1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[turbineseaplane]

I don’t mind subscriptions. Developers need a steady state of revenue. I ain’t gonna use some software that turns into abandonware because the developer couldn’t pay his rent.

I do however mind electron apps. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2021/08/11/1password-8-for-mac-early-access/ said it best:
“A two-person team can write a native AppKit app, but a team of 473 starting with a mature AppKit codebase has other priorities.”

Yeah - I'm trying to keep an open mind about the Electron part of things...but I just hate to see it honestly.

AgileBits used to hold itself up as a true best in class, example of "how to do native Mac Apps.
It's just crushing to see them, of all shops, punting on it.

The Mac has really lost something when a developer like this bails on native.

Only thing worse to me would be somebody like Panic going to Electron.
I just threw up in my mouth a little even saying that...

 

[bradl]

But -- you'll own it.
If you wait to even buy it, you may lose the chance!

So let me ask it this way as well. If I buy it now, it should stay available for me to download, assuming that they don't pull 1P7 from the App Store, right? Because if I buy it now, and download it now, I'd have to download it again (the Mx version) when new Macs are out.

BL.

 

[turbineseaplane]

So let me ask it this way as well. If I buy it now, it should stay available for me to download, assuming that they don't pull 1P7 from the App Store, right? Because if I buy it now, and download it now, I'd have to download it again (the Mx version) when new Macs are out.

BL.

Yep - buying while they're still selling is really the main thing to do.
There's no way they'll pull access to it for a long long time

 

[turbineseaplane]

The comments here at Michael Tsai's article on this are heartening at least.

This move to Electron is a bummer for a lot of us long timers --- and a real red alert moment for Mac software in my view.

Michael Tsai - Blog - 1Password 8 for Mac Early Access

mjtsai.com

 

[0924487]

Except in most cases you can’t - as far as I know, you can’t resell licenses for 1Password, Final Cut Pro, etc.

MS Office can be resold as long as you deactivate the original copy. I gave my copy to my mom. Same with Autodesk products.

For others, you can transfer the software license along with the hardware hosting the software, e.g., Windows 7.

PlayStation games can be bought used or sold if you buy the disk edition.

 

[thespyder]

Yep - buying while they're still selling is really the main thing to do.
There's no way they'll pull access to it for a long long time

Unfortunately @bradl can't buy it - the standalone purchase option is only available in the app (assuming it still works). So it's completely unavailable on Sierra.

 

[bradl]

Yep - buying while they're still selling is really the main thing to do.
There's no way they'll pull access to it for a long long time

Unfortunately @bradl can't buy it - the standalone purchase option is only available in the app (assuming it still works). So it's completely unavailable on Sierra.

Just pulled it down. Glad I didn't grab it from the Mac App Store. The version in the App store requires the 1Password.com membership, which is a monthly cost. Grabbing the thick client from the 1Password website appears to allow you to buy the standalone license.

What's even funnier is that the Mac App store version requires Sierra as the minimum OS, while the version on the 1Password website says that it requires High Sierra. We'll see what happens when new Macs come out. Hopefully it will still be available for re-download by then. The 1Password site detects the OS from the browser used to hit the page (it's part of the access log for any website), so it gave me the x86-64 version.

BL.

 

[iRockMan1]

The only thing I hate worse than not being able to own software is Electron, and AgileBits decided to embrace both of those in 1Password 8.

 

[Trager]

$3/month (for a single user) is hardly "ridiculous" LOL! I mean, I guarantee 99% of the people on this forum have FAR more than $3/month of non-necessary items (think fast food, etc.) they could cut out of their budget to pay for that. I mean, we're talking about 10 cents per day. Just look at the sidewalk when you go outside and you'll likely find that on the ground from loose change people have dropped 🤣 And for 5 users it comes to about $1 per month per user (3 cents per day).

I've been a 1Password customer since last year and am absolutely loving it!

EDIT: For those "disliking" this comment, I'd LOVE for you to actually logically explain to me how $3/month is "ridiculously expensive" (rather than just clicking a thumbs down). I mean, if you're like me, you use a password manager all day every day. If anything, I think it's dirt cheap for what you get. Same goes for Microsoft 365 (someone ragged on that too earlier). I guess if for some odd reason you need a password manager that you rarely use, then it would be relatively expensive compared to the utility of it, but I can't imagine such a use-case.

Well, let’s see. For $99 a year, I could get Microsoft 365 for a family, which means I’m getting the entire Microsoft Office suite for 6 people for $16.50 per user per year. Or I could pay more than twice as much for… a password manager. Admittedly, it’s a pretty good password manager. But the cost is outlandish for what the service is.

