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17" MBP "MATTE" in the flesh from Macworld!

thefunkymunky said:
I prefer the black bezel around the glossy screen - looks more stylish. The silver bezel looks dated in comparison.
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I agree. Apple's new designs sometimes seem weird at first, but I always end up like the newer ones compared to the older ones after a while. The matte 17" looks a bit awkward. Maybe the silver bezel looks too much like an oversized Macbook Air or the colour doesn't match the keyboard or something.

Thanks for posting the pictures by the way. The shots at Apple.com aren't very good.
 
OrangeSVTguy said:
(I haven't compared the 2 in person yet) but it does seem like the Matte has darker blacks while the Glossy looks more washed out? Anyone else see that
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It's obvious that the glossy screen wasn't calibrated before these pics were taken. It's also obvious that the OP has not a clue what saturated means since it's the matte screen that appears more saturated than the glossy.
 
Any chance the 15 inches MBP will get matte screen this year?

Does anybody have any idea if this is even a possibility?????????:eek:
I am waiting for that in order to pull the trigger and convert myself to Mac finally....
Having a MATTE screen is a must for me!
I wonder if I should wait longer now or abandon the entire switch idea...altogether...
I am definately decided on 15 inches screen MBP but will not do it with any glossy mirror on it....
Anybody's take on possible 2009 matte screen for 15" MBP?:)
 
Anyone notice that the hinge on the matte laptop is still black? Now, that is really sloppy.

I was going to get the matte until I found out it was silver and glassless. The glass is great and the black is very sexy. I'm an animator who does a lot of color intensive stuff. I also work outside of the home a lot and glare is a big concern for me. But I know getting the glossy is a good choise because my iPhone has the same glossy glass and my view of the screen has never been impeded by glare even on the brightest days. I've never even noticed glare and my brightness is turned way down.

Gloss is fine. Black and glass look better. The matte thing is just sadly holding on to the old form factor. We should all move forward give the new screens a chance.
 
Mark2000 said:
Anyone notice that the hinge on the matte laptop is still black? Now, that is really sloppy.

I was going to get the matte until I found out it was silver and glassless. The glass is great and the black is very sexy. I'm an animator who does a lot of color intensive stuff. I also work outside of the home a lot and glare is a big concern for me. But I know getting the glossy is a good choise because my iPhone has the same glossy glass and my view of the screen has never been impeded by glare even on the brightest days. I've never even noticed glare and my brightness is turned way down.

Gloss is fine. Black and glass look better. The matte thing is just sadly holding on to the old form factor. We should all move forward give the new screens a chance.
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Animator doing lot of color intense stuff? That doesn't make sense.
I'm animator too and all I do is animate. Nothing with colors. :))
Anyway, I would like to warn you. iPhone screen is something different than 17" screen. I personally would not be able to animate especially when you focus at a certain point on the screen and it has the glare there. It just keeps the mind too busy. Just something to think about.
 
Mark2000 said:
Anyone notice that the hinge on the matte laptop is still black? Now, that is really sloppy.
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I wonder if this was a late concession to all the screen nazis out there who've moaned 'til the cows come home about how bad a glossy number is.;)

I'd take a stock 17" no hesitation, if I could afford one, (actually waiting/saving for an i7 number later this year - hopefully, if not 2009).:confused:
 
oh didnt expect this now i think my unibody mbp looks better with the black bezel but still i hate how thick the bezel is :rolleyes:
 
Gloor said:
Animator doing lot of color intense stuff? That doesn't make sense.
I'm animator too and all I do is animate. Nothing with colors. :)).
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I draw everything I animate and paint the backgrounds as well. I'm sure you understand that color in an invented scene is as important as color in a photographed one. Possibly more.

www.badmonkeystudios.com
www.mark2000.com

And I also have a glossy TV, and my wife has a glossy Macbook that I've never seen need to complain about. And all the 21" CRT's I ever had were next to windows and were obviously glass. I think everytime there is a switch in tech loud people complain and then get with the program and then complain when it changes again. I seriously doubt any of you wish there was a bulky CRT attached to this computer for the better contrast and color gamut, but 10 years ago your were probably bellyaching about the new studio displays and iMac only being LCD. Now LCD is more like CRT and you want your old, Matte, washed out LCD back. Calm down. You'll learn to love the new ones.
 
