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iPod touch 2.0 firmware in June - get out your wallets

mavis said:
No, it's Apple greed we seem to be dealing with. If this was really a SOX issue, then how is it that Microsoft was able to update the Zune's firmware for free to allow all kinds of new features? They didn't have to charge existing customers for the new features, despite their every move being scrutinized by the DOJ - it wasn't an issue.

Apple doesn't have to charge us, they choose to. It's called fleecing the sheep ... :mad:
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My guess is that Microsoft accounts for the Zune in the same way that Apple accounts for the AppleTV, allowing both companies to send down free updates.

My second guess is that Apple, when they setup how they were going to account for the iPod touch, never planned on this SDK thing happening. It wasn't until many months of iPhone owners complaining that web apps weren't enough before Apple reversed its decision about native applications. The iPod touch was already released by then. So now Apple's stuck in a model that it can't get out of.

Make sense?

mrpalmer420 said:
Ok so know here is something i do not understand then. If the first $20.00 was to turn them into PDA's then why this new fee. I was always able to buy software from other developers for Palm products and other such PDA's. So if the Jan Update turned it into a PDA then i do not see how the ability to add 3rd party apps is a "new feature"
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So what you're saying is that your iPod touch has the ability to add 3rd party applications. Well, if that's true, knock yourself out loading 3rd party applications onto it.

I think what you're going to find is that your touch will need to be updated with a new application in order to load 3rd party apps. You can pay for it and enjoy it, or not.
 
gkarris said:
Sold As: iPod Touch users can buy Music, TV Shows, Movies, and Videos.

NEW FEATURE: iPod Touch users can now buy Games, and Third Party Apps.



Sell your Touch, then buy one with more memory and the new software... ;)
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I'm not trying to start an orgument but that is not what your post that i quoted said.

Agin you said Ipod touch users had to pay for the update that turned them into PDA's (the iphone apps)

So again if it has been updated to be a PDA then why the new fee when PDA's can have 3rd party apps.

Again i am not a complainer i just want to understand. i will be buying that apps and many more apple things in the future.
 
aristobrat said:
My guess is that Microsoft accounts for the Zune in the same way that Apple accounts for the AppleTV, allowing both companies to send down free updates.

My second guess is that Apple, when they setup how they were going to account for the iPod touch, never planned on this SDK thing happening. It wasn't until many months of iPhone owners complaining that web apps weren't enough before Apple reversed its decision about native applications. The iPod touch was already released by then. So now Apple's stuck in a model that it can't get out of.

Make sense?


So what you're saying is that your iPod touch has the ability to add 3rd party applications. Well, if that's true, knock yourself out loading 3rd party applications onto it.

I think what you're going to find is that your touch will need to be updated with a new application in order to load 3rd party apps. You can pay for it and enjoy it, or not.
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No i am being misunderstood i was quoting someone elses post in saying that we had to pay for january because that turned it into PDA's.

That being said i want to thank you for the first part of your post. I now understand why they need to chargefor it and it makes sense to me.

The iPod was originally just meant to be an iPod and this is how they accounted for it. Now they are changing it and allowing us to upgrade just as the iphone. (imagine the bitching that would happen if they wouldn't) but since this isn't what was in the origginal accounting plans of this product they need to charge.

Thank you so much I get it.
 
mrpalmer420 said:
No i am being misunderstood i was quoting someone elses post in saying that we had to pay for january because that turned it into PDA's.

That being said i want to thank you for the first part of your post. I now understand why they need to chargefor it and it makes sense to me.

The iPod was originally just meant to be an iPod and this is how they accounted for it. Now they are changing it and allowing us to upgrade just as the iphone. (imagine the bitching that would happen if they wouldn't) but since this isn't what was in the origginal accounting plans of this product they need to charge.

Thank you so much I get it.
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It's not just "an iPod" anymore (remember when you couldn't even add a contact or add an appointment?).

Funny, the best "PDA" out there is an iPod... :D
 
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If the fee is decent I may buy the update.
 
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l Krafty l said:
I hope at least AIM gets on Installer. Thats one of the only programs that caught my eye.
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Hate to dash your hopes to the ground, but there will be no Installer.app once the SDK apps hit. Everything will be done through iTunes. But hopefully we'll see some more polished apps now that people have access to the tools needed to create them. :)
 
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anti-microsoft said:
Don't complain! You'll get great free apps in the summer! Sooo worth $20...