That’s especially true when you consider that one of the big advantages of 1P was the ability to host my own vault for information that I don’t want on a server someplace. The deciding question will be whether the iOS/iPadOS apps get converted to Electron. I suspect that if that happens, it’ll be time to find a new password manager.

 

[kristofferR]

One of the additional early concerns raised with Electron was that we might lose some of the tight integration with the OS that people have come to love and expect. We made sure that didn’t happen.

I'd suggest giving it a try. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

- Ben, 1Password

That's just bs:

It doesn't look and feel like a native app at all. Modal windows, seriously?

Thanks for making Mission Control less useful. The whole point of it is to expose all your open windows, yet you've decided to switch to fake windows inside of windows instead.

 

[mariusignorello]

The $9.99 I pay for the Teams subscription is absolutely worth it for keeping a small work group's passwords shared and in sync. Until Keychain has sharing then it is useless for me.

 

[Puonti]

For fans of 1Password who are interested in self-hosting it doesn't hurt to respond to this official survey:

Self-hosted 1Password kick-starter | 1Password

survey.1password.com

 

[Boris Bronson]

For fans of 1Password who are interested in self-hosting it doesn't hurt to respond to this official survey:

Self-hosted 1Password kick-starter | 1Password

survey.1password.com

Did that but you just know it won’t happen for yonks, will be non-native and they will ream you via needing a sub to “authenticate securely”.

They’ve shown their hand over the past few years now and it’s ugly.

 

[Janichsan]

Standalone vaults will not be available in 1Password 8. Additional details can be found here.

I don't subscribe software and am loath to trusting cloud-based services with every fiber of my body.

I've been using 1Password since v2. Well, no more.

 

[weckart]

Apple, just buy the damn company already.

Your Keychain Access app sucks, your Passwords preference pane sucks, your Passwords Safari settings section sucks, your iOS Passwords settings section sucks.

How hard is it to build a proper full-featured app and call it Passwords???

Like Coverview and all those "must-haves" that Apple bought in the past, lost interest in and left to wither and die. Nah.

I'd rather an OS did less (in Apple's case MUCH less) and just did it less buggily and more quickly. Leave all the tweaks and applets to third parties rather than bog the system down for those of us who don't use them.

 

[lostom]

$3/month (for a single user) is hardly "ridiculous" LOL! I mean, I guarantee 99% of the people on this forum have FAR more than $3/month of non-necessary items (think fast food, etc.) they could cut out of their budget to pay for that. I mean, we're talking about 10 cents per day. Just look at the sidewalk when you go outside and you'll likely find that on the ground from loose change people have dropped 🤣 And for 5 users it comes to about $1 per month per user (3 cents per day).

I've been a 1Password customer since last year and am absolutely loving it!

EDIT: For those "disliking" this comment, I'd LOVE for you to actually logically explain to me how $3/month is "ridiculously expensive" (rather than just clicking a thumbs down). I mean, if you're like me, you use a password manager all day every day. If anything, I think it's dirt cheap for what you get. Same goes for Microsoft 365 (someone ragged on that too earlier). I guess if for some odd reason you need a password manager that you rarely use, then it would be relatively expensive compared to the utility of it, but I can't imagine such a use-case.

It costs double your pricing or more in other countries (depending on exchange rate) so it could be considered expensive to others from those outside of (assuming you're from) the US.

I pay more than $3 per month in my country, but I do agree with you, it's cheap to me for something that I use on numerous devices and multi platform, daily.

I have considered trying other apps for passwords, haven't yet though may do so at some point in time.

1Password has never let me down and has saved me $$$$ and possible gaol time in South East Asia, so I do have an affection towards it.

 

[jfim88]

Bitwarden is the way guys

 

[lostom]

Any company can charge fees for providing updates and that's fine. Sketch does this. The issue is that there's no reason 1Password should have removed standalone vaults, except to hold their customers hostage.

I think I'm in this boat unfortunately.
never really tried other options, always been have the status quo, times may be changing.

 

[lostom]

I’m not a Canuck but hello there, sensible North American cousin!

One of the side benefits of 1P was a company growing outside of Silicon Valley so nationality aside, there was a bonus to promoting it.

As a user since v1 of 1Passwd - Agile Bits needs to know why some of us are a bit ‘passionate’ in our criticism: we ran with 1P and acted like affiliates for families and colleagues. We didn’t get an ounce of recognition, nor even a small discount from upgrades. We brought hundreds if not thousands of new users into the fold for Agile Bits on the basis it was trustworthy company and doing it for the right reasons. Further, we acted as de facto support in lieu of any effective support provided by Agile Bits.

We did all that despite the fact support got worse and worse. That statement A lasted two minutes until statement B was made signalling a complete 360. Whilst Dave and Roustem and the AB vets got rich of our support. And for the past five years they have kept us dangling whilst all along they were set on shelving stand-alone licences and vaults, and removing native code.

