have consideration for us in a hardware purchase
    • Furthermore, a lot of our apps play catchup for 3-6 months because of all the changes that Apple makes in each release that don't necessarily appear in the betas
  • Catalina killed 32-bit apps, so a lot of us are hanging out on Mojave as long as possible
    • Plus Catalina is still a mess until the .6 and subsequent myriad maintenance updates fix all the bugs they've been putting off fixing because they prioritized releasing new features over fixing bugs
 
Great! Now give me back my SD card slot, USB ports, and everything else that makes the Pro not a Pro and I'll buy one.

Apple‘s solution is “there’s a dongle“ for that. They want their machines to look pretty for marketing, to heck with usability. If they would just let us have upgradable ram and storage for devices, it wouldn’t be so bad
 
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