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1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access
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I used to love 1Password, but it's just been getting worse. The UI is becoming unwieldy (look at the size of the pop-up windows and number of buttons compared to a couple of years ago). It's also sometimes unreliable with Safari.
It's currently taking up 2.4GB on my SSD with backups. I can't configure this, even though I have my own (cloud) backup strategy. Quite user hostile really.
I've changed my subscription to monthly rather than annual, since I'm looking elsewhere. Ideally, I'm hoping that iCloud Keychain in Monterey will be good enough for me.
It's currently taking up 2.4GB on my SSD with backups. I can't configure this, even though I have my own (cloud) backup strategy. Quite user hostile really.
I've changed my subscription to monthly rather than annual, since I'm looking elsewhere. Ideally, I'm hoping that iCloud Keychain in Monterey will be good enough for me.
@bwoodruff I hope you get some bonus pay for being fed to the wolves in here re: changes
I know now that it supports Apple Silicon natively; my problem is that I'm not going to pull the trigger on a M1 MBP when newer models are no more than 2 months away. Until then, I'm basically stuck on Sierra (see more below), so I'm playing the waiting game.
I just gave 1P7 a try on my MBA. It installs, but I didn't see anything as far as a license option when it starts up. In fact, I had to disable 1Password Mini in 1P6 so the installer could even run. After that, I didn't remember seeing anything (the installer may not have completely completed), so I may try this again.
Making it worse, putting 1P6 back and starting it wouldn't let 1Password mini start, and when entering the key to get into my vault, while it unlocks everything for mini, the main program hangs as it is unlocking the vault. Instead of trying to figure that out, I just went ahead and restored my MBA from my latest TM backup. I may do that again, as it only cost me an hour.
BL.
you really think you buy an app for $35 and it’s going to last for 20-30 years. Yeah, ok.
I have an Apple IIe that powers on, gets me a word processor, and still plays a mean game of Karateka and Spy Hunter. 2 years from now it will be 40 years old.
So... yeah.
BL.
Damn! That is awesome..
I put in a ton of keystrokes on IIe's
Yours all yellowed up at this point?
or have you done the cleaning/whitening I see folks doing to old keyboards and stuff that are of similar materials?
I love MacRumors. We don't always agree 🙈, but we share a lot of the same passions. I don't need extra pay to spend time here. I appreciate the sentiment though! One can hope. 😄
Not totally yellowed up, but yellow. That beige/tan color makes it show its age, but it's definitely retro! I have the green/black/white monitor with it as well, plus the joystick, so I could do everything from word processing to Math Blasters to Spy Hunter.. the only thing I don't have for it is the original run of Oregon Trail.
But it's fun pulling that bad boy out, setting it up, and still showing that 30something years later that it still Just Works[tm].
BL.
The license servers being unvailable was something I wasn't aware of. Was there an official blog or forum post about it somewhere? I'm a subscriber so I haven't kept tabs on what's going on with standalone licenses.
Sorry for the out of date advice, looks like that link is not available in the newer builds and the licenses are no longer sold (per Wookbert, above).
There is doing the higher up's bidding and then there is condescending to users and arguing with them about their feedback and tastes. I imagine it's been a hard day for 1Password employees, but the lack of empathy is astounding.
@bwoodruff
My issue with 1Password 8, and I cannot fathom how is it that hundreds of other employees people did not encounter it, is the extra steps I now need to use this software (on macOS).
With 1Password 7
- Software starts up in the background, and I need to enter my password once and quit the app. Then on, it sits in the menu bar.
- On any browser, lock status gets synced, and the extension is usable from the get-go.
- Some websites require me to access the 1Password app in the menu bar for reasons, and that is accessible in one click.
- The whole software is fast, fluid, works well, with zero issues with regards to performance and uses minimal memory footprint.
I have loved every moment spent using this software. It does its job, it is always fast, it is reliable, never once crashed on me on release versions of macOS. I have been paying for this app happily, because I held trust in the company's credentials when it comes to security and the apps work beautifully. Minimal steps are required and there are no surprises anywhere.
