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17" MacBook Pro to be Updated "In a Few Months"?
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Wrong. OK if your eyes are good, of no use to anyone over about 40.
One of the great benefits of the 17" was having more space to play with but not having to use a magnifying glass to read the text. Given that OSX doesn't allow for font scaling, everything's too small to read.
I really don't want a 17" with 1920x1200, I really do need the slightly lower resolution at 1680x1050.
I'm sure there's some manufacturing reason that these flat panels aren't available with LED backlighting. As they were the only screens with 'traditional' tube lighting, Apple had to ditch them to get their green credentials together.
Apple will be releasing a 17" with the old resolution, probably with the super-shiny-reflective screen as soon as they can get the panels to work.
Also I wonder if they'll use a different chipset?
And finally, they'll release it when its ready. It won't need a big event, it'll just be quietly released -- just as was the case when the Intel machines were first launched; didn't the 17" come after the 15"?
haven't read any of the thread.
this is quad core. mark my word, this thread, this date, and this time.
the new 17" macbook pro, released probably at macworld, will be the first quad core laptop available on the market.
upgrade the video card now, prep for snow leopard, upgrade the cpu when we're all focusing on other things.
quad. core.
this is quad core. mark my word, this thread, this date, and this time.
the new 17" macbook pro, released probably at macworld, will be the first quad core laptop available on the market.
upgrade the video card now, prep for snow leopard, upgrade the cpu when we're all focusing on other things.
quad. core.
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this is not a good thing to be discussing, it is once again the whole idea of rumours, my god the 17 inch macbook pro is gonna be this and that, blah blah blah, we will have to wait and see
in other news....the fact that apple didnt do anything with the 17 inch macbook pro is utterly outrageous. Thanks Apple! Poor show!
this is not a good thing to be discussing, it is once again the whole idea of rumours, my god the 17 inch macbook pro is gonna be this and that, blah blah blah, we will have to wait and see
in other news....the fact that apple didnt do anything with the 17 inch macbook pro is utterly outrageous. Thanks Apple! Poor show!
Mattnh
macrumors member
This is a Rumors "prediction" site ...
think the macbook Pro 17"
Will have a larger keyboard;
Resolution 1650x1050 with only Gloss *
The price will be the same as today, 2799$ or 2499€
With the same tech specs as the 2,53Ghz Macbook Pro.
Don't think they will add another model 😱
*The design will be the same as the other models, and is very difficult, if not impossible to have the matte look on that kind of material without loosing definition and originating light refraction and bright spots all over the screen. The only possibility is a second polymer filter on front of the glass... Not apple style. They will unify the style and thats for certain!
think the macbook Pro 17"
Will have a larger keyboard;
Resolution 1650x1050 with only Gloss *
The price will be the same as today, 2799$ or 2499€
With the same tech specs as the 2,53Ghz Macbook Pro.
Don't think they will add another model 😱
*The design will be the same as the other models, and is very difficult, if not impossible to have the matte look on that kind of material without loosing definition and originating light refraction and bright spots all over the screen. The only possibility is a second polymer filter on front of the glass... Not apple style. They will unify the style and thats for certain!
Some people need to see the bigger picture. Apple would probably have announced a 17" Pro if it was ready. The only manufacturing issues that I can see are either the LCD or the larger case (or another unknown value-add [for some] component such as Blu-Ray). They didn't make a point of mentioning the 17" 'refresh' until asked which makes it feel like there is a issue that they didn't want to mention.
On the price front, in the long term the manufacturing costs may be less and the components may be cheaper to build. However, Apple needs to recoup its investment in the manufacturing process. This is more easily done with a high price point at the beginning of a new product. It is a business after all 😉
On the price front, in the long term the manufacturing costs may be less and the components may be cheaper to build. However, Apple needs to recoup its investment in the manufacturing process. This is more easily done with a high price point at the beginning of a new product. It is a business after all 😉
Piplodocus
macrumors 6502a
To me? VERY! I want a DAW I can use on stage balanced on top of a synth rack or drum riser!
I'd like a pair of FW800 (or 3200!) on my future 17" MBP. That gives 1 for a FW soundcard and one for a decent audio interface without daisychaining. I currently have a new FW400 soundcard I bought recently and I'm certainly not buying another for most of this decade if I can help it! (a FW400-800 cable won't hurt me for the future-proofing though!)
I'm not sure how good a glossy display is on stage under flashing bright stage lights, but all displays are variable depending on the design and quality so I'll reserve judgement til I see them.
