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17" MacBook Pro to be Updated "In a Few Months"?
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I too hope that Apple uses the extra space on the 17" MBP to add more ports. Hopefully 2 Firewire 3200 ports on the left side instead of 1 Firewire 800 and an extra USB2.0 port on the right side beside the optical drive.
This would be an interesting story if the Apple store salesman wasn't feeding them a complete line of bullc**p. Where does all this color accuracy myth come from.
People the displays are identical, they emit the exact same color ranges. The LED backlights are much brighter and color saturation, hue, and white balance are the same.
The only difference between glossy and matte is the finish. One finish smears the light to reduce reflections, the other is a clear coat that passes and reflects light undisturbed.
You can calibrate both displays. The colors are equally as accurate. I am a pro user. I have used the MBA glossy and the MBP matte LED backlit displays. Both are easily calibrated. I routinely calibrate displays and output to an Epson 9800 Photo Stylus Large Format printer. The results are stunning.
Choosing matte or glossy is a personal preference like the color of shoes that you wear. You may not like switching colors of shoes but once you do, you get used to it and it is no big deal.
It is irritating when you read these posts that glossy is cheap and unprofessional. That isn't true. Pros use both on an equal basis.
If a matte display is so important, then just get your screen treated by a professional or buy a piece or matte micro channel static film.
The fact is you are not going to be getting matte laptops from Apple anytime soon and there are very few PC vendors offering matte displays as well.
In fact if you look around. Almost all of the high end HDTV displays, plasma and LCD are going without the matte finish to improve contrast, brightness, sharpness. The matte smears not only the reflected light but the transmitted light as well.
A depression is when the economy contracts 10%. A recession is when the economy contracts in at least two consecutive quarters. Neither has happened yet.
Uhhhh....
"Thus the anti-glare films are not recommended for color critical applications."
That's from the photodon website. SO, they're cute cover isn't an option. Matte from Apple is the only option. They need to have both versions, but they can't, you just can't have one with glass and one without, having just a glass trim on the bezel wouldn't work.
YES!!!
Here's hoping to Apple keeping the 17" MacBook Pro a real professional machine with the speedy ports that we love so much. Or hopefully they will at least add eSATA to the case standard if not an extra FW800 port.
By adaptor you mean a 9 pin FW to 4 pin FW cable right?
FW is by far the most adaptable connection system we have to date, being completely backward compatible. USB and eSATA just can't compare, save for the speed of eSATA.
Digitalbiker thanks for being another advocate for true photo toning. The hype that people are spitting about glossy displays being this and that in the photo and color critical world is getting quite annoying. But as I said, this is what you get when you have 80% of photogs learning their trade from Internet forums and "________ for Dummies" series.
I agree.
I bet Apple does include either 2 FW800 ports, or 1 FW800 & 1 eSata on the 17 inch machine.
I think Apple just ran out of space on the left side of the laptop for another connector. The 17 " should have a little more room.
Good point, when you look at the MOBO/IO for the 17" MBP (current) there's barely enough room for what they have currently. I hope they don't just put another USB port on the side like they have done for the past few years with the MBP.
Have you been to the Apple Store yet to see the new MBPs?
Ohhh man these babies are sweet. Much more impressive in real life than in photos.
The torsional rigidity of the frame and the display stiffness being all glass. Just give a whole new feel to these machines. Also the precision cut keyboard is really impressive.
The graphics seem much faster to me. The new Nvidia cards make Aperture and Logic feel at least twice as fast as before.
I immediately went online and placed an order for the 15" MBP 2.8 GHz 4GB ram. I love this machine. I'll bet the 17 inch will be even nicer but I couldn't wait any longer.
Now I can hardly wait for snow leopard as I bet these babies will really perform well once the GPUs are optimized.
information on 17" delay
I have a contact at Apple's executive level through some extensive personal and business purchases I've made from the company. I had a phone conversation with him yesterday and received some information about the delay of the 17".
Apparently the 17" was actually the first new MacBook Pro to be designed, and its revision was somewhat more radical than what was ultimately released for the 15" and Macbook. The prototype 17" was overall very similar to the new 15", but the keyboard included a number pad, and the "chicklet" keys were actually raised above the casing instead of being placed flush with the casing. Apple designed a system so that when the screen was closed, the keys would lower into the body, but when the screen was open they would be raised above. The prototype 17" unfortunately had serious problems with this mechanism, so the 15" and Macbook were subsequently designed with a more traditional keyboard. Apple didn't have time revise the new 17", causing the delay. Apparently the raised keyboard has been abandoned, but the new 17" will indeed have a number pad, and will generally be in line with the new computers released this week as expected.