With 1Password 8
- Software starts in the background, I enter my password. Quit the app like I do with 1Password 7? No, because surprise, the app gets completely quit. NOT HAPPY.
- What do I do? I have to close the app using the traffic lights. Then, I have to remove the icon from the dock, it does not get removed automatically, regardless of the option. EXTRA STEPS, UNWARRANTED STEPS, NOT HAPPY.
- For the websites or for any other purpose when I want to access 1Password app in the menu bar, I now have two options, one of which makes no sense - the search. Why do I not have direct access to the data like 1Password 7? EXTRA STEPS EVERY TIME, NOT HAPPY.
- I can understand that speed issues might be as the software is in beta but I do not feel that is how this works. You do not take a framework that works fluidly and murder it by using a framework that needs work to optimise and work fluidly. Sure, the software now looks better on the surface, but I am sad to say that the underpinnings have been weakened.
Usability is greatly compromised, at least for me and how I use the software. I do not know for others. I do not quite care for Electron, I care for usability and fluidity. Both are currently compromised in the app (for me) as described.
Consequence
This makes 1Password 8 unviable for me. Usability has been compromised in a way that I cannot stand using 1Password 8 because of the number of steps I now need to go through before my data is there before me, it is not even regressed because the previous version 1Password 7 works a whole lot better.
I still love 1Password 7, but since I am on a subscription, I do not know if I would want to continue subscribing for a stagnant version considering I will not be able to upgrade to the 8 in its current form. I sincerely hope better sense prevails and the decision-makers improve the software over what it is today, not take features and functionality away from it, as is the case right now (for my use case).
My issue with 1Password 8, and I cannot fathom how is it that hundreds of other employees people did not encounter it, is the extra steps I now need to use this software (on macOS).
With 1Password 7
- Software starts up in the background, and I need to enter my password once and quit the app. Then on, it sits in the menu bar.
- On any browser, lock status gets synced, and the extension is usable from the get-go.
- Some websites require me to access the 1Password app in the menu bar for reasons, and that is accessible in one click.
- The whole software is fast, fluid, works well, with zero issues with regards to performance and uses minimal memory footprint.
I have loved every moment spent using this software. It does its job, it is always fast, it is reliable, never once crashed on me on release versions of macOS. I have been paying for this app happily, because I held trust in the company's credentials when it comes to security and the apps work beautifully. Minimal steps are required and there are no surprises anywhere.
With 1Password 8
- Software starts in the background, I enter my password. Quit the app like I do with 1Password 7? No, because surprise, the app gets completely quit. NOT HAPPY.
- What do I do? I have to close the app using the traffic lights. Then, I have to remove the icon from the dock, it does not get removed automatically, regardless of the option. EXTRA STEPS, UNWARRANTED STEPS, NOT HAPPY.
- For the websites or for any other purpose when I want to access 1Password app in the menu bar, I now have two options, one of which makes no sense - the search. Why do I not have direct access to the data like 1Password 7? EXTRA STEPS EVERY TIME, NOT HAPPY.
- I can understand that speed issues might be as the software is in beta but I do not feel that is how this works. You do not take a framework that works fluidly and murder it by using a framework that needs work to optimise and work fluidly. Sure, the software now looks better on the surface, but I am sad to say that the underpinnings have been weakened.
Usability is greatly compromised, at least for me and how I use the software. I do not know for others. I do not quite care for Electron, I care for usability and fluidity. Both are currently compromised in the app (for me) as described.
Consequence
This makes 1Password 8 unviable for me. Usability has been compromised in a way that I cannot stand using 1Password 8 because of the number of steps I now need to go through before my data is there before me, it is not even regressed because the previous version 1Password 7 works a whole lot better.
I still love 1Password 7, but since I am on a subscription, I do not know if I would want to continue subscribing for a stagnant version considering I will not be able to upgrade to the 8 in its current form. I sincerely hope better sense prevails and the decision-makers improve the software over what it is today, not take features and functionality away from it, as is the case right now (for my use case).
I'm literally playing around with Bitwarden as I type this. Migration from 1P is super easy. I'll keep mucking around with it and decide whether to ditch 1P (highly likely).
