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Why doesn't Apple get rid of the MacBook white and the prevoius generation MacBook Pro and replace it when the new designs. I think they should have done this in teh first place, and gave price drops to all the notebooks. That way they would get more buyers. Stupid economy problems.
 
actually even I don't agree or rather don't wish for what I say to be true, but this may be what apple do to cut costs.

I mean, with the high end pricing structure on a maxed out MBP 15", how much does that set the 17" at? $3000+ ?

I'd guess a base 17 is gonna go for $2800 and scale to $3500 on the high end (not including SSD option!)
 
Sad Apple only offers Samsung SSDs and not the cheaper and better Intel SSD drives.
 
eol

I hate to say it but I think that apple is testing the waters to see how it's community will react. The 17" is great for pro's who mosly have them docked to a desk but sometimes need portability ... But now they can get close to the same power into a 15" so I think they are seeing if people really wanted the 17" or the power it gave.

On another note the glass screenmay look like "better color" but is nowhere near true color ... Everything is over saturated and super contrasty ... They really need a matte option or better color controlls got the glass displays
 
According to AppleInsider, the reason why we didn't see a new 17" MacBook Pro is due to several issues:

a report published by MacNN earlier this week noted two problems that appear to have plagued the new notebook. Specifically, the site reported that the "initial run of 17-inch models have both optical drive and display issues, which will delay shipments."

Since then, AppleInsider has received corroborating reports that there was some form of delay affecting the new 17-inch models, which would have ideally made their debut this week had matters played out differently. Those people reported sightings of the larger model undergoing tests in Apple's labs, and as would be expected, they resemble a slightly larger version of the new 15-inch MacBook Pro.

As avid readers may recall, this isn't the first time that a 17-inch MacBook Pro missed the first boat out of China. The situation was nearly identical back in 2006 when Apple introduced its first ever MacBook Pro at the Macworld Expo in January.

Like this week's introductions, the 2006 MacBook Pro represented a major architectural design overhaul that delivered the first Intel processors in an Apple notebook. The Mac maker elected to focus its resources on completing the higher volume 15-inch model, which it began shipping with faster processors than initially announced a little over a month later. In late April, about three months after the 15-inch MacBook Pro made its debut, Apple introduced the first 17-inch MacBook Pro.

So, it may not be a 'decision' by Apple to not release the 17" MacBook Pro, but a necessity.
 
Dear Jobs,

I have only one request for the forthcoming notebook display:

MATTE

I AM A DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER, DO NOT MAKE ME LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR A PRO LAPTOP. GLOSSY IS UNACCEPTABLE IN THE FIELD, PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

Michael


PLEASE GIVE US MATTE SCREENS.
 
AppleInsider says, however, that the 17" MacBook Pro will see a refresh in the next few months to bring it in line with the latest MacBook Pro designs. The next opportunity for Apple to release new machines falls in January 2009 at Macworld San Francisco.
IIRC, the same thing happened with the Aluminum MBPs. First came the 15 inch model, then later the 17 and 12 inch models.
 
The next opportunity for Apple to release new machines falls in January 2009 at Macworld San Francisco.

********! Apple has another month before the Thanksgiving door closes on their collective rear end. The 17" MBP might not be ready before January, but they have an entire lineup of desktops and Cinema displays begging for an update. Apple's own goal is to be free of arsenic glass and mercury by the end of 2008. That doesn't look very likely right now unless we get new iMacs and displays in the next 3-4 weeks.

The new 24" display is crying out for a re-designed Mac mini to plug into it. This time maybe Steve will get his head out of his ass and use the same motherboard in the mini as the one in the MacBook. That'd cut the cost of production while dramatically improving performance. Yes Steve you'd be able to make even more money. Much as I hate that the MacBook dropped FireWire in favor of being Intel's USBitch, the mini is so outdated that he should be embarrassed to have it on the Apple website.

As for the iconic iMac I like the look and having seen some in action I could probably live with the glossy display. The problems I have with the iMac are more fundamental.

All computers with built-in displays (iMacs, MacBooks, etc.) are an environmental nightmare no matter how Apple tries to spin it.

An LCD display simply has a longer useful life than any computer. When the computer part of an all-in-one is obsolete a bunch of perfectly useful components will be unnecessarily recycled and re-manufactured. Not only is that a huge waste of energy and money, but manufacturing a single LCD panel produces more harmful greenhouse gases than the aircraft that flies it to you from China.

My other complaints about component selection and the difficulty in getting to the internal HD to upgrade it seem rather insignificant next to that.
 
Now the whining begins about no update to the 17".
In this economy the 17" is dead.(along with the MINI) So is Matte screens and FW 400. Apple goes with what sells. 17" and Matte rule the roost-Deal with it;)

Yeah, suck it all you whiners. You have no right to purchase the most expensive macbook apple offers, AND get the features you want. Because you know there's like a huge line of people with 3500 cash in hand waiting to buy these things.
 
Now the whining begins about no update to the 17".
In this economy the 17" is dead.(along with the MINI) So is Matte screens and FW 400. Apple goes with what sells. 17" and Matte rule the roost-Deal with it;)

K dude, and to all the ppl saying that they arent even gonna release a 17" in the future, are you telling me that the supposed industry leading notebook manufacturer will have a 1400x900 res screen as their high-end spec? I mean i havent ever had a resolution that low on any of the notebook computers ive had in my life, and ive been going thru them for about 10 years now. That doesnt sound very good to me, hope they enjoyed their short double-digit market share while it lasted.

