1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[deeddawg]

Lots of people are complaining about the price, but they do offer standalone users a 50% discount for the next 3 years (3x36*0.5=$54 for 3 years) https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

Haven't read all the comments, but as I wrote previously the issue for me (and for at least some others) is not price.

It's that you end up locked into continuing to pay for the software even if they make changes/updates which provide zero value.

Or even disabling an important feature such as their removal of local vaults.

The discounted sub for standalone users is nothing more than them buying customers a happy meal before bending them over the barrel.

 

[Puonti]

The version of 1Password 7 from the App Store doesn't give you the option to buy a license. Only the version downloaded form the 1Password website would do that.

Ah, true.

Unfortunately since I don't yet have an Apple Silicon Mac I can't help with downloading the AS client from the 1Password website - assuming the website auto-downloads an installer just for the target system. Maybe someone else can help bradl with that.

 

[lostom]

Another user of LastPass and it's amazing. Couldn't deal without it.

1PW has zero trackers, LastPass has 7, just saying, maybe a big deal maybe not, not something I like when dealing with security, not judging, just my thoughts.

 

[Ethere]

Bitwarden is the way guys

I've attempted to use Bitwarden, and the auto fill features do not work nearly as well as 1Password (at least for me).

 

[jfim88]

I've attempted to use Bitwarden, and the auto fill features do not work nearly as well as 1Password (at least for me).

For me it just works very good. Been using it since very months ago and it’s a marvel, and it’s free. I have it also in my MacBook Air M1, in my Windows PC, and works flawlessly across all devices.

 

[MisterSavage]

For me it just works very good. Been using it since very months ago and it’s a marvel, and it’s free. I have it also in my MacBook Air M1, in my Windows PC, and works flawlessly across all devices.

Autofill has been great for me also, including filling out "identity" fields such as name and address. Every once in a while a credit card number won't fill in but I just copy/paste when that happens.

 

[everlast3434]

Loooong time 1P user. Such a great app, despite being moved to a subscription model, it's still worth it IMO.

 

[MacBH928]

$30/yearly is too much for a password manager. If that is the only thing you had to pay for then fine but between email, vpn, and other subscriptions things could really easily add up. While its ok to give up something like a streaming service, password manager is too critical to be tied to a subscription.

No one believe the lie about on going development, Bitwarden seems to be doing just fine with FREE single user license. 1Password could easily charge for a new release every 3-4 years to make up for any development cost. At a mere 1 million users that pay $60 per license, I am going to guess $60M is enough to cover any developement cost. Note we do not know how many people buy 1password, they could be 10 million making the number $600M.

 

[msackey]

I actually feel very personal about this, as I've been invested for a long time also ( can't remember version, more than 7 years though) and got on board because of Dave making it feel you're a part of the team and the team is there for us, (simplistic version), now I'm feeling negative about AB and 1PW, I don't like that.

I hear you. I looked back at my receipts and apparently I’ve been using 1Password since 2011! That was version 3. I’ve purchased a number of upgrades since then and even bought a Windows version when I changed jobs and the company used Windows instead of Macs.

Too bad, too bad….

 

[deeddawg]

No one believe the lie about on going development, Bitwarden seems to be doing just fine with FREE single user license.

Speaking generally since I haven't looked at Bitwarden:

Always question why free software is free. Landlords and grocery stores don't operate on good intentions. Not saying there aren't innocuous free-mium business models, but be sure to understand just exactly why some company/developers are giving away something of value to you.

1Password could easily charge for a new release every 3-4 years to make up for any development cost. At a mere 1 million users that pay $60 per license, I am going to guess $60M is enough to cover any developement cost. Note we do not know how many people buy 1password, they could be 10 million making the number $600M.

I'd even go as far as saying that the charge-for-major-release-upgrades model is better for consumers since it provides a better incentive for the company to come up with a new version with stuff the consumers truly want to pay for.

With the subscription model, the company need only put out enough of an update not to pss off too many subscribers sufficiently that they go elsewhere.

 

[MisterSavage]

Speaking generally since I haven't looked at Bitwarden:

Always question why free software is free. Landlords and grocery stores don't operate on good intentions. Not saying there aren't innocuous free-mium business models, but be sure to understand just exactly why some company/developers are giving away something of value to you.

