1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[Wookbert]

People are very happy paying $9.99 subscription for Apple Music for their entertainment but complains about paying $2.99 to protect and storage their own private stuff and online security.

I'm not happy to pay for any subscription of that kind. I (just like many people) hate the feeling of having to pay for something forever. I prefer to own things. There are cases where renting is cheaper, but here with the future of 1Pwd, the opposite is true.

(The only "subscription" I have is my annual Amazon Prime, which I first and foremost use because of the free shipping ... having Amazon Prime Video is merely a side-effect. Amazon Music I'm not even looking at).

 

[thespyder]

All this chat about electron (which I agree is bad) and subscriptions (I'm a family subscriber but now looking at alternatives) and I haven't seen any mention of what is IMO the most egregious change - the keyboard shortcut.

I can totally appreciate that the old default isn't viable on non-english keyboards but to not make it customisable is unacceptable. Those of us who proudly claim "⌘\ is my password", some to the point of wearing it on a shirt, are left with broken muscle memory.

If there are issues with performance please do reach out to our support team so we can investigate.

If Microsoft with all their resources can't make electron performant you have no chance.

 

[usagora]

Another thought after reading some comments on this thread. It seems like many forget in the midst of their rhetoric that software companies such as AgileBits are in business to make money and maximize profits. How ridiculous to call this "greed" or "reaming" customers. They aren't charities or government-subsidized programs to make software affordable for everyone. Greedy companies overprice products and end up going out of business. I highly doubt that's going to happen here, LOL! Obviously they make more money with the subscription model than the perpetual license model, so that's what they're going to do. If the bean counters in the company down the road see that it's not as profitable, they'll change. Simple as that. Of course they'll lose some customers who are "outraged" about the loss of standalone licenses, but it's not going to hurt them because most people are fine with the subscription model. And of course, it's not like you have to sign up for 5 years or something. It's a yearly commitment of $36 for a single user. Big whoop. If you decide it's not for you after a year, then move on to another product.

 

[ideal.dreams]

They killed standalone licenses: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

Such a stupid move.

Looks like 1Password 7 will be the last iteration I support. Greedy.

 

[bradl]

Another thought after reading some comments on this thread. It seems like many forget in the midst of their rhetoric that software companies such as AgileBits are in business to make money and maximize profits. How ridiculous to call this "greed" or "reaming" customers. They aren't charities or government-subsidized programs to make software affordable for everyone. Greedy companies overprice products and end up going out of business. I highly doubt that's going to happen here, LOL! Obviously they make more money with the subscription model than the perpetual license model, so that's what they're going to do. If the bean counters in the company down the road see that it's not as profitable, they'll change. Simple as that. Of course they'll lose some customers who are "outraged" about the loss of standalone licenses, but it's not going to hurt them because most people are fine with the subscription model. And of course, it's not like you have to sign up for 5 years or something. It's a yearly commitment of $36 for a single user. Big whoop. If you decide it's not for you after a year, then move on to another product.

Umm... Just so you know, the thought you're having is actually stating the obvious. That is what we have been discussing over the last 10 pages: The subscription model, how it works for some people, how it doesn't for others, and what alternatives there may be from this decision.

Like I said for myself: If the standalone license for 1Password 7 is still available by the time the new Macs are launched, I'll get a new MBP, buy 1Password 7, and I'll be good for as long as the program works, just like how I am with 1Password 6.8.9.

What people are up in arms about is when the subscription model costs more than the license for the program that they already have. Once again, why pay more money over the period of a year for something you already have at a fixed cost, that you can keep using forever?

It's a math and logic question here, in which there isn't much of a response or decent answer that the subscription model can provide.

BL.

 

[dave070]

I understand ongoing development costs, but I'm not subscribing to a password manager app. Let me spend $40 for a major feature upgrade every 4 years like in the old days.

That's simply how things are going at this point. It's one of the best apps on the Mac so I have no problem paying for it. Sure, paying $40 and not updating for 4 years would be great but it also makes revenue planning more difficult for developers.

 

[msackey]

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People are very happy paying $9.99 subscription for Apple Music for their entertainment but complains about paying $2.99 to protect and storage their own private stuff and online security.

Umm...I "complain" about subscription for Apple Music. I don't have one! I did the free trial just to get a taste for what it is. When the free trial expired, I didn't subscribe. It doesn't interest me.

Happy to pay for a $100 upgrade to 1Password8 for a perpetual license for version 8.

 

[msackey]

That's simply how things are going at this point. It's one of the best apps on the Mac so I have no problem paying for it. Sure, paying $40 and not updating for 4 years would be great but it also makes revenue planning more difficult for developers.

Interesting how there's the implication that consumers should think of how the developer can profit. Not my puzzle to solve. I have no obligation to them. Besides, the non-subscription model still works for many software companies.

 

[usagora]

Umm... Just so you know, the thought you're having is actually stating the obvious. That is what we have been discussing over the last 10 pages: The subscription model, how it works for some people, how it doesn't for others, and what alternatives there may be from this decision.

Like I said for myself: If the standalone license for 1Password 7 is still available by the time the new Macs are launched, I'll get a new MBP, buy 1Password 7, and I'll be good for as long as the program works, just like how I am with 1Password 6.8.9.

What people are up in arms about is when the subscription model costs more than the license for the program that they already have. Once again, why pay more money over the period of a year for something you already have at a fixed cost, that you can keep using forever?

It's a math and logic question here, in which there isn't much of a response or decent answer that the subscription model can provide.

BL.

