Wow that sucks. I have an older macbook pro and was going to hold out until it was implemented, but if it can't be done, well then I just might have to go out and update.
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Wow that sucks. I have an older macbook pro and was going to hold out until it was implemented, but if it can't be done, well then I just might have to go out and update.
The Dell m6400 is also 2 pounds heavier, half an inch thicker and made of plastic all of which makes it significantly cheaper to produce. Dell also does not make their own OS instead bundling Windows which they can get dirt cheap from Microsoft. You need to use some common sense.
I do not see any 17" from Dell that is thin or light or made from aluminum (and certainly not from a sold billet) at any price range. Show me something truly comparable and then we'll talk price. The cost of miniaturization is high. If all you are looking at is specs then it makes about as much sense to compare a laptop to a desktop.
Apple Developer Connection? Where? I did a search and didn't come up with anything.
Yeah, the old "these other makes of computer" strawman, often by Dull, er, Dell Chumput0rz (the Wallyworld of computers).
I've gone on the Dull, er, Dell website which, first of all, is as ugly and clunky as their crappy machines, when you go and configure a 17" to get somewhere in the range of the Apple 17" you get right up to about the same price as the Apple Macbook Pro. Yeah yeah sure you can buy a 17" laptop for as little as $600, but it's a joke of a machine. Start putting in decent drives, an actual LED screen, and all the bells and whistles that the MBP comes with and you come to realize the prices wind up being close, then throw on the fact the MBP comes with OS X and can run Linux and does Windoze FTW.
That said Apple could/should be more competitive and still have some profit margin, MBs should start under a grand, the MBPs should start sub-$1500, and for the 17" $2499. I know Apple loves their markup, it's how they're staying profitable while Dull, er, Dell, with their cheapware and their intentional bait-and-switch and undercutting prices have meant they're actually not doing well financially (huzzah! hope they die soon and make the PC and Mac buying world a much more quality place). Never-the-less they may sell more unit and remain as profitable by lowering the prices a smidge. Not that it'll shut up the whiners "I saw a Dull for $399... Apple is dead, they don't offer a $399..." moronic spew without of course mentioning that's a cheap small plastic box running a Centrino process from a 2003 parts bin, a leftover 3100 GPU, and you have to pay extra for an optical drive.
The Macs are a bit expensive but, for the most part, the parts there justify the cost, and instead of people whining about it, don't like it, go buy a Dull, which you'll have to get another in three years, which is a faster cycle than Apple, meaning, long run, you'll be spending more money on hardware, so proven by JD Power and others as Apple's last longer too overall. But people are cheap so gravitate towards cheap things. Then again the argument that makes the PC apologist squirm and come out with vitrol, you could by a Geo Metro or you could buy a Audi A6 (or, if you wish, a BMW 5-series), me, personally, would rather have the solidly constructed thought out German auto, or heck, a Japanese makes, but, Dull, er, I'm sorry, Geo buyers, you know, have to make themselves feel good about their purchase (of junk) so it's all good... I guess.
It was only at that price point for a brief period of time before the MBP came out when where was no 15" model at the $2499 price point. It's been at $2799 for most of the time; I don't see why all of a sudden the price tag seems way too high.
cos i run em side by side, the mac will run shake and nuke, the dell will run nuke on windows [http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/pkg_overview.aspx?ui=CBC2593A-2C9F-4EF9-84BE-C198B0171453]
the dell will also pftrack [ if i can still afford it, http://www.thepixelfarm.co.uk/products/products.aspx?PID=3] & unreal tournament 3
It's not all of a sudden, it's always been expensive and now the features seem a little light for the upgrade. I'm never paying over $1800 for a Mac again, I got burned pretty badly on my POS G5 tower.
I'll only consider a Unibody MacBook/MBP when I can get an old model on clearance for well under $2000.
If you look at the old 17" models, they literally were the same spec-wise aside from a larger screen for the most part (one revision aside). There's actually a slight difference; that same $300 gets you a tad bit more now than it did back in the PowerBook era. It's light for an upgrade, but it's still a lot more of an upgrade than it was 2-3 years ago.