I generally agree with this but BW makes a good chunk of money from charging for their enterprise accounts. Plus their code is open source so if they were doing funny business in the code it would be noted by the community.

 

[deeddawg]

I generally agree with this but BW makes a good chunk of money from charging for their enterprise accounts. Plus their code is open source so if they were doing funny business in the code it would be noted by the community.

Yep, that's not a "bad" business model.

My point wasn't a ding against BW, but was more general that folks should be cautious about anything that's free.

 

[usagora]

$30/yearly is too much for a password manager. If that is the only thing you had to pay for then fine but between email, vpn, and other subscriptions things could really easily add up. While its ok to give up something like a streaming service, password manager is too critical to be tied to a subscription.

This seems backwards to me. The fact that it is so critical is precisely WHY I think it's worth the subscription. That's why I don't mind subscribing to 1Password along with other software such as Microsoft 365, Acrobat Pro DC, etc. because these are critical apps to me that I use constantly. If I only occasionally or rarely used them, then a subscription wouldn't make sense.

No one believe the lie about on going development, Bitwarden seems to be doing just fine with FREE single user license. 1Password could easily charge for a new release every 3-4 years to make up for any development cost. At a mere 1 million users that pay $60 per license, I am going to guess $60M is enough to cover any developement cost. Note we do not know how many people buy 1password, they could be 10 million making the number $600M.

Maybe I'm missing your meaning/point here, but businesses need to do more than just cover their costs (break even) - they need to make a profit! If they can make a huge profit, more power to them. The market decides that.

 

[MisterSavage]

Yep, that's not a "bad" business model.

My point wasn't a ding against BW, but was more general that folks should be cautious about anything that's free.

100% agree.

 

[Enlightened Doggo]

I think I'm in this boat unfortunately.
never really tried other options, always been have the status quo, times may be changing.

Thankfully people have long since figured out how to work with the legacy 1Password vault format, so I'm just going to whip up a little utility to export those. The question is what program to use next.

 

[usagora]

This is just a random thought, and probably a reflection of my feelings.

1password was the Rocky story and we got on board with it for a long time, now our hero is changing and we don't like it, because he's changed.

People don't like change generally, so we get our back up, some will change, some will complain, so will do nothing except complain and don't change, because they're in the comfort zone, that's where AB wants us.

I'm likely one of the comfort zone customers and will find it difficult to change, as I've been on the platform for a longtime and generally happy, I will be looking elsewhere though, even it's just to check on options, which I've never done previously.

I get the psychology of it, but at the end of the day, it IS just software, not a family member, and the user just needs to decide if it's still worth it for them. I look at it as, hey, you got a GREAT deal with standalone licensing for a long time, and now you're being asked to pay that same price (or close to it) yearly and never have to pay to upgrade again. To me, that's still a deal for this type of software, but everyone needs to decide for themselves. I just grow weary of certain people who start throwing shade at a company or their product just because their pricing model no longer works for their budget. It's just business. Deal with it and stop whining! (not saying you are doing this, but many do)

 

[umbilical]

Apple, just buy the damn company already.

Your Keychain Access app sucks, your Passwords preference pane sucks, your Passwords Safari settings section sucks, your iOS Passwords settings section sucks.

How hard is it to build a proper full-featured app and call it Passwords???

no thank you! I don't want be related with anything about my info on Apple.
I don't use anything about iCloud, I don't trust in Apple, Google or anything like that.
I prefer individual companies like 1Password, ProtonMail etc.

 

[BigMcGuire]

After a system restart (consequent to software update to beta 5, Monterey) I now realise how slow 1Password 8 is on the Mac. I will give the whole system time to settle and then see if this is constant, but prima facie I am not a fan on non-native apps, and I did see how there is nearly double RAM usage as against the previous version. This is not good at all. They are introducing problems.

Their software works just fine as is in version 7, it did not require a move to Electron and double the RAM usage.

Well that's incredibly disappointing. This is something that bothers me and worries me. The move to these simplified apps ruining usability in the name for easier development really bug me - especially when price doesn't change and you know the company is letting developers go for more profit due to the easier development. What's funny is, they usually save $ in the short run, then wonder why everyone abandons them later on. Profit this month at all expense then wonder why company collapses a year later or so!

Speaking generally since I haven't looked at Bitwarden:

Always question why free software is free. Landlords and grocery stores don't operate on good intentions. Not saying there aren't innocuous free-mium business models, but be sure to understand just exactly why some company/developers are giving away something of value to you.