Talk about a kick in the face, and no doubt the first graders who defend Apple’s every move will be along shortly to call us stupid for investing in this company.

This is a perfect summation, well said sensible US person from the land down under.

I actually feel very personal about this, as I've been invested for a long time also ( can't remember version, more than 7 years though) and got on board because of Dave making it feel you're a part of the team and the team is there for us, (simplistic version), now I'm feeling negative about AB and 1PW, I don't like that.

I will be looking elsewhere and it's nothing to do with $, I can afford the subs, I don't like the directions this is going though.

 

[MisterSavage]

What hasn't been stated outright is whether 1Password v7 will remain available on the App Store for new customers when v8 is released. Personally I highly doubt it. Existing customers should of course continue to be able to install it from the "past purchases" page while their version of macOS remains compatible with it.

With this in mind for your plan as stated up top the best move forward would be to install v7 now, launch it and see if the license option appears (I believe it's a small text link that appears early in the first launch experience). If it does, purchase the license and you're set for your near-future M1 Mac (for as long as the program works, as you said).

That won't help you. The version of 1Password 7 from the App Store doesn't give you the option to buy a license. Only the version downloaded form the 1Password website would do that. I say that as a person who bought a license. This is another reason why the statement that customers preferred subscriptions frustrates me. How many consumers knew this difference?

Just pulled it down. Glad I didn't grab it from the Mac App Store. The version in the App store requires the 1Password.com membership, which is a monthly cost. Grabbing the thick client from the 1Password website appears to allow you to buy the standalone license.

Yep, that's how I got my license.

 

[usagora]

It costs double your pricing or more in other countries (depending on exchange rate) so it could be considered expensive to others from those outside of (assuming you're from) the US.

I pay more than $3 per month in my country, but I do agree with you, it's cheap to me for something that I use on numerous devices and multi platform, daily.

I have considered trying other apps for passwords, haven't yet though may do so at some point in time.

1Password has never let me down and has saved me $$$$ and possible gaol time in South East Asia, so I do have an affection towards it.

Sure, I understand prices vary based on where you live, but it's still cheap, like you said.

 

[lostom]

For those curious about Bitwarden, they offer a premium version which offers a few extra bells and whistles for $12 a year. I think it is worth the price. I have been happy.

I'm curious, I'll take a look , thanks for the heads up.

 

[usagora]

Well, let’s see. For $99 a year, I could get Microsoft 365 for a family, which means I’m getting the entire Microsoft Office suite for 6 people for $16.50 per user per year. Or I could pay more than twice as much for… a password manager. Admittedly, it’s a pretty good password manager. But the cost is outlandish for what the service is.

That’s especially true when you consider that one of the big advantages of 1P was the ability to host my own vault for information that I don’t want on a server someplace. The deciding question will be whether the iOS/iPadOS apps get converted to Electron. I suspect that if that happens, it’ll be time to find a new password manager.

Hey, don't forget the 1TB of OneDrive storage for EACH of those 6 people! I'm a Microsoft 365 subscriber myself, so you're preaching to the choir. Just because it's an even BETTER deal doesn't make 1Password a bad deal. Also consider Microsoft is an ENORMOUS company compared to most other software companies, so they sell FAR more volume.

 

[lostom]

Another thought after reading some comments on this thread. It seems like many forget in the midst of their rhetoric that software companies such as AgileBits are in business to make money and maximize profits. How ridiculous to call this "greed" or "reaming" customers. They aren't charities or government-subsidized programs to make software affordable for everyone. Greedy companies overprice products and end up going out of business. I highly doubt that's going to happen here, LOL! Obviously they make more money with the subscription model than the perpetual license model, so that's what they're going to do. If the bean counters in the company down the road see that it's not as profitable, they'll change. Simple as that. Of course they'll lose some customers who are "outraged" about the loss of standalone licenses, but it's not going to hurt them because most people are fine with the subscription model. And of course, it's not like you have to sign up for 5 years or something. It's a yearly commitment of $36 for a single user. Big whoop. If you decide it's not for you after a year, then move on to another product.

This is just a random thought, and probably a reflection of my feelings.

1password was the Rocky story and we got on board with it for a long time, now our hero is changing and we don't like it, because he's changed.

People don't like change generally, so we get our back up, some will change, some will complain, so will do nothing except complain and don't change, because they're in the comfort zone, that's where AB wants us.

I'm likely one of the comfort zone customers and will find it difficult to change, as I've been on the platform for a longtime and generally happy, I will be looking elsewhere though, even it's just to check on options, which I've never done previously.

 

[grantew1]

LastPass is still working great for us. It would take a lot to switch.

Another user of LastPass and it's amazing. Couldn't deal without it.