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16-Inch MacBook Pro Possibly Referenced in macOS Catalina 10.15.1 Beta
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I just noticed something. Check out the GIF back & forth that's been posted. Given the 16-inch is bigger, the shadow underneath it should be bigger, right? It doesn't change at all. It's the same as the 15-inch's.
You can see from a larger still shot, the shadow just doesn't go to the edge on the 16-inch like it should. Hmmm.
You can see from a larger still shot, the shadow just doesn't go to the edge on the 16-inch like it should. Hmmm.
The thumbnail makes the 16" look like an ultimate apology product. It doesn't look any thinner, adds the escape button, no visual changes, all look good to me.
I have no need for a screen with rounded corners, those mockups look ridiculous to me, I don't see what added functionality that would offer.
I have no need for a screen with rounded corners, those mockups look ridiculous to me, I don't see what added functionality that would offer.
Nope, of course.
16" MacBook Pro, or coincidentally, maybe also MacBookPro16,x.
All the 2018 and current 2019 MacBook Pros are MacBookPro15,x and all the 2017 MacBook Pros are MacBookPro14,x.
The new 16" MacBook Pro would get the MacBookPro16,x moniker because it gets a form factor and Touch Bar change with physical escape key.
Or maybe you are looking at the image too closely and maybe Apple designers didn't think about changing the shadow to match the new laptop...
After all, this particular image is going to be used as an icon to tell the two laptop models apart in lists and not going to be analyzed this closely, practically speaking...
If the event is to be held on the 29th, Tuesday is the last day for invites.
Nobody here is getting information directly from Apple. Though the possibility of an event is looking less likely with each passing day, nobody can say that it won't happen nor will products be launched silently without an event.
Nobody here is getting information directly from Apple. Though the possibility of an event is looking less likely with each passing day, nobody can say that it won't happen nor will products be launched silently without an event.
3072×1920 resolution would kind of suck. That would mean that even the default scaled resolution (effectively 1680x1050) on the current 15" MBP would still be scaled on the 16". To have the same screen real estate as the current 15" at real retina resolution it would have to be 3360x2100.
3360x2100 would be acceptable but a bit underwhelming. 3840x2400 would be preferable, but that might leave things a bit too small at retina resolution for most people. Best would be if they went with a non-common 16:10 resolution like 3520x2200 but that is very unlikely.
I fully expect we will get a disappointing 3072×1920.
3360x2100 would be acceptable but a bit underwhelming. 3840x2400 would be preferable, but that might leave things a bit too small at retina resolution for most people. Best would be if they went with a non-common 16:10 resolution like 3520x2200 but that is very unlikely.
I fully expect we will get a disappointing 3072×1920.
It seems likely the MBP 16 will be released this fall with little fanfare. It wouldn’t be the first time Apple has released a nice-but-not-revolutionary new MacBook with no event, just private sessions with select journalists who get to play with it for a week or two under embargo before it launches. In fact I bet John Gruber has one already.
That could very well happen. All indications are that the MBP has been in production for weeks now. The icon appearing in the latest beta is no fluke.
The only things that still screams "event" are: new iPad Pros, new AirPods, iTrackers and possibly a new Apple TV. There are enough things here to fill a 90 minute event.
What you’re saying is true if it’s 16.4” or 16.5”. But if it’s ~16”, 3072x1920 is perfect “retina” resolution with no scaling.
Seems like this model is about fixing what Apple sees as the biggest flaws in the current 15.4” model:
- no scaling at default resolution
- no more butterfly keys
- physical escape key
It’s not going to have everything we wish for, like no annoying touchbar etc. It’s clearly going to be more of a refining & fixing-flaws product. Probably with a few changes to price and configurations too. Possibly slightly higher power GPU explaining the 96W power adapter. But no changes big enough that Apple sees as event-worthy.
For some of us it’ll be just what we’re waiting for. For others hoping for bigger changes it’ll be a disappointment.
But a product that’s focused on refining what’s come before rather than reinventing is often Apple at its best. A product that ends up standing the test of time, even if not perfect.
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Hey Apple, if you are listening:
1. Bring back the scissor keyboard style. You’ve doubled down on the butterfly mechanism for way to long!
2. Make a MagSafe 3 port, it was a great design!
3. Bring back the ethernet port that professionals use and need.
4. Bring back the HDMI port that we all used and loved.
5. Give us some USB Type A ports we still need and use. The world hasn’t jumped over to all USB-C yet like you thought it would. We don’t want to carry a pocket full of adapters for the most basic tasks on a Pro device.
6. Stop making it so thin, no one asked for thin. For too long you’ve “made it pretty” and went “form over function.”
7. Provide better graphic performance and better cooling.
8. Give us a reasonable size trackpad, no one asked for a trackpad the size of Texas.
9. Bring back the option of no Touch Bar. It would be great to see no Touch Bar on a 16” MacBook Pro. Customers love them or hate them, give us the option to not have one please!