I am trying both Bitwarden and Enpass. Bitwarden is a bummer due to one thing only - the iOS app is crashing - after you start it once and close it. It just will not start up again, it will crash (slower than the HSBC app) and will work again only after the phone is restarted.
Enpass comes with its own issues, such as no autofill right now. You can do that manually - that's all. Otherwise, it is solid for what I need it for. Really well done, and the price is a no-brainer.
I already bought a year's worth of Enpass for a big fat USD 1. So, I can have it alongside Bitwarden when they fix the app on iOS 15. Both are great, Bitwarden is as nice as Enpass on iOS, but on macOS Bitwarden is an Electron app again.
Advantage with Enpass is that I can store the vault in iCloud (tagging @BigMcGuire for iCloud storage) and sync it across my devices, Android devices included, and it is priced laughably low compared to others. Enpass is building autofill capabilities as of June.
Advantage Bitwarden (when compared to Enpass) is that this supports autofill right now.
Both Enpass and Bitwarden can be like-to-like replacements for 1Password as such, and I do think that over the course of next few days I will likely have moved to either Bitwarden or Enpass. I would pick Bitwarden today for autofill. When Enpass builds autofill, that will be cheaper to use.
Importing from 1Password files is great with Enpass, it imports everything neatly and you would not know if this is 1Password data or something you entered in Enpass yourself. It even maintains the timestamps from 1Password.
As of today, I think I can use Enpass as a backup storage vault for my passwords that syncs my passwords across devices (for Android) and since my main devices are Apple, I can certainly use iCloud Passwords. This is, again, until either Enpass builds autofill support or Bitwarden fixes its iOS app, but as such, this can be a proper and permanent solution, too, given that I am mainly on Apple devices.
About iCloud Passwords: The only issues here are that you never know if iCloud Keychain will be deleted if you remove keychain from all devices, and the fact that you cannot store 2 passwords for the same website URL. That is a bummer. So, iCloud Passwords has some ground to cover before it can become a more tenable replacement for the bigwigs.
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I am using iCloud Keychain and I can certainly store multiple passwords/usernames for the same url. No issues there.
I am basing this on the fact that iCloud Passwords did not import two of my logins from the CSV file stating that URLs are the same.
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I don’t think that will be necessary. You can export your vault from within 1P and then import that into another password manager. I just tried it on Bitwarden.
Setting aside the economics, the problem I have with subscriptions verses perpetual licenses is that the incentive (or reward) dynamic changes. I’d rather have a developer create a new version on speculation that users will find value in it and be willing to pay for the upgrade, rather than affording the developer a constant revenue stream with the only incentive to create updates is customer retention. With the subscription model the revenue coming in has to be balanced by how much profit they are willing to sacrifice on development costs. Need more profit, cut back on development.
FWIW: eWallet. Used it for years, jumped to 1P circa v3 cuz it was the new hotness. Currently on version 6.8.9. Never uninstalled eWallet and find I prefer it as my primary password manager. Not very fancy, but easy to use, cross platform, and regularly updated- and no subscription cost.
FWIW: eWallet. Used it for years, jumped to 1P circa v3 cuz it was the new hotness. Currently on version 6.8.9. Never uninstalled eWallet and find I prefer it as my primary password manager. Not very fancy, but easy to use, cross platform, and regularly updated- and no subscription cost.
Might do, who knows? But you can export your vault and migrate away.
That ship has sailed. Any decisions you make moving forward should take into account that there will not be a native app.
That would be Adobe who came up with dick move of dropping stand-alone licence and forcing people to subscribe. No wonder the hackers were too happy to find a way to permanently "activate" the Adobe apps for free.
Very recently I was searching for 1Password 7 license info because I was curious if the price had changed and was really confused why I couldn't find anything. That's when I found the thread about 1Password 8 and licenses going away.
Did you turn on 2FA on the web vault after you were already logged in on iOS? That did cause a crash for me. I've been using it every day since on iOS and iPadOS with no crashes. Maybe delete and re-install?
This. Was that supposed to be a "gotcha"? If any password manager I'm using made changes I didn't like I'd export my data (or use one of my backups) and switch to another just like I did this time.