I'd even go as far as saying that the charge-for-major-release-upgrades model is better for consumers since it provides a better incentive for the company to come up with a new version with stuff the consumers truly want to pay for.

With the subscription model, the company need only put out enough of an update not to pss off too many subscribers sufficiently that they go elsewhere.

Yes, I usually prefer to pay for something - knowing that it will be supported and not be monetized through some other (usually detrimental to customer) way.

 

[sppunk]

I've been using IPassword for years (got in a free Dropbox-hosted vault system) and have 6 installed on my Mac (though I use the iOS app 99 percent of the time as I'm not on my Mac as much anymore. I was going to start paying however for 2FA purposes (our account doesn't have that).

The cost for 1P for a family is $5/month and Bitwarden is $3/month (free version doesn't have family support). $24 isn't much of a difference over a year to move into an entire unknown ecosystem.

What am I missing? I understand those upset with the app dev issue itself but I'll hardly ever use it (I never use it now, instead just use the Safari/Chrome extension).

 

[PeteBurgh]

I look at it as, hey, you got a GREAT deal with standalone licensing for a long time, and now you're being asked to pay that same price (or close to it) yearly and never have to pay to upgrade again. To me, that's still a deal for this type of software, but everyone needs to decide for themselves. I just grow weary of certain people who start throwing shade at a company or their product just because their pricing model no longer works for their budget.

This is well put, I completely agree.

There is always so much sturm und drang about subscriptions here. I get that it's a model that doesn't suit everyone, but there seems to be a lot of treating as a violation of some sacred oath, which is a bit much.

Password managers are a very competitive market, with lots of excellent alternatives (widely discussed above) to suit different needs, philosophies and budgets, so it's hardly like unhappy users are stuck.

 

[jakebrosy]

I happily pay for various subscriptions but the passwords I use to access my brokerage and banking accounts aren't going to live on someone else's servers--anywhere--ever. They are stored on my encrypted hard drive behind a firewall and whatever encryption a local 1Password vault offers. And are not a large or high-value target to anyone but me.

I know this is probably old fashioned but what will I do when everything at 1Password.com is locked behind a ransomware demand. (https://www.reuters.com/technology/...by-companies-hit-mass-cyberattack-2021-07-05/) or (https://www.zdnet.com/article/colonial-pipeline-ransomware-attack-everything-you-need-to-know/) or (https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/jbs-admits-paying-revil-ransomware/) or (https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/insurance-giant-paid-40-million/) or (https://www.accenture.com/us-en/insights/security/ransomware-response-recovery) or...the hits just keep on coming.

Better question: what will YOU do?

 

[Boris Bronson]

So those bods asking us to pipe down never speak up in the hope of changing something they don’t like? It’s how change happens FFS.

Getting reamed for subs happens precisely because not enough users spoke up in the beginning.

 

[turbineseaplane]

So those bods asking us to pipe down never speak up in the hope of changing something they don’t like?

I've come to learn that a significant portion of people are really rather complicit with changes (good or bad ones).

 

[MisterSavage]

I know this is probably old fashioned but what will I do when everything at 1Password.com is locked behind a ransomware demand. (https://www.reuters.com/technology/...by-companies-hit-mass-cyberattack-2021-07-05/) or (https://www.zdnet.com/article/colonial-pipeline-ransomware-attack-everything-you-need-to-know/) or (https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/jbs-admits-paying-revil-ransomware/) or (https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/insurance-giant-paid-40-million/) or (https://www.accenture.com/us-en/insights/security/ransomware-response-recovery) or...the hits just keep on coming.

Better question: what will YOU do?

Make a regular local backup of my data in an encrypted container.

 

[phytonix]

Wow. I've been a subscriber and license holder for a while. Now on Family plan. All my subscription money funded for this Electron BS? The app doesn't feel native any more, and so far the beta seems to be running smoothly, it is less intuitive, it feels foreign to Mac platform, and uses more memory. The latest move also suggest the further lockdown of the platform. I have canceled my subscription. We will be migrating to KeePass based open solutions.

Currently trying Strongbox on iOS and macOS. It is not as polished but seems to get the job done, and it supports native password filler on macOS. I suggest others migrate their vault to KeePass format before getting locked down too far in 1Password v8.