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1Password Getting More Expensive Starting in March

LordArchie said:
Maybe look at Uplock? You could store them all there and keep a subset in Apple Wallet? They don’t have tags yet (🤞) but you could create a folder and put them there
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They don't even a browser extension (beyond Safari) I don't think, at least from what I can tell.

That has to come along a LOT further for me to be into it.
 
Alan-in-CO said:
I remember using v1.x of 1pwd, and how they were so adamant about local storage being the safest way to go. I've purchased each new version, but I was not happy with the cloud and subscription requirements. I'm still on v7, with our shared vault on my NAS, so everything is local. I'll probably migrate to Apple Passwords when v7 no longer works, although I'd like to see them require more security (different password or passcode?) to open both the Passwords and Wallet apps.
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I agree on a different password. However, requiring FaceID to open the Passwords app is also good security for the time being.
 
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gilby101 said:
Since everybody (with the possible exception of yourself) does use browser extensions can you expand on why we should not use any browser extension - preferably with references.
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I created a thoughtful reply to your post but, I decided to delete it because of your smug, condescending reply to me which wasn’t called for. I have never been rude to you and I don’t appreciate your tone to me. I am done replying to you.
 
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Apple_Robert said:
For those concerned about security with a password manager, you really should not be using any browser extension(s) with your password app.
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I'm not sure that blanket statement applies. Didn't 1Password and Bitwarden both come out with statements on how they handle it and thus are not vulnerable?
 
How’s Proton Pass looking these days? I’ve just started dabbling with it but I’m not ready to pay into it yet. If I do, it’d be for the lifetime pass. Right now, I use 1Password 7 for logins; banking/cc details; storing software license keys; one-time passcode fill-ins; generating strong passwords with flexibility on the length, type, etc; notes; and wireless router details. Much of this overlaps Apple’s Passwords but I value having some redundancy. Sooner or later, 1P7 is going to start failing as macOS and iOS evolve, so I want to look at moving on. Obviously I’d want it to automatically save and fill in login credentials for websites as easily as I do now with 1P7.
 
Lifeisabeach said:
How’s Proton Pass looking these days? I’ve just started dabbling with it but I’m not ready to pay into it yet. If I do, it’d be for the lifetime pass. Right now, I use 1Password 7 for logins; banking/cc details; storing software license keys; one-time passcode fill-ins; generating strong passwords with flexibility on the length, type, etc; notes; and wireless router details. Much of this overlaps Apple’s Passwords but I value having some redundancy. Sooner or later, 1P7 is going to start failing as macOS and iOS evolve, so I want to look at moving on. Obviously I’d want it to automatically save and fill in login credentials for websites as easily as I do now with 1P7.
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Short list


Proton Pass Limitations





Essential Features (Deal Breakers):
  • Credit Card Autofill (currently beta on Chrome only. Still beta?)
  • Folders and/or Tags
  • Favorites (or Multi-Folder Support to Address This)
  • Expanded Template Types, Organized by Category (Similar to 1Password)
  • Browser Biometric login
  • Markdown or HTML Support in Notes
  • Travel Vault
  • Password Version History
  • Secure Sharing with Fine-Tuned Controls
  • Cross Vault Search
  • Integrated 2FA Autofill on iOS
  • Item Linking
  • Sorting by updated date
  • Archive feature (Bitwarden may finally have this soon)

Nice-to-Have Features:
  • Expiration Dates and Reminders (e.g., “Passport Expires in December” with Custom Alerts)
  • Enhanced URL Matching Rules
  • Improved Favicon/Custom Icon Handling
  • Large Display Mode (Similar to 1Password)
  • Passkey Monitoring (Also Limited in Bitwarden)
  • Location-Based Entries
  • WiFi QR code sharing
 
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Lifeisabeach said:
Thanks, but what I'm really looking for is what others have experienced in using the two platforms. Comparable feature checklists don't equate to comparable usage experiences.
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Hows this?

Day to day, the gaps add up fast. Checking out online means copy-pasting card numbers because autofill is still stuck in beta, which feels like carrying a Swiss Army knife where the blade doesn't open. Finding anything takes longer than it should because there are no folders, tags, or favorites, so everything piles into vaults like a junk drawer with a lock on it.

I stopped adding personal notes to entries because plain text with no markdown turns anything longer than two sentences into a wall I immediately regret writing.

On iOS, logging into anything with 2FA is its own little obstacle course: leave the browser, open the authenticator, memorize the code, switch back, and pray it hasn't expired while you were doing all that. Searching across vaults means searching each one separately, which is the kind of thing that makes you question your life choices.

The autofill misses enough sites that I've started mentally betting against it before I even try.

Then there are the things that don't hurt until they really hurt. When I updated a password and the site rejected it, there was no version history to fall back on. Just gone, like it never existed.

Sharing a login with someone is binary: full access or nothing, which is a great policy if you enjoy trust issues.

I have no idea a credit card or passport is expiring until something gets declined or I'm standing at a border looking confused.

None of these are exotic feature requests. They're the stuff I used every day in other apps without a second thought. In Proton Pass, they're all I think about.
 
LordArchie said:
Hows this?

Day to day, the gaps add up fast. Checking out online means copy-pasting card numbers because autofill is still stuck in beta, which feels like carrying a Swiss Army knife where the blade doesn't open. Finding anything takes longer than it should because there are no folders, tags, or favorites, so everything piles into vaults like a junk drawer with a lock on it.