I have no idea how you read my post the way you did based on this response. My "thought" isn't that I'm just now realizing that businesses exist to make money; my thought is that many (not ALL, but MANY, as I clearly stated to begin with) say things like, "They're discontinuing standalone licenses because they're greedy," as if maximizing profits as a business is something immoral. So if this were so "obvious" to them, then they wouldn't say silly things like that. Even in your response here, you go on to say, "It's a math and logic question here, in which there isn't much of a response or decent answer that the subscription model can provide." The answer is obvious: they make more money by going to subscriptions only. That's nothing to get "up in arms" about; it's just business.

 

[usagora]

Interesting how there's the implication that consumers should think of how the developer can profit. Not my puzzle to solve. I have no obligation to them. Besides, the non-subscription model still works for many software companies.

No one's saying it's your puzzle to solve. They're going to do what they're going to do, and you're going to do what you're going to do. They're not asking you to help them make a decision. He's just pointing out the rationale behind why many software companies are migrating to subscription-only models, since many don't seem to understand.

 

[msackey]

No one's saying it's your puzzle to solve. They're going to do what they're going to do, and you're going to do what you're going to do. They're not asking you to help them make a decision. He's just pointing out the rationale behind why many software companies are migrating to subscription-only models, since many don't seem to understand.

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[thespyder]

Like I said for myself: If the standalone license for 1Password 7 is still available by the time the new Macs are launched, I'll get a new MBP, buy 1Password 7, and I'll be good for as long as the program works, just like how I am with 1Password 6.8.9.

If the standalone option still works I suggest jumping on it before they take it down. v7 works beautifully on my M1 air so it should be good to go for any coming Macs in the near future.

 

[phytonix]

Like version 8 for Windows and Linux, this uses a React web frontend + a native Rust backend bundled within an Electron app: https://dteare.medium.com/behind-the-scenes-of-1password-for-linux-d59b19143a23
It will be interesting to see how a multiplatform "Electron done right" implementation will stack up against their current native app (idling with 80 MB RAM usage here).

You forgot 1Password Helper (GPU), 1Password Helper (Renderer). These take up another 170M RAM for me.

 

[macintoshmac]

After a system restart (consequent to software update to beta 5, Monterey) I now realise how slow 1Password 8 is on the Mac. I will give the whole system time to settle and then see if this is constant, but prima facie I am not a fan on non-native apps, and I did see how there is nearly double RAM usage as against the previous version. This is not good at all. They are introducing problems.

Their software works just fine as is in version 7, it did not require a move to Electron and double the RAM usage.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Their software works just fine as is in version 7, it did not require a move to Electron and double the RAM usage.

AgileBits....
'Mo Money, 'Mo Problems

 

[Puonti]

Like I said for myself: If the standalone license for 1Password 7 is still available by the time the new Macs are launched, I'll get a new MBP, buy 1Password 7, and I'll be good for as long as the program works

No need to wait, 1Password v7 supports Apple Silicon natively:

1Password for Mac Release Notes

app-updates.agilebits.com

And as Ben said earlier, 1Password 8 will be a separate entry in the macOS App Store:

1Password 8 will be released as a new/separate offering. 1Password 7 will not automatically update to it.

What hasn't been stated outright is whether 1Password v7 will remain available on the App Store for new customers when v8 is released. Personally I highly doubt it. Existing customers should of course continue to be able to install it from the "past purchases" page while their version of macOS remains compatible with it.

With this in mind for your plan as stated up top the best move forward would be to install v7 now, launch it and see if the license option appears (I believe it's a small text link that appears early in the first launch experience). If it does, purchase the license and you're set for your near-future M1 Mac (for as long as the program works, as you said).

You're welcome!

 

[turbineseaplane]

What hasn't been stated outright is whether 1Password v7 will remain available on the App Store for new customers when v8 is released. Personally I highly doubt it.

I give that a very very low chance

This is the company that has basically used dark web patterns to hide the standalone purchase option for quite a while

 

[macintoshmac]

Take a look at Strongbox. It rivals 1Password and there is no subscription.

Apple ecosystem only, right? What will I do about my Android device?

 

[Apple_Robert]

Apple ecosystem only, right? What will I do about my Android device?

Correct. Strongbox is Apple only. If you need cross-platform, take a look at Bitwarden.

 

[bradl]

If the standalone option still works I suggest jumping on it before they take it down. v7 works beautifully on my M1 air so it should be good to go for any coming Macs in the near future.

I definitely will. I'm stuck right now, because with my 2011 MBA, I'm stuck on Sierra, because High Sierra was horribly unstable on my MBA. So I'm playing the waiting game and hoping that the new Macs come out before 1Password 8 does.

BL.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I definitely will. I'm stuck right now, because with my 2011 MBA, I'm stuck on Sierra, because High Sierra was horribly unstable on my MBA. So I'm playing the waiting game and hoping that the new Macs come out before 1Password 8 does.

BL.

Why not just buy iP7 now while you can?
You'll need eventually anyhow

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Supposedly, macOS Monterey has an option to import and export passwords from and to other password managers (source). It might be worth waiting for that.

Sounds great. I will definitely try this out

 

[bradl]

Why not just buy iP7 now while you can?
You'll need eventually anyhow

I won't have anything to install it on, which is the problem. 1Password 7 requires High Sierra as the minimum OS.

BL.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I won't have anything to install it on, which is the problem. 1Password 7 requires High Sierra as the minimum OS.

BL.

But -- you'll own it.
If you wait to even buy it, you may lose the chance!

 

[johannnn]

I don’t mind subscriptions. Developers need a steady state of revenue. I ain’t gonna use some software that turns into abandonware because the developer couldn’t pay his rent.

I do however mind electron apps. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2021/08/11/1password-8-for-mac-early-access/ said it best:
“A two-person team can write a native AppKit app, but a team of 473 starting with a mature AppKit codebase has other priorities.”