10. No one likes the bottom case removal procedures, not even technicians. Redesign it as those clips are terrible...
Take what you’ve learned in desgn flaws in the 2016 - 2019 MacBook Pro and revisit the desgn of the 2015 15” MacBook and ask yourself “how do make this computer better and updated but not completely ruin the design.” In 2016 you threw the baby out with the bath water then doubled down on it year after year.
1. Bring back the scissor keyboard style. You’ve doubled down on the butterfly mechanism for way to long!
2. Make a MagSafe 3 port, it was a great design!
3. Bring back the ethernet port that professionals use and need.
4. Bring back the HDMI port that we all used and loved.
5. Give us some USB Type A ports we still need and use. The world hasn’t jumped over to all USB-C yet like you thought it would. We don’t want to carry a pocket full of adapters for the most basic tasks on a Pro device.
6. Stop making it so thin, no one asked for thin. For too long you’ve “made it pretty” and went “form over function.”
7. Provide better graphic performance and better cooling.
8. Give us a reasonable size trackpad, no one asked for a trackpad the size of Texas.
9. Bring back the option of no Touch Bar. It would be great to see no Touch Bar on a 16” MacBook Pro. Customers love them or hate them, give us the option to not have one please!
10. No one likes the bottom case removal procedures, not even technicians. Redesign it as those clips are terrible...
Take what you’ve learned in desgn flaws in the 2016 - 2019 MacBook Pro and revisit the desgn of the 2015 15” MacBook and ask yourself “how do make this computer better and updated but not completely ruin the design.” In 2016 you threw the baby out with the bath water then doubled down on it year after year.
No, it's not and never has been.
Standard Resolution on 15" is 1920x1080 these days. If you want to go retina, you're supposed to double the resolution, i.e. UHD.
The 13" has an equivalent resolution of 1280x800
The 15" has an equivalent resolution of 1440x900
So, in other words, to display the same content as on a FHD panel you will have an odd scaling of 1.5 (2880/1920).
It wouldn't make much sense since the desktop area would have to be 1536x960 for a 3072x1920 panel at perfect retina, and the default resolution on the current MBPs is 1680x1050 (scaled). Why would they have less screen real estate (by default) on the 16" compared to the 15"? My guess the 16" will also have scaled resolution by default and not prefect retina (unfortunately).
Instead of 13,9" or 14" machine with more square screen aspect ratio like Xiaomi Mi Notebook or MS Surface perfect for word typing or coding we will get another colossus with ancient Intel processors. Who wants to handle 16" machine to work or on study? 4 cores Ice Lake with integrated GPU on Vega level would be perfect choice for thin aluminium body.
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1/4" from each corner and still the possibility of a new keyboard or old and improved keyboard that people will still complain and say that they like the butterfly keyboard better. 😤 Hmmmm. Refurbished 2015 is looking pretty good at this point. Have to see what Timmy and the boys do. No annoucements of a gathering so maybe it won't be for a while
The “disappointing” resolution of 3072x1920 (1536x960@2x) has everything to do with Apple maintaining a ~220 DPI and equate to a 16.4” display to maintain that. The 3840x2400 resolution would work if Apple were going for a true 17” Macbook Pro replacement. They are also sizing the resolution and the screen to what the battery can realistically handle and provide the hours of operations that they are going to tout In the Specs and Marketing for the computer.
I suspect that if Apple goes full-on Pro with Xeon and ECC DRAM, that we may also see an XDR Display with closer to 600 nits of sustained brightness and 1000 nits peak, but I don’t want to go too far out on a limb.
Disappointing is only in your mind.
There's ways to make a point without being nasty to other folks.
- Scissors mechanism coming back is already the big draw for this model.
- No Magsafe, not unless they have integrated it with USB-C somehow.
- Buy a dock or a dongle, the Ethernet port had it’s day and its gone.
- I used my HDMI port exactly twice on my 2012 and 2015 MacBook Pros. Ditto for my work 2015. If it’s feasible, then HDMI 2.0 would be useful, but it’s not essential.
- Nope, no more damn USB-A, buy an adapter or buy a new cable. The world has moved on and we’re not going backwards.
- I love the thinness of my 2016, but a bit thicker to help cool the CPU and make it more performant would be fine. Nothing thicker than the 2015.
- Yes, I agree. The Vega 16/20 are adequate, but mobile Navi is my hope for this 16” MBP.
- Reduce the size about 20%, but nothing as small as the 2015 Trackpad.
- Nope, TouchBar stays. Learn to love it. It’s incredibly useful, but Apple has done a sh*t job of really showing Pros what it’s capable of. Dumb Fn keys are a waste of time and space.