Mark2000 said:
I draw everything I animate and paint the backgrounds as well. I'm sure you understand that color in an invented scene is as important as color in a photographed one. Possibly more.

www.badmonkeystudios.com
www.mark2000.com

And I also have a glossy TV, and my wife has a glossy Macbook that I've never seen need to complain about. And all the 21" CRT's I ever had were next to windows and were obviously glass. I think everytime there is a switch in tech loud people complain and then get with the program and then complain when it changes again. I seriously doubt any of you wish there was a bulky CRT attached to this computer for the better contrast and color gamut, but 10 years ago your were probably bellyaching about the new studio displays and iMac only being LCD. Now LCD is more like CRT and you want your old, Matte, washed out LCD back. Calm down. You'll learn to love the new ones.
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I apologize,
I so took it that you do 3d animation that I completely forgot that you could be a traditional 2d animator. In that case I understand the colors thing now. :)
Anyway, it works great for you but it doesn't work for me. When I make a playblast and watch it for 20x times to check the arcs on the wrist for example, it bothers me if there is glare ( I had alu iMac for a while) and I just couldn't get over it. I always had to put the blinds down in my room so I wouldn't be distracted. Now, I have 30" ACD and I'm happy as one can be but same will go for the laptop.
First, I didn't like the new design (black bezel, black keyboard) but seeing few times in person the design grow on me and I started to like except one thing and that was the glossy part. :)))
So, I've decided that I will not buy until they offer matte and as they did, all I'm waiting for right now is to see it in person and check if there are no issues and then I will get one.
I'm glad that glossy works for you but it doesn't work for me. We are both happy now with the choices they gave us (eventhough I would prefer silver keyboard) so we can both seize the fire on both camps (matte vs glossy) and walk happily along as in good old days. :))))
Anyway, good luck with your animation. Your web looks great
 
iParis said:
Awesome!
I find the new MBP amazing! I want one so bad!
I don't care if it's 17", the specs are godly for a laptop.
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Eh, the graphics card is weak. Not offering an option for a high end graphics card in the most powerful MBP is annoying. Will they ever offer a card for gaming?
 
zevot said:
oh didnt expect this now i think my unibody mbp looks better with the black bezel but still i hate how thick the bezel is :rolleyes:
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One thing about the black bezel is that it's the same size on each model, so the bigger the screen gets the better it looks. On the 17" it's not so bad because the screen is gigantic, but on my wifes 13" it's almost silly how big the bezel looks.
 
urkel said:
One thing about the black bezel is that it's the same size on each model, so the bigger the screen gets the better it looks. On the 17" it's not so bad because the screen is gigantic, but on my wifes 13" it's almost silly how big the bezel looks.
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actually, they aren't.

http://www.apple.com/ca/getamac/whichmac/whichmacbook.html

look at the pictures. The bezel get thinner as the size of the laptop increase.

And I also have a glossy TV, and my wife has a glossy Macbook that I've never seen need to complain about. And all the 21" CRT's I ever had were next to windows and were obviously glass. I think everytime there is a switch in tech loud people complain and then get with the program and then complain when it changes again. I seriously doubt any of you wish there was a bulky CRT attached to this computer for the better contrast and color gamut, but 10 years ago your were probably bellyaching about the new studio displays and iMac only being LCD. Now LCD is more like CRT and you want your old, Matte, washed out LCD back. Calm down. You'll learn to love the new ones.
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The professional (The guys who make money with their computer) don't all have the same opinions as you. Glossy, as wonderful it seems, with the "rich" colours it produce aren't something who a serious will use. Like I sais in a earlier topic, glossy screens aren't accurate, even if you calibrate them. What's the result would you ask? Inaccurate colours when you put your work on the web and when you print. As washed they look, when it's calibrated, they the real colours you're looking at. Might seems benign to you, but it's critical to many serious pros (Graphic designers, illustrators, printers, photographs...).

Even the Led cinema display, as godly the display is, do not display the rights colors.
 
PeterQC said:
The professional (The guys who make money with their computer) don't all have the same opinions as you.
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I don't want to turn this into a pissing match, but you might have read that I am a "professional". Try not to simply discount my opinion because of your prejudice and assumptions. Not all "professionals" agree and not everyone who doesn't agree with you is an amateur.
 
Mark2000 said:
I don't want to turn this into a pissing match, but you might have read that I am a "professional". Try not to simply discount my opinion because of your prejudice and assumptions. Not all "professionals" agree and not everyone who doesn't agree with you is an amateur.
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That's exactly why I said "not all". I know some couldn't care less, especially the ones who don't work with pictures and graphics, about glossy vs matte, but for somes, it's required as part of their job. My statement still hold.
 