I have a contact at Apple's executive level through some extensive personal and business purchases I've made from the company. I had a phone conversation with him yesterday and received some information about the delay of the 17".
Apparently the 17" was actually the first new MacBook Pro to be designed, and its revision was somewhat more radical than what was ultimately released for the 15" and Macbook. The prototype 17" was overall very similar to the new 15", but the keyboard included a number pad, and the "chicklet" keys were actually raised above the casing instead of being placed flush with the casing. Apple designed a system so that when the screen was closed, the keys would lower into the body, but when the screen was open they would be raised above. The prototype 17" unfortunately had serious problems with this mechanism, so the 15" and Macbook were subsequently designed with a more traditional keyboard. Apple didn't have time revise the new 17", causing the delay. Apparently the raised keyboard has been abandoned, but the new 17" will indeed have a number pad, and will generally be in line with the new computers released this week as expected.
Just ordered my MBP
So i have been a mac user for 15 years now, going back to our old school apples and since my mom ran the computer lab we always wanted to keep up with times to we always bought the newest models of macs that came out and have their been alot of great changes over the years. I finally ordered my own Mac Book Pro fully loaded with every of the few options on their well besides the ssd because its not big enough. This will be my first personal mac ever I did switch to pc's when i bought my own computers because I wanted to build them but what a mistake, i believe that mistake makes me realize how much more i want this mac.
I really do not know why people complain so much about the features they take out and dont include. They obviously have reasons for doing so, blue ray as of right now over rated, its cheaper and more effecient a time capsule for example if backing up or extra storage is what your looking for and that you dont even need disks that still cost a crap load to buy. Give it time and when apple does see it suitable for the company to take it on they will. Firewire another issue if you need it spend the little extra dough and get a pro, thats why they did it because mostly people that need firewire use the pro its just an extra thing on most laptops, most ports people will not use, I know at least 10 people that have the black/white macbooks and never used the firewire or dvi ports and no more than one usb if that. Thats another reason the Air is so nice which I probably would have gotten if it was up to par with the pro and had that glossy glass screen that finishes the touch that everybody complains about, it a new display that glossy and matte should not back a different and its not just a film they would have to change they would need a different screen, you couldnt get that look with the glass on the matte. If glare is the issue, there is going to be some company that tries to make a anti glare film soon garunteed.
I do not want to step on toes but really apple has their reasons for doing what they doing and they have been doing pretty good so far. Also people need to stop judging a machine before using it, there are so many posts that people are whining about stuff on it and never used it. I just hope soon in the new laptop sections when poeple get more hands on and get more open minded we start seeing more positive comments then negatives, thats all
So i have been a mac user for 15 years now, going back to our old school apples and since my mom ran the computer lab we always wanted to keep up with times to we always bought the newest models of macs that came out and have their been alot of great changes over the years. I finally ordered my own Mac Book Pro fully loaded with every of the few options on their well besides the ssd because its not big enough. This will be my first personal mac ever I did switch to pc's when i bought my own computers because I wanted to build them but what a mistake, i believe that mistake makes me realize how much more i want this mac.
I really do not know why people complain so much about the features they take out and dont include. They obviously have reasons for doing so, blue ray as of right now over rated, its cheaper and more effecient a time capsule for example if backing up or extra storage is what your looking for and that you dont even need disks that still cost a crap load to buy. Give it time and when apple does see it suitable for the company to take it on they will. Firewire another issue if you need it spend the little extra dough and get a pro, thats why they did it because mostly people that need firewire use the pro its just an extra thing on most laptops, most ports people will not use, I know at least 10 people that have the black/white macbooks and never used the firewire or dvi ports and no more than one usb if that. Thats another reason the Air is so nice which I probably would have gotten if it was up to par with the pro and had that glossy glass screen that finishes the touch that everybody complains about, it a new display that glossy and matte should not back a different and its not just a film they would have to change they would need a different screen, you couldnt get that look with the glass on the matte. If glare is the issue, there is going to be some company that tries to make a anti glare film soon garunteed.
I do not want to step on toes but really apple has their reasons for doing what they doing and they have been doing pretty good so far. Also people need to stop judging a machine before using it, there are so many posts that people are whining about stuff on it and never used it. I just hope soon in the new laptop sections when poeple get more hands on and get more open minded we start seeing more positive comments then negatives, thats all
How useful are 3.0GHz processor, 8GB RAM and Dual Hard Drives to you Digital Skunk on the 17" MacBook Pro?
