iPod touch 2.0 firmware in June - get out your wallets

[BrownManUPS]

Okay well the alternative is to invest in an iPhone where you don't have to pay for that update but you already are "contributing to a stream of revenue" via paying for a service plan (assuming you don't "trick the iPhone")

 

[dukebound85]

that is an alternative which i would have done. but when im paying quite a bit monthly for phone service as it is and no "easy" way to get out of a contract without penalty, there's not that much incentive to get an iphone over the ipt


regardless while i can undertsnad their point to a degree doesnt mean i have to like or even agree with it

 

[BrownManUPS]

And so you see why, in the long run, it is fair for Apple to charge you a small amount for the things people don't pay anything for because they pay out the ass for a service plan (which mostly the money goes to AT&T)

 

[Jack Flash]

And so you see why, in the long run, it is fair for Apple to charge you a small amount for the things people don't pay anything for because they pay out the ass for a service plan (which mostly the money goes to AT&T)

No, we should not have to pay for the AppStore. I pay out the ass for my Verizon phone plan. I paid $300 for my iPod Touch. I paid $20 for the January Update and quite frankly I'm tired of being nickel and dimed by Apple.

 

[dukebound85]

but my point is if people have to pay for the apps (especially the good ones) then that gives apple thier share which may be larger than whatever $20 they would get just for the ability


i know i would have no issue buying apps if they are good but to pay for the ability to buy apps to me is just stupid and hence i probably wont be doing that

 

[aethelbert]

but my point is if people have to pay for the apps (especially the good ones) then that gives apple thier share which may be larger than whatever $20 they would get just for the ability


i know i would have no issue buying apps if they are good but to pay for the ability to buy apps to me is just stupid and hence i probably wont be doing that

You're paying for more than the ability to buy apps. Enterprise features plus whatever comes out of WWDC, which I see as an event that will reveal many new iPhone software features for 2.0.

 

[Jack Flash]

You're paying for more than the ability to buy apps. Enterprise features plus whatever comes out of WWDC, which I see as an event that will reveal many new iPhone software features for 2.0.

These are features the applications should have contained from the beginning.

 

[kshott]

i know i would have no issue buying apps if they are good but to pay for the ability to buy apps to me is just stupid and hence i probably wont be doing that

if that does end up being the case, I def. won't be doing it. I didn't pay for the Jan. apps because I thought it was underhanded for Apple to wait until right after the holidays (after they had just sold a crapload of Touches without apps) to then turn around and release them.

If they think I'm going to pay for the privilege to then pay them even more, they're bat*****e-insane. And if they continue this practice of nickel and diming their customers, the Touch will be the last Apple player I get. The January apps shadiness was enough to make me stop using iTunes for my music purchases. I only use Amazon now.

 

[jaw04005]

If they think I'm going to pay for the privilege to then pay them even more, they're bat*****e-insane. And if they continue this practice of nickel and diming their customers, the Touch will be the last Apple player I get. The January apps shadiness was enough to make me stop using iTunes for my music purchases. I only use Amazon now.

We are all paying for software updates. iPhone users are paying a monthly subscription to AT&T that includes an Apple-specific data plan. Obviously, Apple will continue to use that revenue stream to conduct further research and development for iPhone.

Since the iPod touch is based on the same platform, it can also use whatever new features comes out of iPhone development. However, instead of paying AT&T a monthly plan (of which a portion goes back to Apple), iPod touch users are paying Apple directly for each new feature update.

By the way, iPhone users are footing the majority of this bill proportionality.

Would you rather Apple not offer iPod touch users future software upgrades? No one is getting shafted, we're all paying in different ways.

The only group that stands to receive any type of discount/benefit are those customers that purchase an iPod touch after a software update. In that case, that specific group is not paying anything extra.

However, the only reason Apple even ships the latest software updates on newer Touches is because they don't want your average joe being bombarded to upgrade his Touch for $20 right out of the box. Now, that's a turn-off.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for those of you who purchased the Touch months ago. You knew what Touch was capable of at that specific point in time. You weren't promised free software updates or anything extra. This is not a forced upgrade. If you want the features, pay. If not, don't.

 

[Jack Flash]

We are all paying for software updates. iPhone users are paying a monthly subscription to AT&T that includes an Apple-specific data plan. Obviously, Apple will continue to use that revenue stream to conduct further research and development for iPhone.

Since the iPod touch is based on the same platform, it can also use whatever new features comes out of iPhone development. However, instead of paying AT&T a monthly plan (of which a portion goes back to Apple), iPod touch users are paying Apple directly for each new feature update.

By the way, iPhone users are footing the majority of this bill proportionality.

Would you rather Apple not offer iPod touch users future software upgrades? No one is getting shafted, we're all paying in different ways.

The only group that stands to receive any type of discount/benefit are those customers that purchase an iPod touch after a software update. In that case, that specific group is not paying anything extra.

However, the only reason Apple even ships the latest software updates on newer Touches is because they don't want your average joe being bombarded to upgrade his Touch for $20 right out of the box. Now, that's a turn-off.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for those of you who purchased the Touch months ago. You knew what Touch was capable of at that specific point in time. You weren't promised free software updates or anything extra. This is not a forced upgrade. If you want the features, pay. If not, don't.

I paid $20 for the update in January. If Apple asks me to pay more than $5.00 for updates to the applications I already purchased and the AppStore I won't do it. If I pay $5.00 for the 2.0 update and Apple charges me AGAIN for another update I will never purchase an Apple iPod again.