- Really, the bottom case? Yeah, there’s zero reason to remove the bottom case as there are no user serviceable parts in the MBP. Why is this even on the list?
Yes, but it was preannounced long before that. Apple is unlikely to do a PR event in Dec.
With the impending debut of AppleTV+ methinks that any focus on maintaining 220 ppi is, quite simply, sniffing down the wrong trail here. I've got to believe that Apple does not want to showcase their new TV+ service on their own computers with their now-dated, meager 500 nit max displays. The upcoming hardware releases, IMHO, are going to be all about resolution, brightness, HDR and, of course, speed. All certainly worthy of a full scale rollout event at some point, I should think, especially with the impending holiday season soon to be upon us.
While the Pro XDR Display will be providing 1000(sustained)/1600(max) nits brightness @ only 218ppi, methinks Apple tipped-their-hand a bit with that announcement in letting the world know that their "next big thing" was HDR display (research and) technology.
I feel that they further tipped-that-hand as the new iPhone Pros are delivering 800(max typical)/1200(max HDR) nits @ 458ppi, so it should not be any stretch to imagine a full 4K (4096x2160) 16" MBP display coming in at around 350ppi (rough estimate by my math, ha!) with similar or better nit performance. The way I'm seeing things is that the next hardware releases are all going to be about enjoying their latest AppleTV+, on the go, at resolutions and brightness-levels well-beyond what their competitor's can deliver on their hardware. "That's where the puck is going", IMHO.
Add to that...
My new Panasonic Lumix S1 can shoot both stills and video with Wide Color Gamuts and >10-bit HDR but I have no way to view, work with, or enjoy that content at it's intended brightness and color spaces short of plugging the camera into an HDR HLG-compliant TV. It's a real-life problem that needs immediate solving both for content creators (read: video/photo editors) and for your average consumer who is now getting their hands on this level of image/video capturing technology. That HDR "puck" is already in the net with no way to accurately "work with it" or "enjoy it properly" on any Macs.
Watching Apple's latest releases with AppleTV+, Apple Arcade, Metal API FCPX, Mac Pro w/ XDR Pro, iPhone 11 Pro, I'm feeling confident that the folks at Cupertino have been R&Ding "the HDR content creation and delivery problem" for some time now and that we're beginning to see those products that solve that roll out. A 16", 4K, 1000-nit, HDR display, MBP is my thinking...hoping the same for iMac's and iPad Pro's soon to follow!
Well, that's how I'm calling it.
I think and hope you’re right on the HDR, but sadly wrong on the 4K. But dynamic range much more important anyway.With the impending debut of AppleTV+ methinks that any focus on maintaining 220 ppi is, quite simply, sniffing down the wrong trail here. I've got to believe that Apple does not want to showcase their new TV+ service on their own computers with their now-dated, meager 500 nit max displays. The upcoming hardware releases, IMHO, are going to be all about resolution, brightness, HDR and, of course, speed. All certainly worthy of a full scale rollout event at some point, I should think, especially with the impending holiday season soon to be upon us.
While the Pro XDR Display will be providing 1000(sustained)/1600(max) nits brightness @ only 218ppi, methinks Apple tipped-their-hand a bit with that announcement in letting the world know that their "next big thing" was HDR display (research and) technology.
I feel that they further tipped-that-hand as the new iPhone Pros are delivering 800(max typical)/1200(max HDR) nits @ 458ppi, so it should not be any stretch to imagine a full 4K (4096x2160) 16" MBP display coming in at around 350ppi (rough estimate by my math, ha!) with similar or better nit performance. The way I'm seeing things is that the next hardware releases are all going to be about enjoying their latest AppleTV+, on the go, at resolutions and brightness-levels well-beyond what their competitor's can deliver on their hardware. "That's where the puck is going", IMHO.
Add to that...
My new Panasonic Lumix S1 can shoot both stills and video with Wide Color Gamuts and >10-bit HDR but I have no way to view, work with, or enjoy that content at it's intended brightness and color spaces short of plugging the camera into an HDR HLG-compliant TV. It's a real-life problem that needs immediate solving both for content creators (read: video/photo editors) and for your average consumer who is now getting their hands on this level of image/video capturing technology. That HDR "puck" is already in the net with no way to accurately "work with it" or "enjoy it properly" on any Macs.
Watching Apple's latest releases with AppleTV+, Apple Arcade, Metal API FCPX, Mac Pro w/ XDR Pro, iPhone 11 Pro, I'm feeling confident that the folks at Cupertino have been R&Ding "the HDR content creation and delivery problem" for some time now and that we're beginning to see those products that solve that roll out. A 16", 4K, 1000-nit, HDR display, MBP is my thinking...hoping the same for iMac's and iPad Pro's soon to follow!
Well, that's how I'm calling it.