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17" rMBP to appear with Haswell?
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Proof?
Hope is great, but proof is better. Hopefully the proof is in the pudding. I like pudding.
We dont have to be critical, we can appreciate the rumor without taking it as 100% truthWe think it would be nice, but no one is really expecting it
But there is no rumour. Will Stabley of the Stabley Times didn't write an article about it, and even if he did, it means no more than your opinion or mine. He's not someone with any inside information and most importantly, he didn't say it.
So it's really the same old conversation we have all the time here. Some people saying it would be nice to bring back the 17 inch MBP (either retina or not) and other people saying there isn't a chance in hell of that happening.
Put me down for "not a chance"
He didn't state what is happening... Everything is happening now in the present...
A long shot would imply there's a chance of it happening, however remote.
There is no chance of it happening.
He didn't state what is happening... Everything is happening now in the present...
Touche.
That would indeed be good news. I don't see the need to drop the dGPU in the 15, but no need to wind it up much, and possibly have a base model without it. But a 17" with a seriously powerful dGPU, retina screen etc would be great. I would vote for no optical drive but space for a second HDD, choice of SSD or Fusion. And most of the inside should be cooling and battery.
Unfortunately it would cost me, as I would certainly have to upgrade to it!
In that very "boat" right now, If Apple produce a 17" Retina it will only be a scaled up 15" with a couple of additional ports. No doubt it will be cool, equally another consumer based product beautifully executed no doubt. Elite Books & Precision`s are very much in a different class and should not be confused with the bargain basement PC`s seen on the average retailers shelf.
Legit rumor or not, a rumor is a rumor, no matter who says it. Isnt that the whole point of MacRumors? Like that thread on Apple glasses? no such thing even in planning, but are we going to shoot it down saying it doesnt exist like somekind of lame internet troll, or could we discuss how it would look like, what it would do. We are here to spread ideas and discuss them, not only talk about what apple IS doing, but speculate what they COULD do.
The point of forums is to have conversations, discussions. Not to just try to close out the topic and shut everyone up with "not going to happen" and "he's a nobody, so its not true".
That would indeed be good news. I don't see the need to drop the dGPU in the 15, but no need to wind it up much, and possibly have a base model without it. But a 17" with a seriously powerful dGPU, retina screen etc would be great. I would vote for no optical drive but space for a second HDD, choice of SSD or Fusion. And most of the inside should be cooling and battery.
Unfortunately it would cost me, as I would certainly have to upgrade to it!
The iGPU on the Haswell chips that are claimed to be coming to the rMBP can handle 4k. I would be more than happy with that plus the same fixed configuration as found on the current rMBP's. No optical drive needed for me. Just make it thinner, lighter, improve batter life, and run cooler.
Thank you!!! Finally - reason!
Thank you for speaking great reason and pointing out great common sense, thank you I appreciate this so much - you made my day! ^_^
Thank you for speaking great reason and pointing out great common sense, thank you I appreciate this so much - you made my day! ^_^
A rumour is based on someone actually knowing something, someone thinking they know something, or someone pretending they know something.
Someone saying "something could happen" is not a rumour, it's speculation. There's a difference. And if you don't know the difference, frankly, there's not much point in trying to discuss either rumours OR speculation with you.
Did the OP not state a source for that?
Rumor: a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts [source]
Speculation: the contemplation or consideration of some subject [source]
Regardless of which category it falls in forums are forums. Is one allowed and another not? Both have the right to be discussed. Blindly shooting a statement down because of lack of evidence is just as naive as blindly believing in one with lack of evidence. Hence, discussions.
In the news: Moderators change site name to "MacSpeculations"...
OP or someone should put a poll up to see if people want the 17" back..
17" Retina MBP
I had an idea the other day, that Apple might re-introduce the 17" MacBook but they are waiting until tech becomes ready for it. Doubling the 15" and 13" resolutions can be done nowadays with ok performance, but doubling the resolution that was on the 17" is quite hard. But time will take care of that with 4K displays becoming cheaper and mobile chips more and more powerful.
Do you find it believable that in the near future we might see a retina 17 inch MacBook Pro thats basically 4K ready? I think its a good chance and would also make an kick ass product.
I had an idea the other day, that Apple might re-introduce the 17" MacBook but they are waiting until tech becomes ready for it. Doubling the 15" and 13" resolutions can be done nowadays with ok performance, but doubling the resolution that was on the 17" is quite hard. But time will take care of that with 4K displays becoming cheaper and mobile chips more and more powerful.
Do you find it believable that in the near future we might see a retina 17 inch MacBook Pro thats basically 4K ready? I think its a good chance and would also make an kick ass product.
I think it would make an amazing product too. I'm not sure it will ever exist unfortunately.
Why did Apple kill off the 17" cMBP? We assume it was because it didn't sell in large enough quantities. What would be different with it being retina? Because of its expense it would still likely be a low selling niche product.
Some said it would make a good halo product. Something so amazing (a 4k screen) that it reflects well on the rest of the rMBP lineup.
I bet Apple is going to introduce a 17" retina Powerbook G5.
It's just as likely and would sell just as well.
No DVD drive though. This baby's strictly 8-track!
I really wonder what it will take to convince people that a size Apple killed over a year ago is truly dead.
It's just as likely and would sell just as well.
No DVD drive though. This baby's strictly 8-track!
I really wonder what it will take to convince people that a size Apple killed over a year ago is truly dead.
Well, an actual announcement from the company would be great, not just "Oh, yeah, they didn't have a keynote on it and stopped selling it. Guess its never coming back".
I think that considering apples stance on blu-ray, this thing will run with punch cards. 8 track is simply too modern for it. Maybe if we get really lucky with will run on punch tape and not punch cards!!
The death of hope
"hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies." - Red (Shawshank Redemption)
They killed the G4 Cube but a few years later the Mac Mini arrived which is largely considered the replacement to the Cube.
That is all the hope I need
It's not a performance problem. It is strictly a cost problem. In 2012, Apple's cost of 17" Retina displays was too high (due to low yields) to offer a 17" rMBP. The introduction of Retina MBPs required Apple to stop offering 17" MBPs -- regardless of whether they had been selling well or not, regardless of whether or not they had been profitable for Apple.
Yields have been rising and Apple's cost to buy 17" Retina displays has come down to more or less reasonable levels. There is a year of pent-up demand in addition to whatever usual demand there would be on a continuing basis. Apple could offer a 17" rMBP with a number of features (presumably) not available with the 15" Haswell rMBP:
- 32GB of RAM (optional)
- 2 PCIe SSD slots
- a few extra ports
- faster CPU with a discrete GPU
I'm not suggesting that Apple will offer a 17" rMBP -- only pointing out that it cannot be ruled out. If Apple were to have a 17" rMBP up their sleeve, I would guess that they would want to announce and release it about 3 months after the 15" rMBP. A 17" rMBP would not get a big boost from the holiday season buying and Apple's cost for 17" Retina displays would be lower afterward.