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I guess I should not be surprised that this site attracts a large number of readers who consider "upgrading" every one or two revisions. But I am part of what I would consider the larger group of users that seldom have the luxury of looking at a new computer as anything but a replacement, (I basically wear my laptops out after 3+ years heavy mobile use). For these types of users, the new unibody represents a huge leap in performance. If you are not this type of shopper, relax and continue saving your money for the quad-cores that will undoubtedly come after Apple releases the multi-core optimized snow Leopard.
Technology is primarily an iterative process punctuated by larger changes every 3-5 years. Those expecting each release of an Apple computer to stand the competition or Apple's own product line on its head are not acknowledging this reality.
I guess I should not be surprised that this site attracts a large number of readers who consider "upgrading" every one or two revisions. But I am part of what I would consider the larger group of users that seldom have the luxury of looking at a new computer as anything but a replacement, (I basically wear my laptops out after 3+ years heavy mobile use). For these types of users, the new unibody represents a huge leap in performance. If you are not this type of shopper, relax and continue saving your money for the quad-cores that will undoubtedly come after Apple releases the multi-core optimized snow Leopard.
Technology is primarily an iterative process punctuated by larger changes every 3-5 years. Those expecting each release of an Apple computer to stand the competition or Apple's own product line on its head are not acknowledging this reality.
Well said. My PB G4 has served me well for many years, and if I buy a new 17" as I am inclined to do it will be a major upgrade. And at the same price that I paid for the G4 (actually less since it is in 2009 dollars).
I'm going to assume the obvious that this new 17" has the same build quality keyboard and trackpad in the current unibody Macbooks and MPB 15"'s, i.e., utter shyte. I messed around with a 15" a few days ago at my university book store, and it felt like a tinker toy. They'll have to pry my 2007 MBP from my cold, dead fingers before I'd "upgrade" to that.
The downtown Palo Alto Apple Store, which usually gets new products in fairly early, still does not have the 17" on display, and an associate told me this afternoon (2/3) that the 17" MBP's are listed as "in shipment", which he claims means they should arrive in a few days.
The US online Apple Store still lists a 7-10 day ship time, with the only difference being that changing the screen from glossy to anti-glare does *not* cause the ship time to change from "7-10 days" to "2-3 weeks" anymore -- it is now 7-10 days with seemingly all configurations.
Has anyone received their 17" MBP yet, or spotted one at any store?
The US online Apple Store still lists a 7-10 day ship time, with the only difference being that changing the screen from glossy to anti-glare does *not* cause the ship time to change from "7-10 days" to "2-3 weeks" anymore -- it is now 7-10 days with seemingly all configurations.
Has anyone received their 17" MBP yet, or spotted one at any store?
Thats a shame, id say 90% of the people who have unibodies feel they are MUCH better built.
Great, thanks Apple, for a new $3000 laptop in today's economy...
Don't forget to thank Alienware, Sony, HP, and Dell too. Everybody offers $3,000 laptops!
(Although Apple's is the only one worth it. ) P.S. I'm really sick of this "ooooh the economy is so bad" BS. Seems like nobody can sell anything for over a dollar anymore without people freaking out. Spend the cash if you want the economy to improve.
my unibody 15 does not display colors properly calibrated on an external monitor. It is a new non resolved OSX issue that makes new macs unusable in photography.
Does this computer have the same problem?
Does this computer have the same problem?
P.S. I'm really sick of this "ooooh the economy is so bad" BS. Seems like nobody can sell anything for over a dollar anymore without people freaking out. Spend the cash if you want the economy to improve.
Well said
OMFG...thank you thank you thank you thank you!!! I swear to God if I read one more post by a certain Dell troll on this forum (who I'm pretty sure is actually Michael Dell himself) I'm going to s*** myself. The sad thing is, this dude can actually create the illusion that he knows what he's talking about...sort of like his own reality distortion field. Thanks again...you put my silent frustration into words.
The world would not be an enjoyable place if everyone had the same opinion. Instead of trying to change peoples mind about a certain product. You should be happy that you get it and praise them for their decision. End of discussion, you are a mac he is a PC. You are a macbook flippa he is a right clicka!