They have my attention. They could lose it if the price is insane.
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They have my attention. They could lose it if the price is insane.
There are no Ice Lake 45w chips - unless you want to go backwards to a 28w quad-core with relatively low clock speeds (a lot of the 28w is GPU), you're stuck with 14nm++++ in the MBP 15" or 16" (as is every user of high-end 15"+ notebooks from any vendor). Not only that, but the next generation at 45w (mid-2020) is Comet Lake (14nm+++++), and it's even possible that the mid-2021 generation will be Rocket Lake (14nm++++++). Desktop chips aren't expected to see 10nm until late 2021 or early 2022, since they have to go through both Comet Lake and Rocket Lake first, and Comet Lake is clearly on the roadmap for the 45w notebook chips with Rocket Lake possible.
As for the price (it's not going to start anywhere near $8k by the way - under $3500 for a nicely configured model (something like i9/16/1TB/Vega 20) - extra $200 for 32 GB RAM), all the 15" slim workstation notebooks can get very expensive with lots of RAM and storage.
Many of the others do start under $2000, because they're available with quad-core i5s, or with 1920x1080 screens, or with 8 GB of RAM. Getting the latest HP zBook Studio up to the specs the upper-end MBP can reach is around $6000 with 4 TB of storage and 32 GB of RAM (same i9-9980HK as the Mac, NVidia Quadro P2000 that is substantially slower than the Vega 20). It can have 64 GB of RAM, and that's $6600. The Lenovo P1 is about $500-$1000 more expensive in the same configuration (also goes to 64 GB of RAM). Both HP and Lenovo offer dual SSD slots, but the only way to 4 TB is 2x2TB, so both slots are full.
The best deal is the Dell Precision 5540, which reaches about $4300, but with only 2 TB of fast SSD - the only further expansion option is SATA, and Dell only offers spinning drives for that slot, although a user could put in a SATA SSD themselves. It's almost exactly the same price as the 15" MacBook Pro, but without the expensive option to go to 4 TB.
No matter what configuration you choose, if they can reach a comparable configuration, the Mac will be cheaper than a Lenovo P1, a little cheaper than a ZBook Studio, and within $100-$200 of a Dell 5540. You can get the others cheaper, but only by omitting things that are standard on the Mac.
Don't compare the MacBook Pro to 6-8 lb gaming machines with cheap displays - they can have the same CPU and comparable or better GPUs for less money - but they aren't anywhere near as usable outside of games. The Razer Blade is a different story, but that's well into the MBP 15" price range, and has lousy storage options - 512GB is the top option - you can have a GeForce RTX 2080 and a 4K OLED (!!!) screen, but you get a 512GB SSD with that... Their new Studio models will probably fix that, but expect to pay...
Where Apple can be criticized on price isn't that their high-end configurations are too expensive - they're close to parity with Dell (with one extra odd option), slightly cheaper than HP and substantially cheaper than Lenovo. They offer different tradeoffs than Razer, but comparable pricing. It's that they offer no entry to a notebook with a screen larger than 13" under $2299. Anyone else will sell you an upper-midrange 15" notebook with either a 6-core CPU but integrated graphics or a quad-core with a low-end discrete GPU (and a decent screen) in the $1500-$2000 range.
I suspect Apple's response to this problem (if they're not simply blind to it) will be to release a 15" MacBook Air (or maybe they'll call it a 15" MacBook). Even thinner and lighter than the Pro (3-3.5 lbs), 28W Ice Lake quad-core with decent integrated GPU, starts at $1999 (maybe they'll give up some integrated GPU performance and use a 15-25 W Ice Lake CPU in a $1699-$1799 model). Base configuration is something like 16/256 if it's $1999, maybe 8/256 at $1699.
When that comes out, the 15" Pro goes away, and the base 16" Pro is something like $2499 or $2599. The 16" Pro this fall is not going to be that base model - it's going to be a generously configured ~$3299 and up model, with the 15" Pro remaining as the option below that until next Spring/Summer. The 16" will probably top out around $6000 (9980HK/64GB/4TB/Vega 20 (or better)) - unless they offer an 8TB storage option, which could create the mythical $8K notebook - but it would be something like a $5200 notebook maxed out in every way except storage (9980HK/64GB/2TB/Vega 20) with a $2800 SSD!
They have my attention. They could lose it if the price is insane.
wrong aspect ratio. 16:10 is better for work. 16:9 is better for netflix.
you wrote the post I can never be bothered writing.
Have a look at the HP Zbook 15 G6 prices with the new Quadro RTX GPU. Super pricey.
The Lenovo P1 is better priced however than an equivelant 15" MBP i9 32gb 1tb Vega 20. An equivalent spec here [I7 6 core not i9 but way better GPU] is $900 less.
i told you before..based on scaling and resolution , its not 16" but around 16.4"I'm curios, why 16 when there is already a 15.6?