Anyway the iPhone owners have to put up with at&t's crap service and $40(+)/month!:eek:
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I don't know why you think this upgrade will only cost $20 ... ? I mean, the Apple sheep are comparing this update to OS X Tiger vs Leopard, and that upgrade cost well over $100. Apple fleeced us (well, not me ;)) in January - $20 for five apps - do you really think this 2.0 firmware, with the ability to download (possibly for free) 100's of apps, is worth the same as the five apps in the January app pack??

I think they're going to demand a lot more than $20 this time around. $20 = five already-developed apps, by Apple's math. This new firmware is going to cost a lot more than that, because it does more and enables more - it's worth more! ;)
 
My question now becomes, do i HAVE to upgrade and pay? or can i just buy the only V1 iPod Touchs and Jailbreak it, and then never really worry about paying for all this stuff.

If you think about how many people have a ipod JB'd now, and love it, it seems likely that thats all most people need, so just keep doing that.

Also, it was JB'd in like a month? i'm sure someone will find a way of getting free apps without the update, or even getting the pay apps for free, much like how torrents worked against CD;s and DVD's..
Someone always finds a way when it comes to technology. So i wouldnt complain about it when they decide to charge you for someone small. I like apple, and their products and dont mind keeping them in business, in the long it makes me happier.

If you dont like it, dont pay for it.
 
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Yeah, I'm sure it will be hacked pretty quickly - and that's exactly what I'll be waiting for. In fact, I would much rather PayPal $20 (or however much Apple wants to fleece us for this time) to the DevTeam people than give it to Apple. It's the principle of the thing.
 
If I want to get an ipod touch, and I wait until the end of June to buy it, will it have the app store on it? And when June comes it will only be about 3 months from apple releasing new ipods? What should I do?
 
I'm pissed at this new fee, the argument in favor is crap. I've upgrade so many products in the past without having to pay. That said, if it was available tonite I would be willing to pay. All that talk about program comming in febuary was a smoke screen. June is so so far away.
 
eplchamps0304 said:
I'm pissed at this new fee, the argument in favor is crap. I've upgrade so many products in the past without having to pay. That said, if it was available tonite I would be willing to pay. All that talk about program comming in febuary was a smoke screen. June is so so far away.
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Well, that's assuming they don't delay it again. Remember, SJ said in January that we'd have the SDK in February. Not only did they miss the date, but even with the delay all we got was a beta version! Oh yeah, and noone will be able to actually install any apps created using the beta SDK until June, when the 2.0 firmware is released!

I say June if we're lucky, the stars are in alignment, etc. In other words, I wouldn't count on it.
 
eplchamps0304 said:
I'm pissed at this new fee, the argument in favor is crap. I've upgrade so many products in the past without having to pay. That said, if it was available tonite I would be willing to pay. All that talk about program comming in febuary was a smoke screen. June is so so far away.
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What HARDWARE devices have you upgraded with new features?

As far as having to pay for those upgrades, be glad they are available! How many of us have 3G/4G/5G iPods that can not be upgraded to the latest features at any cost?

People with 5G iPods would probably be willing to pay for the ability to rent movies, etc like the latest iPods can.

Apple has made it pretty clear now that HARDWARE devices they they do not expense over time with subscription revenue, are going to have to pay for these upgrades.
 
Yep, was definitely expecting this from Apple. Nothing less.
It's because iPhone users are paying a bill every month - and we iPod Touch users are getting off Scott-free.... in a sense... But then again, I look at it this way. We don't have cellular access on our damn iPod Touch's...
 
this was garenteed to happen once people actually payed for the jan update. Greed, thats all it is. I refused to pay for the jan update and unless the SDK is a godsend i will not pay for that either. Jailbreak for me.
 
aross99 said:
What HARDWARE devices have you upgraded with new features?

As far as having to pay for those upgrades, be glad they are available! How many of us have 3G/4G/5G iPods that can not be upgraded to the latest features at any cost?

People with 5G iPods would probably be willing to pay for the ability to rent movies, etc like the latest iPods can.

Apple has made it pretty clear now that HARDWARE devices they they do not expense over time with subscription revenue, are going to have to pay for these upgrades.
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Zune. PSP. Those are two great examples from two great competitors.
 
I was hoping to get an iPod Touch soon. Hmmm...all this does is possibly delay that purchase until June. Perhaps we'll see an update?
 
Jack Flash said:
Zune. PSP. Those are two great examples from two great competitors.
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The PSP is a great example. It was advertised as a handheld video game player and UMD player with internet access. I don't believe the ability to control the location free player was included in the original ones. Subsequant updates have given people that ability. This is a new feature set. Sony did not charge me for any sort of update.
 
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