PeterQC said:
That's exactly why I said "not all". I know some couldn't care less, especially the ones who don't work with pictures and graphics, about glossy vs matte, but for somes, it's required as part of their job. My statement still hold.
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Are you included in that group? I noticed you did some implying, but didn't actually claim it. What do you do professionally/visually that you earn a living from? I'd hate for you to just be repeating what everyone else says.

I'm a graphic designer, web developer, and classically trained artist, so I think I have a qualified opinion. I don't like the glare because it distracts me. Especially on the border, which never has an image/light coming through it to alleviate the glare.

However, glossy is just as calibratable as matte. CRT's were renowned for their color accuracy, but they were either glossy or glossy with a slight anti-glare coating. Your hardware calibrator looks through the "oversaturated" glass layer and calibrates accordingly. That's the whole point of visual hardware calibration! If calibration was based off of color values that the monitor is supposedly displaying, then it wouldn't take in to account the glass layer distorting it.

But that is the reason we calibrate with machines! Each display isn't uniform and color value codes aren't going to be the same on each one - so a machine 'looks' at what is actually viewable to the user and calibrates from there.

I think there are a lot of misinformed public repeating what they don't know anything about, and a lot of visual artists repeating a bunch of myths they have just accepted as true.
 
Mark2000 said:
And I also have a glossy TV, and my wife has a glossy Macbook that I've never seen need to complain about. And all the 21" CRT's I ever had were next to windows and were obviously glass. I think everytime there is a switch in tech loud people complain and then get with the program and then complain when it changes again. I seriously doubt any of you wish there was a bulky CRT attached to this computer for the better contrast and color gamut, but 10 years ago your were probably bellyaching about the new studio displays and iMac only being LCD. Now LCD is more like CRT and you want your old, Matte, washed out LCD back. Calm down. You'll learn to love the new ones.
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While I do agree that many artists tend to be untrusting of new technology, often when they shoudn't be, I believe the LCD example is poor. When we all used CRTs and LCDs were first introduced, they had really terrible specks. I think at the time, graphic artists were right to be upset. However, 10 years later, I think we can agree that the good IPS panels of the last five years are excellent and suitable for what we do.

I didn't like the idea of this umbp when they were first introduced, as I had a terrible time with the current imacs hurting my eyes and having inescapable reflection/glare. But I had to get a machine for a project I was in the middle of, and have been fine with the screen, minus the glare on the border. The point is, a lot of people knock new things without having tried them, as you said, and eventually many may come to think of the new screen design as 'the way to do it'.

(I liked your caricature work and illustration. Good stuff.)
 
fjk said:
its teeeerrible. its sooo distracting. i can only stare at the distracting gray bezel. i cant work because my attention keeps getting drawn away from the screen to the distracting gray bezel. why would they do this?

the black is so much less distracting and im 300% less distracted.
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If you are distracted by a different color on your laptop then you have some other issues. Can I get you some ritalin or adderal or something? :D

I personally think it looks great. I would like to see it in person, but the black on the edge there I think makes it look good, and sets it apart from the old 17"-ers.
 
xilni said:
Eh, the graphics card is weak. Not offering an option for a high end graphics card in the most powerful MBP is annoying. Will they ever offer a card for gaming?
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The card is pretty damn good for anything that a pro user would throw at it (granted its no Quaddro, etc, but...) People should really stop complaining about macs not having the bleeding edge hardware for gamers. That is not what the machines are built for. They are built to (supposedly) be reliable as can be, and bleeding edge hardware may not be super reliable.

Not to mention you are kind of silly to want a mac for serious hardcore gaming. Buy/build a PC for it. The bulk of games are on PC only. You can actually upgrade a PC easily. You can get the newest bleeding edge hardware on a PC. (and if you want a truly amazing laptop for gaming, I'd say you are stuck with Alienware-esque hardware)

Macs are made for those who either REALLY know what they are doing, and are using it for serious livelihood-supporting work, or for those that REALLY don't know what the heck they are doing and just want to pay through the nose for the newest coolest thing with that little :apple: on it...
 
Have we been able to establish that the new unibody matte screen is actually the older panel from the previous MBP? It was mentioned earlier in the thread but no one followed up on it.

If it is, that is highly disappointing. You are getting the matte option, but giving up the "60% higher color gamut" that the "new" glossy screen has.

As I sit here with my beautiful mid-2007 MBP with great design and a pretty horrible screen when it comes to color reproduction, this is my greatest concern when considering the new machine.
 
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