I'm just sorry for the MB (not MBP) purchasers who can't have all the best FW audio interfaces anymore (like MOTU, Apogee, RME, etc.) which all run on FW400, or use FW HDDs. I'd have thought they'd get FW800 upgrade, but they lost FW completely and still only have the same number of USB ports (2)!!! You get more connectivity with the cheapest plastic MB!
Methinks.
I think in all honesty they should just discontinue the 17" MacBook Pro, the 15" offers plenty of power (2.8Ghz and 4GB of Ram) not to mention the graphic chipset of the 15" trumps the current 17" MBP's. Currently, the high end MacBook Pro is actually the 15" and not the 17".
The only real benefit from the 17" that you could gain in the future is maybe, MAYBE, a Quad Core processor, and speeds of up to 3.0Ghz, and that might be pushing it. Also, you may see the increase of ram to 8GB and maybe if Apple is feeling giddy, they would include the 9400M chipset and a 9800m for the GPU. Blu-Ray drive, I could take or leave. Most of the Blu-Ray movies come with Digital copies, so I just watch the digital copy on the notebook and the actually movie on my TV, I just don't like carrying around a 30 - 50 dollar movie just for it to be dropped and scratched and trampled in a busy airport.
The only reason I could see for the delay of the 17", is the whole engineering aspect, I mean they re-engineered 2 notebooks and refreshed one so they had more than plenty on their plate. Not to mention the new 24" LED Cinema Display w/ Semi Docking Features. I say a new MBP 17" will probably be avialiable at MacWorld, but I would much rather see a display refresh in the new MacBook Pro, give the little 15" a 1920x1080 Res...please...110-113 PPI is not enough, give us atleast 130PPI 🙁
I think in all honesty they should just discontinue the 17" MacBook Pro, the 15" offers plenty of power (2.8Ghz and 4GB of Ram) not to mention the graphic chipset of the 15" trumps the current 17" MBP's. Currently, the high end MacBook Pro is actually the 15" and not the 17".
The only real benefit from the 17" that you could gain in the future is maybe, MAYBE, a Quad Core processor, and speeds of up to 3.0Ghz, and that might be pushing it. Also, you may see the increase of ram to 8GB and maybe if Apple is feeling giddy, they would include the 9400M chipset and a 9800m for the GPU. Blu-Ray drive, I could take or leave. Most of the Blu-Ray movies come with Digital copies, so I just watch the digital copy on the notebook and the actually movie on my TV, I just don't like carrying around a 30 - 50 dollar movie just for it to be dropped and scratched and trampled in a busy airport.
The only reason I could see for the delay of the 17", is the whole engineering aspect, I mean they re-engineered 2 notebooks and refreshed one so they had more than plenty on their plate. Not to mention the new 24" LED Cinema Display w/ Semi Docking Features. I say a new MBP 17" will probably be avialiable at MacWorld, but I would much rather see a display refresh in the new MacBook Pro, give the little 15" a 1920x1080 Res...please...110-113 PPI is not enough, give us atleast 130PPI 🙁
Piplodocus
macrumors 6502a
Just a few questions about eSATA & FW...
Does eSATA only work for HDDs?
What speed is it and how does it compare with FW800 or maybe future FW3200 etc. (obviously FW800 and it's backwards compatibility makes it more useful at present)?
Can you not use the Expresscard slot for an eSATA card or does that severely limit the Bandwidth of the eSATA?
How fast does an expresscard slot go anyway?
Could you use this slot for a FW card to increase the number of FW busses and overall FW bandwidth if using more than 1 FW device, or does the system architecture give you no net gain than daisychaining?
[EDIT: Just checked Wikipedia and Expresscard/34 maxes out at 2.5GB/s whereas eSATA is currently 3GB/s so there's a slight performance increase with eSATA 3GB, but it's still more data than 1x full speed 7200rpm desktop drive can produce, and around 1.5-2 of them so that should keep me happy for a couple of years til SSDs catch up and price-drops!]
Hate to say it, but Lenovo, HP and Dell are all shipping QX9300 quad core laptops already. I was really hoping Apple would join them this week. {Sigh}
Lenovo's has been well reviewed in a few places and has RAID, Blu-Ray, a monster GPU with 400 nit screen, a color calibrator & a built in digitizer pad.
esata is just an external version of sata, used by hard disks and optical drives.
