1Password 8 for Mac Released With New Design and Features

[MallardDuck]

Only if you use it for every site? Consider the options... maybe you just use it for all the unimportant ones? But then... how do you remember the important ones? What's your solution?

They generate extremely strong passwords with very high entropy. Basically if you can remember a password, then it's guessable. That's why you have a master passphrase not password for the vault itself. a long sentence - puppy shark tree eats dolphin shoes! or something like that. Since that passphrase never leaves your computer, short of having a keylogger installed (and then it's game over anyway), and each site has it's own unique strong password , if one site is compromised, then the bad guys can't cascade across all the others.

Note that your email account is the most important to secure with an unguessable, unrememberable password because it's used to unlock/recover all the other accounts.

 

[jkool]

Remember the time when AgileBits stopped by MacRumors to let us know they weren't forcing a subscription on anyone? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Boris Bronson]

I would pay £600 a month for this Electron app so Dave and Roustem can go on a company booze cruise somewhere like Bali instead of slumming it in the Caribbean every year.

Go Python and Tkinter instead of Electron, ramp up my CPU cycles and memory usage and I will throw at least a £1000 a month for a sub limited to 10 sites only.

Scum company.

 

[Paradoxally]

It's also a bloated unstable mess. I have slack lockup hard a couple of times a week, requiring a force quit, and sometimes even a reboot. Memory usage is 10x what it is for a native app too.

On Intel, they would just freeze sometimes and I'd have to quit. I have never had this experience on M1 with any Electron app (except for Teams, which is running under Rosetta).

Slack, Discord, VS Code are all fast and snappy. Not as snappy opening a native app, but once they're open I don't notice it.

I would say having ample amounts of RAM helps more than anything else. 16 GB at least if you're a heavy user of these Electron apps.

 

[bradman83]

Exactly. Cross-platform frameworks like Electron can be a perfectly good compromise. Like it or not, I spend much of my working day in either cross-platform apps or web apps - some of them are really bad (MS Teams!), others are perfectly fine.

People have very strong feelings about 'native Mac apps', but at least in my usage that ship has long sailed - only a small number of apps I use would fit that definition. Even many of Apple's own apps now have weird non-standard UIs.

People seem to have two concerns over Electron - the first being that they're resource hogs relative to an app's function, and the second being that it's basically just a website stuffed into a wrapper and therefore doesn't "feel" Mac-like. They hold up Teams as an example of Electron.

The first is a valid point. Apps like Teams suffer because Teams itself is fairly complex. An Electron version of Word or Lightroom would be a disaster, but simpler apps (Facebook Messenger, Discord, etc.) can perform just fine and not over-use resources.

As to the second point, again Teams is designed to have a consistent UI across platforms. There are plenty of examples of Electron apps that use Mac design language and native UI widgets. 1Password 8 uses Big Sur design language and looks plenty Mac-like.

So yeah, Electron itself is not the problem as long as the app is designed with care and with Mac UI design principles in mind. And if it means more dedicated apps on the Mac instead of having to use a browser for everything then I'm all for it.

 

[Paradoxally]

Remember the time when AgileBits stopped by MacRumors to let us know they weren't forcing a subscription on anyone? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

6 years ago? Many companies would be bankrupt by now.

Agilebits just followed the industry in order to survive. Almost everything is a subscription now, review what you really need daily and cut everything you don't use.

In my case, 1Password is essential.

 

[dugbee]

I've been using 1Password for as long as I can remember. I don't have a problem paying for software. Subscription-based software definitely leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but if it meets my needs and is a reasonable cost, then OK.

However my main gripe is being forced to use their cloud service. If I had to pay for a subscription but still got to choose my sync method (local, iCloud Drive, whatever) then I'd sign up. I understand their security posture and have read the papers. I also know that if my data is never put in a given location, it can't be compromised from that location.

Also, still no subdomain support? A lot of my dev/home sites reside in one domain, with different accounts. server1.example.com, server2.example.com - 1Password, please give me the option filtering the search on the full URL.

So I'm holding fast with my old v7 until I've thought about it some more.

 

[i11uminatus]

Better is subjective. Agilebits gives Bitwarden a masterclass in UI and UX design.

1Password is more polished, but imo Bitwarden is as good in 2022, certainly feature-wise. I would've probably switched to it, but my 'old' family-tier pricing on 1P does not make much sense to do so.

 

[Boris Bronson]

Remember the time when AgileBits stopped by MacRumors to let us know they weren't forcing a subscription on anyone? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

lol - all the people on that thread who were anti Agile Bits that are now suspended. Wonder if that’s just a coincidence or whether I can expect a ban for not worshipping at their altar.