Glossy screen only + low res + loss of ports + same high price tag = you guessed it - FAIL

Bye Apple, people are gonna see thru your shiny junk this time. I guess thats the new business plan, make the screen so shiny that it blinds people from seeing how low the resolution is. JOBS is GENIUS
 
so they just gave up on 17" sales? who is actually going to buy a new 17" mbp when they know (yes know) that new ones are just a few months away.
That's the problem isn't it. I was all ready to order a 17" on Tuesday but since it's now obsolescent I think I'll wait a while. Although price-wise it does actually compare quite well with the new 15.4" models, which makes me think there will be a big price hike for the new model when it comes.
 
did anyone in this thread read the original article? - appleinsider states there were manufacturing issues with the 17inch and those produced weren't of standard so thats the reason for the delay. I believe it was the optical drive and the screen that caused the problems!
 
so they just gave up on 17" sales? who is actually going to buy a new 17" mbp when they know (yes know) that new ones are just a few months away.

Are you loony? I considered getting one, since it's the last chance to get a new matte screen notebook (aside from the few remaining refurbished ones).

All surveys (macpolls.com etc) suggest that 40% of people prefer matte. Apple knows it has locked them in to the Mac platform, and even if Apple removes matte, they'll complain a bit, but still buy another Mac. The B*@#$*%S.

There was massive complaints after the iMac was made gloss-only, and Apple did not just ignore it, they went ahead and made the MacBooks all gloss.

Apple does not listen.

Apple is the incarnation of Steve Job's personality.

Steve Jobs does not listen to customers.
 
Are you loony? I considered getting one, since it's the last chance to get a new matte screen notebook (aside from the few remaining refurbished ones).

All surveys (macpolls.com etc) suggest that 40% of people prefer matte. Apple knows it has locked them in to the Mac platform, and even if Apple removes matte, they'll complain a bit, but still buy another Mac. The B*@#$*%S.

There was massive complaints after the iMac was made gloss-only, and Apple did not just ignore it, they went ahead and made the MacBooks all gloss.

Apple does not listen.

Apple is the incarnation of Steve Job's personality.

Steve Jobs does not listen to customers.
Not entirely true. If 40% of customers preferred matte screens, then it must mean that 60% preferred glossy screens. Thus, Apple listened to the majority of their customers and added glossy screens to the iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro.
 
so what do you guys recon..... wait for the 17'' update (or even wait for the new i7 CPUs which will hopefully be introduced mid next year) or get a new 15? im just thinking about it because ive got a feeling they might update the 15'' when they do the 17'', just like how they did it earlier this year with the old ones.
 
17" pre order on amazon UK

Amazon UK has 17" Macbook Pros on preorder for 29th October, graphics card seems wrong though???

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MacBook-17-inch-GeForce-8600MGT-SuperDrive/dp/B001I45TZS/ref=dp_ob_title_ce/026-5611021-2070808?ie=UTF8&qid=1224146091&sr=1-9


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*snip*

The number of drama queens in here is astonishing. If you're not crazy updates, then fine... but the crying is a little excessive.

Some may be drama queens but, if you check their "Join Date", most of the haters are trolls who joined to bash the iPhone or iPhone 3G and are now being mobilised to bash the laptops.

Real Pros aren't anywhere near a forum like this. They're working and they don't care about glossy or matte and they moved to FW800 years ago. The "Pros" here are mostly "Armchair Pros".

Taking firewire off the 13.3 is just wrong, though. Very wrong.
 
Dear Jobs,

I have only one request for the forthcoming notebook display:

MATTE

I AM A DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER, DO NOT MAKE ME LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR A PRO LAPTOP. GLOSSY IS UNACCEPTABLE IN THE FIELD, PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

Michael

When someone calls themself a 'digital photographer', they're not really a photographer. it's like calling yourself an analog musician.
 
I'm posting here just to give a shout-out to Apple:
I want to be able to choose for matte.
And 2 FW-ports sre needed next to a solid analogue video output.
64 bit and a videocard with 1 GB of memory would not hurt.
I can not call this new MacBook Pro a PRO-machine in my field of work.
I do live sound and video for theatre/dance-companies and do not wish to carry a Mac Pro with me just because my Powerbook could handle it all just fine.
But it's getting old.
I do not care for a bag full of adapters that I seem to loose easily.
Seems that other laptop-builders have less problems with my PRO wishes.
Do me a favor and get on it!
 
I'm posting here just to give a shout-out to Apple:
I want to be able to choose for matte.
And 2 FW-ports sre needed next to a solid analogue video output.
64 bit and a videocard with 1 GB of memory would not hurt.
I can not call this new MacBook Pro a PRO-machine in my field of work.
I do live sound and video for theatre/dance-companies and do not wish to carry a Mac Pro with me just because my Powerbook could handle it all just fine.
But it's getting old.
I do not care for a bag full of adapters that I seem to loose easily.
Seems that other laptop-builders have less problems with my PRO wishes.
Do me a favor and get on it!

Apple doesn't putz around here, send them feedback at:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
 
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