That sounds pretty useful to anyone who wants to work with RAW photos in Photoshop and Aperture at the same time with a few large files open. And it sounds pretty future proof for anyone in a media/arts profession.
That's the biggest load of bullcrap I've heard.
Right up there with Steve had a heart attack.
Oh, and there will be NO Esata on the MBP 17.
Rumorpeople have been saying Apple would add Esata to Mac Pro, and Macbook Pro.
It's not going to happen, at least not anytime soon.
If anything would get Esata it would be the Xserve first.
I think apple still adequately caters for the professional, it's just that the majority of machines are powerful enough for both professionals and consumers.
My prediction is as follows:
17" will be killed off in the same way as the 12". Instead they are concentrating on the 13" and 15", which probably outsell the 17" greatly.
Instead the ultimate professional solution is to get a new cinema display for the desk, combined with a 15" for portability.
Frankly 17" computers are a royal pain in the ass to carry around, and are rarely carried around - they spend most of their time on a desk hooked up to monitors, so whats the point?
The 15" is the perfect compromise; powerful when rigged up, portable when out and about. 17" laptops are dead. Applause to apple to notice this.
Mac mini:
Will be updated when blu-ray is sorted. the next mac mini may be a hybrid of apple tv and mini. Maybe not. I have a mini hooked up to my TV. Next mini will have HMDI out as standard.
Glossy screens:
The LED backlighting is a lot brighter these days, you can see the screen no trouble under most conditions. Not sure how they are going to "matte" a glass screen, so doubt this will happen. Frankly it does give you better colours and you can see when your boss is looking at your screen... bonus!
mac pro:
no change
imac:
no change
My prediction is as follows:
17" will be killed off in the same way as the 12". Instead they are concentrating on the 13" and 15", which probably outsell the 17" greatly.
Instead the ultimate professional solution is to get a new cinema display for the desk, combined with a 15" for portability.
Frankly 17" computers are a royal pain in the ass to carry around, and are rarely carried around - they spend most of their time on a desk hooked up to monitors, so whats the point?
The 15" is the perfect compromise; powerful when rigged up, portable when out and about. 17" laptops are dead. Applause to apple to notice this.
Mac mini:
Will be updated when blu-ray is sorted. the next mac mini may be a hybrid of apple tv and mini. Maybe not. I have a mini hooked up to my TV. Next mini will have HMDI out as standard.
Glossy screens:
The LED backlighting is a lot brighter these days, you can see the screen no trouble under most conditions. Not sure how they are going to "matte" a glass screen, so doubt this will happen. Frankly it does give you better colours and you can see when your boss is looking at your screen... bonus!
mac pro:
no change
imac:
no change
Two words: Quad Core
My bet is that the next 17" MacBook Pro will introduce the forthcoming Intel Quad Core CPUs for notebooks, and the next 24" iMac model will get that very same Quad Core technology.
Since those CPUs are not yet available, Apple has simply delayed the upgrade of the 17" MacBook Pro.
My bet is that the next 17" MacBook Pro will introduce the forthcoming Intel Quad Core CPUs for notebooks, and the next 24" iMac model will get that very same Quad Core technology.
Since those CPUs are not yet available, Apple has simply delayed the upgrade of the 17" MacBook Pro.
I don't agree with all your points, but I do think that the 15'' MacBook Pro was far more popular than the 17'' model. Just like how the 80 GB iPod classic was far more popular than the 160 GB model, there is only so big that most people want a notebook.
In those days you were paying $30 for cable, $20 for internet, and cell phones were novelties. Now you're paying $60 for cable, 40 for internet, and about $80 on your cell phone. Might I also add that the economy was good and PC notebooks weren't cheap either.
Not to derail, but does anyone here remember $10,000 IIfx' and $7900 IIci's?
That puts all of this into perspective.
The tech is cheaper these days, but Apple is trying to get some R & D back on the new manufacturing process, hence the prices aren't "bargain basement" like most thought/expected.
Yes the economy is in the toilet, but you don't see Mercedes Benz or Ferrari lowering their prices anytime soon.
Apple doesn't cater to the bargain basement shopper, the days of the "Performa" are/were long over.
actually even I don't agree or rather don't wish for what I say to be true, but this may be what apple do to cut costs.
I mean, with the high end pricing structure on a maxed out MBP 15", how much does that set the 17" at? $3000+ ?
I mean, with the high end pricing structure on a maxed out MBP 15", how much does that set the 17" at? $3000+ ?