I stopped adding personal notes to entries because plain text with no markdown turns anything longer than two sentences into a wall I immediately regret writing.

On iOS, logging into anything with 2FA is its own little obstacle course: leave the browser, open the authenticator, memorize the code, switch back, and pray it hasn't expired while you were doing all that. Searching across vaults means searching each one separately, which is the kind of thing that makes you question your life choices.

The autofill misses enough sites that I've started mentally betting against it before I even try.

Then there are the things that don't hurt until they really hurt. When I updated a password and the site rejected it, there was no version history to fall back on. Just gone, like it never existed.

Sharing a login with someone is binary: full access or nothing, which is a great policy if you enjoy trust issues.

I have no idea a credit card or passport is expiring until something gets declined or I'm standing at a border looking confused.

None of these are exotic feature requests. They're the stuff I used every day in other apps without a second thought. In Proton Pass, they're all I think about.
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Hmmm. I did a little experimenting logging into one site with 2FA and I do get the option to plug in my TOTP code like I would with Passwords or 1P7 without leaving the browser (this is on iOS 26). I'm not on a paid plan so I can't actually verify it would have worked since that's behind a paywall, but it looks like it should work. I also practiced with creating a login for a website and I do get a history here. Am I missing something? Maybe PP has evolved more since your experiences? Most of the rest... yah, sounds aggravating. I think I'm just going to have to try using it for a bit to see how well it fits my needs in its current state. Anyway, thanks for the input. It gives me a couple things to consider.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Ugh ...

I haven't made a choice, as my 1P renewal just processed in Jan so I don't have to think about it for a while.

I'm hopeful the Apple solution continues to improve and that's where I'll likely end up in 2027.
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Mine renewed in December as well, but I will probably just end up sticking with 1password purely out of inertia.

My observation is that iCloud Keychain really only works for users who are all-in on the apple ecosystem, and using safari for everything. For all the drama, 1password gets the job done, and at this point in my life, I just want things to work more than I want them to be cheap.
 
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My 1P subscription is good for a few more months so I've already cancelled my sub and I'll be working on getting my stuff elsewhere.

I'm currently testing Apple Passwords, but it's really undercooked and years behind everyone else.

And that's not even the worst thing about it: it's that it'll only get new features once a year (that may not be the ones we need the most, when new OSes drop) and bug fixes every quarter or so (that may not close the most critical vulnerabilities, when point updates are released)
 
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saldin said:
My 1P subscription is good for a few more months so I've already cancelled my sub and I'll be working on getting my stuff elsewhere.

I'm currently testing Apple Passwords, but it's really undercooked and years behind everyone else.

And that's not even the worst thing about it: it's that it'll only get new features once a year (that may not be the ones we need the most, when new OSes drop) and bug fixes every quarter or so (that may not close the most critical vulnerabilities, when point updates are released)
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You could use Apple Passwords + Uplock. Uplock will fill credit cards, so you take Apple Wallet out of the picture (2 baskets, instead of 3)

It's coming along pretty well. I did a test run of exporting to Uplock from 1PW. Everything comes over as it should except attachments. Thats wasn't terrible. The names were jibberish, so I had claude cowork scan the folder and rename everything, then I added them back into Uplock.

I just wanted to try it, I'm still firmly in the 1PW camp, I bought Uplock a year ago on a whim.

May be worth a shot to buy 1 month of Uplock to give it a spin
 
I’m willing to pay for the subscription. Some costs are simply necessary for convenience, such as tax filing software and iCloud. However, the bugs need to be fixed. The Safari extension is terrible; it breaks with every update.
 
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I still use the original version 7 I paid $9.99 (sale price) for in December, 2013. But no clue how much longer they'll continue to support it. So, I've been slowly migrating my passwords to Apple Passwords. But will keep using 1Password 7 until it no longer works.
 
Ledsteplin said:
I still use the original version 7 I paid $9.99 (sale price) for in December, 2013. But no clue how much longer they'll continue to support it. So, I've been slowly migrating my passwords to Apple Passwords. But will keep using 1Password 7 until it no longer works.
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How long they continue to support it? They haven't since July of 2023, so it's hasn't received any updates, including security ones for almost 3 years.
 
Mr. Heckles said:
How long they continue to support it? They haven't since July of 2023, so it's hasn't received any updates, including security ones for almost 3 years.
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They aren't supporting it, yet it continues to work. And security updates? For an app whose database resides on our devices and, optionally, syncs over iCloud or DropBox? For my 1P7 data to be compromised, someone would have to first crack into my iCloud storage or my own Mac/iPhone, then work at cracking the actual 1P data files. If someone wants at my password files that badly, they'd have to have some mad skills and I'd have to be a lot more important than I actually am.
 
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Lifeisabeach said:
They aren't supporting it, yet it continues to work. And security updates? For an app whose database resides on our devices and, optionally, syncs over iCloud or DropBox? For my 1P7 data to be compromised, someone would have to first crack into my iCloud storage or my own Mac/iPhone, then work at cracking the actual 1P data files. If someone wants at my password files that badly, they'd have to have some mad skills and I'd have to be a lot more important than I actually am.
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All you need is one bad extension, bad email, or something shady on a website. If that happens, an attacker can get access to your vault that way.
Even Troy Hunt, a cyber security expert, fell for a phishing attack.
 
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