Why not go to 17 if its aim is for content creators? 17" + 1440p + OLED + 144Hz
Well, one possibility is a 15" frame with thin bezel. In that case what will happen to 15 line up?
Too bad for no 45w icelake since it supports LPDDR4 so better battery life and also almost 50% boost in iGPU...
I wonder if it'll be an event or if they will announce it by just updating the website.
Okay.i told you before..based on scaling and resolution , its not 16" but around 16.4"
Okay.
But is it justifiable? I mean, a 1 inch bump for a much expensive price tag? I still think 17" on a thin bezel should be considered an upgrade from 15.6 not 16.4.
Since the resolution is higher...a better iGPU for macOS Catalina UI would be nice...remember first 15" retina MBP...so doesnt matter the dGPU in catalina UIMBP has dedicated graphic so build in one is not deal breaker. Would be nice but...
we dont know yet the price tag....maybe it will be 2499$ starting with 512 ssd, 16 gb ram, 6C , maybe the first mac with faceID, proper keyboard and proper thermals..Okay.
But is it justifiable? I mean, a 1 inch bump for a much expensive price tag? I still think 17" on a thin bezel should be considered an upgrade from 15.6 not 16.4.
The only real reason for this is to get lower priced 3rd party upgrades.
I haven't wanted or needed to open up my computer since 2012 and yes I am a 'pro' who used to build their own computers.
If Apple went down this route and changed their designs in such a way that it
1. allowed ram and ssd upgrades
2. fully utilised CPU via better cooling
then I will be buying a PC workstation with an Nvidia GPU in it. All other benefits would have gone out the window - ie a super portable near workstation laptop, which the MBP currently is.
You buy desktops for power and laptops for portability. Trying to have both in a laptop either means overheating / lack of portability or some other compromise.
The only real reason for this is to get lower priced 3rd party upgrades.
I haven't wanted or needed to open up my computer since 2012 and yes I am a 'pro' who used to build their own computers.
If Apple went down this route and changed their designs in such a way that it
1. allowed ram and ssd upgrades
2. fully utilised CPU via better cooling
then I will be buying a PC workstation with an Nvidia GPU in it. All other benefits would have gone out the window - ie a super portable near workstation laptop, which the MBP currently is.
You buy desktops for power and laptops for portability. Trying to have both in a laptop either means overheating / lack of portability or some other compromise.
If they get rid of that underutilized half-baked touch bar they can lower the price by $300.
I miss the days when you could buy a new 15.4 MBP for $1999.
If this doesn’t have a refresh rate of 144hz it is trash computer. I’m a speed runner so I am a true professional and so far this doesn’t sound professional
But is it justifiable? I mean, a 1 inch bump for a much expensive price tag? I still think 17" on a thin bezel should be considered an upgrade from 15.6 not 16.4.
Okay.
But is it justifiable? I mean, a 1 inch bump for a much expensive price tag? I still think 17" on a thin bezel should be considered an upgrade from 15.6 not 16.4.
we all want an 27" macbook pro laptopYou are quibbling about 1cm extra Top and side to create a overall much bigger laptop in volume and weight. Or you keep the same and get bonus screen res.
Hell I wan’t a 19” laptop.
yes, i think Apple missed the opportunity to do something new...i mean instead of releasing the big one but with the last gen cpu, Apple could made the first redesign with the smaller one, an 14" where we already have the new Icelake cpu 15W and 25W with LPddr4 , double the igpu performance and so on...I'm far more interested in a 14" upgrade to the 13" with same size and weight but less bezels. Throw in 120hz display and that would be heaven.
I don't see any benefit having a 120hz display for browsing, watching movies and editing documents. If 13" or your 14" comes with a discreet graphics not an Intel HD graphics then 120Hz might be useful.I'm far more interested in a 14" upgrade to the 13" with same size and weight but less bezels. Throw in 120hz display and that would be heaven.
Given they have a whole bunch of folks saying "Shut up and take my money" (see this thread for example) they know they can do that and get away with it. Any company would love to have blind fanboys like that... it'd be like McDs offering a new "Pro Fries" that gives you 5 more french fries for $2 extra.All I can say is if this thing is going to start at $3000, it would be a shame if it was the same starting configuration as the current 15” model.
It's a major advantage that it's *not* 4K. 4K means more power consumption for no real gain. At the expected viewing distance, the pixels are sufficiently small. Any more and it's a waste. Apple is the only producer of laptops that seems to get this, and I'm very, very happy that they've chosen their less-than-4k-but-more-than-1440p resolution.At this rate. I might buy this laptop before I upgrade my I Phone 8. But seriously, why couldn't the display be native 4K?
They have my attention. They could lose it if the price is insane.