 

[canadianpj]

I still don’t understand what makes these password managers more secure like … if you know the master password, you have access to EVERY password instead of maybe the password of one site

If you know the master password, the master key, and my 2-factor authentication you mean?

 

[Gmouse]

Soooo...in trying to upgrade, from MacOS version 7.9.4, I don't see a version 8 available for upgrade/download?!?! I am on a subscription with them...

 

[canadianpj]

I came here to see all the complaining and was not disappointed.

I've been using 1Password 8 in beta for a while and like the cleaner, faster interface. I have no intention of putting all my eggs in one basket by using Apple for my password manager as well, I think that's rather foolish. My passwords, 2-factor and otherwise are all separate applications.

 

[johannnn]

From: https://1password.com/company/

"500+ EMPLOYEES"

So 500 employees got together to make ONE app, and they made it in electron? Like, can you be more lazy?

 

[uptownnyc]

I switched to BitWarden and run my own repository in a docker instance on my Synology, I'm in full control over all of my passwords!

Any setup guide for this that you'd recommend?

 

[urtules]

I disabled auto updates in the Map App Store and will use version 7 as long as it works. Electron? No thank you.

 

[Lioness~]

So I'm holding fast with my old v7 until I've thought about it some more.

So am I ?
When I got my Mac Studio, I'll explore it more.

Seems there's 2 other option given here: Bitwarden and Minimalist.
Or just using Apple's that I doubt would be enough.

 

[LV426]

Honestly? My favorite is using it as my Authenticator/2FA app. I pull up a website, 1Password fills in the user-name/password, and then when the 2FA field opens, it fills that in as well.

Recent versions of Safari also provide authenticator app functionality. No need for a dedicated authenticator app.

For those not familiar with the technology as used, for example, by Amazon & eBay... once you've entered your regular user name and password, the website challenges the browser to prove it's you by providing an expected authentication code (different every time). Safari can do this for you. More convenient and safer than using an SMS message to prove you are who you say you are.

 

[So@So@So]

I am using Safe+ so I keep all data stored on my devices with synchronization over WiFi. It's also much cheaper and has no subscriptions.

 

[canadianpj]

I disabled auto updates in the Map App Store and will use version 7 as long as it works. Electron? No thank you.

Why? In detail.

It's faster, cleaner and easier to use. What a horrible update.

 

[MisterSavage]

6 years ago? Many companies would be bankrupt by now.

Agilebits just followed the industry in order to survive. Almost everything is a subscription now, review what you really need daily and cut everything you don't use.

In my case, 1Password is essential.

I bought a 1Password license in 2018 for $50 and wasn't expecting it to last 6+ years. I would have happily bought another license for the new version a few years later but we are no longer given that option. With the subscription prices they have I'd be paying over twice as much for the same length of time. That was enough to get me looking at alternatives and I'm happy I switched.

 

[switz]

Just copying Adobe with subscription service only. I no longer use any Adobe products (started with Photoshop- 1.7 on floppy discs) when it became subscription only. Closed 1P when they did the same thing.

 

[iObama]

Serious question: How is 1Password different than macOS's built-in password features (macOS offers synced keychain, 2FA, and password notes).

What features does 1Password offer that I'm not already getting?

Edit: Not counting cross-platform compatibility. Does it offer any other features macOS lacks?

Cross-platform compatibility is one of the biggest selling points lol. And cross-browser compatibility at that.

Also, iCloud Keychain is messy. I don't want to have to go into Settings to find my passwords three clicks down. 1Password is much more full-featured, and allows the storage of more than just passwords.

 

[ifxf]

Serious question: How is 1Password different than macOS's built-in password features (macOS offers synced keychain, 2FA, and password notes).

What features does 1Password offer that I'm not already getting?

Edit: Not counting cross-platform compatibility. Does it offer any other features macOS lacks?

- generic autofill for web sites this can be used to save multiple address, Apple only supports one address and does not have generic fill.
- saves and fills the CVV of credit cards, Apple won’t save this
- store pictures of important cards

Apple partially supports some of these but its not a one stop management location.

 

[BobSc]

I still don’t understand what makes these password managers more secure like … if you know the master password, you have access to EVERY password instead of maybe the password of one site

So, are you capable of remembering 100 different passwords? Or would you use one password for everything?

 

[ackmondual]

Just buy them already, Apple!

If they did, they'll probably change the name to Apple Password and keep it as a subscription service. On the plus side, if it gets added to Apple One (hopefully the Individual tier and NOT the Premier tier), some of us already subscribe to Apple One anyways.