On modern systems it's rated to 300MB/s, so it's got a fair bit more bandwidth than any usb/firewire combo and devices interface directly with the controller on the motherboard, you're not relient on expensive(and cheap) hardware in the enclosure.
ps. I wish my 'standard desktop drive' transferred at 200MB/s like you imply 🙂
That lenovo machine is proper mobile workstation and one of the reasons that I wish if apple arn't matching other companies with sheer 'tech in a box', they should be reducing their prices massively - Everything they do is aimed at and marketed towards an average home user, not sure why they don't push their market share more. (pps. I prefer lenovo's thinkpads because of the keyboard, trackpoint and matte black look)
On modern systems it's rated to 300MB/s, so it's got a fair bit more bandwidth than any usb/firewire combo and devices interface directly with the controller on the motherboard, you're not relient on expensive(and cheap) hardware in the enclosure.
ps. I wish my 'standard desktop drive' transferred at 200MB/s like you imply 🙂
That lenovo machine is proper mobile workstation and one of the reasons that I wish if apple arn't matching other companies with sheer 'tech in a box', they should be reducing their prices massively - Everything they do is aimed at and marketed towards an average home user, not sure why they don't push their market share more. (pps. I prefer lenovo's thinkpads because of the keyboard, trackpoint and matte black look)
AdeFowler
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According to Amazon it'll be released on the 29th. I'm about to pre-order and see what happens.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MacBook-17-...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=075G0540P27A1AP8NVCQ
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MacBook-17-...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=075G0540P27A1AP8NVCQ
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highjumppudding
macrumors 6502
totally agreed. It will if not be the only notebook with a quad core or they may offer it CTO in the 2499 MacBook pro. Most likely 1920x1200 responses only (the made it standard on the current (old) designed model. Hopefully there will be a CTO 1gb gpu card. 8gb ram max.
dr.Zoidberg
macrumors member
....Good value for students and semi-pros
It is even cheaper now for students to edit video, they just buy the $999 Macbook White. It still has a firewire 400 and can edit video no problem. I've been doing it for years on an iBook.
And as far as i know, and i am not an expert by any means, but only MiniDV camcorders use Firewire, the Hard drive and flash based all transfer via USB. Of course, their quality is lower, but it should probably be fine for what you are doing.
Sadly, you wont be able to transfer video from a MiniDv camcorder to the newly redesigned MB. I would take advantage of the $999 macbook and its newly added DVD burner while they last.
Goodluck!
It is even cheaper now for students to edit video, they just buy the $999 Macbook White. It still has a firewire 400 and can edit video no problem. I've been doing it for years on an iBook.
And as far as i know, and i am not an expert by any means, but only MiniDV camcorders use Firewire, the Hard drive and flash based all transfer via USB. Of course, their quality is lower, but it should probably be fine for what you are doing.
Sadly, you wont be able to transfer video from a MiniDv camcorder to the newly redesigned MB. I would take advantage of the $999 macbook and its newly added DVD burner while they last.
Goodluck!
PinkyMacGodess
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And as of late yesterday, the local Best Buy (Worst Try) did not have ANYTHING up about the new notebooks.
But I do live in Michigan and we are tanking around here...
But I do live in Michigan and we are tanking around here...
So fix that. I'm typing this on a Dell D830 which is a 15.4" laptop with 1920x1200, and I love it. Windows obviously doesn't support proper scaling either, but at least I have a few more years before I turn 40 😉
steve-p
macrumors 68000
I wouldn't. The title says 8600MGT but the manufacturers blurb says 9600MGT. Looks like the current 'refreshed' model to me with the manufacturer's blurb about the new unibody construction by mistake. They probably believed it when Apple told them it was 'new'.
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PinkyMacGodess
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And on the new MacBook, is there an ExpressCard slot?
Wow! No FireWire and no ExpressCard slot either...
What does Steve have against MacBook users? Someone mentioned an Ethernet to FireWire adapter. That may be the only way, if such a duck exists...
Wow! No FireWire and no ExpressCard slot either...
What does Steve have against MacBook users? Someone mentioned an Ethernet to FireWire adapter. That may be the only way, if such a duck exists...
PinkyMacGodess
Suspended
It's also interesting, yes, that ALL of the ports are on the same side.
Docking station coming? Interesting...
Docking station coming? Interesting...
Cousin Dirk
macrumors 6502a
Maybe. It looks to me like that 24" LED Display is to test the water. I get the feeling that if they get the right sort of feedback for what is a display designed mainly for notebooks, they might take the plunge with the docking station.
The 24" LED Display is certainly a step in that direction.
Piplodocus
macrumors 6502a
Doh! Best sell all those Dell shares as they have far to much choice for consumers and they won't last past the end of October with such a wide variety of sizes, prices, performance, ports, notebooks, minis, netbooks, powerhouse desktops, etc. They could provide for any Windows or Linux user from mobile laptop pro to living room media PC to a web-browsing 92-yr-old grandmother, to a number-crunching power station. Such a recipe for disaster; it'll never work!
/sarcasm
😉