 

[dukebound85]

I have absolutely zero sympathy for those of you who purchased the Touch months ago. You knew what Touch was capable of at that specific point in time. You weren't promised free software updates or anything extra. This is not a forced upgrade. If you want the features, pay. If not, don't.

part of the reason i got the touch was because of 3rd party apps. why advertise it as osx operating system when it just plays songs and movies like the classics do? because of the osx os on the touch i was anticipating applications...

other than that i do believe the classics have a better song navigation interface. i bought the touch on the possibility of what it could do. if i knew about this whole S-O thing i wouldnt have gotten one to be honest

didnt take a genius to think of 3rd party apps would be availiable. just didnt think apple would nickle dime us.....

 

[aross99]

I wonder if there is any chance the App store will be part of a free security update, and the rest of the 2.0 features will be at a cost.

I would think Apple would want to minimize the cost to get as many people to purchase it as possible, since it will bring them additional revenue...

 

[uburoibob]

These posts show so much about the human condition. So, what about this? What if they simply made the new iPod touches capable of running 3rd party apps and abandoned the old ones - just as they did with other iPods over the last 5 years. And the prices on the new ones always came down (when compared with their capabilities). Would that make everyone here happy? Whatta bunch of cheapskates!😡

 

[mavis]

Okay well the alternative is to invest in an iPhone where you don't have to pay for that update but you already are "contributing to a stream of revenue" via paying for a service plan (assuming you don't "trick the iPhone")

For the umpteenth time, some of us would LOVE to buy an iPhone, but since Apple hasn't gotten around to selling them in more than four countries, the overwhelming majority of earth's population CAN'T buy them.

 

[uburoibob]

if that does end up being the case, I def. won't be doing it. I didn't pay for the Jan. apps because I thought it was underhanded for Apple to wait until right after the holidays (after they had just sold a crapload of Touches without apps) to then turn around and release them.

If they think I'm going to pay for the privilege to then pay them even more, they're bat*****e-insane. And if they continue this practice of nickel and diming their customers, the Touch will be the last Apple player I get. The January apps shadiness was enough to make me stop using iTunes for my music purchases. I only use Amazon now.

I think we'll get along without you, just fine...

 

[Jack Flash]

These posts show so much about the human condition. So, what about this? What if they simply made the new iPod touches capable of running 3rd party apps and abandoned the old ones - just as they did with other iPods over the last 5 years. And the prices on the new ones always came down (when compared with their capabilities). Would that make everyone here happy? Whatta bunch of cheapskates!😡

You really don't get it, at all. We BOUGHT the Applications in January. Apple is updating the EXISTING applications. Apple wants to CHARGE US for updates to EXISTING applications and Apple wants to CHARGE US TO USE THEIR STORE.

 

[macbook129]

I think what pisses us off is that new customers won't be charged any more for their iPods than we were (in fact, they'll likely pay less than we did, due to price cuts) but they'll get the new firmware for free. In that respect, it's almost as if Apple is penalizing early adopters, when in reality it's the early adopters they should be most concerned about pleasing.

True

But then again, they have already got your money and want more of it. Companies exist to make money and dont find it feasible to offer it as "free", they need to charge something for it, although they could just charge $5 so more people buy it and enjoy their iPod Touch, or, stop bitching and buy an IPhone* (where applicable 😉) for guaranteed free updates 🙂🙂

Id assume the update is $20, same as last time.

 

[mavis]

I have absolutely zero sympathy for those of you who purchased the Touch months ago. You knew what Touch was capable of at that specific point in time.

Sorry, that argument is flawed.

Back in November, I bought an iPod that could have third-party apps installed for free, transforming it from an iPod into a full-featured PDA. Isn't that what you bought?

 

[davidy]

Perfect Solution

1. Simply don't pay any more money to Apple/iTunes/iStore.
2. Use what you have for as long as it works.
3. Quit whining to the rest of us because Apple won't give you free stuff.

If you don't like Apple's business model, don't participate!

 

[mavis]

1. Simply don't pay any more money to Apple/iTunes/iStore.
2. Use what you have for as long as it works.
3. Quit whining to the rest of us because Apple won't give you free stuff.

If you don't like Apple's business model, don't participate!

Maybe you've forgotten how Apple essentially forced people to purchase the January app pack with nag screens that could not be dismissed without purchasing, and Touches that could not be sync'd while the nag screens were up ... ? So don't be too sure that we won't be forced to purchase this upgrade. They did it before ...

 

[dukebound85]

Maybe you've forgotten how Apple essentially forced people to purchase the January app pack with nag screens that could not be dismissed without purchasing, and Touches that could not be sync'd while the nag screens were up ... ? So don't be too sure that we won't be forced to purchase this upgrade. They did it before ...

lol i wont be forced to buy anything

bt i agree, that screen would not go away even with "no thanks" was bad on apples part

 

[mavis]

lol i wont be forced to buy anything

bt i agree, that screen would not go away even with "no thanks" was bad on apples part

Yeah, kind of kills the whole 'you don't HAVE to upgrade' argument the sheep keep throwing in our faces ... 🙄

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

I wonder if there is any chance the App store will be part of a free security update, and the rest of the 2.0 features will be at a cost.

I would think Apple would want to minimize the cost to get as many people to purchase it as possible, since it will bring them additional revenue...

What I think will happen is the App Store will be free, but all the enterprise features would cost money, similar to the 1.1.3 update.

 

[mavis]

What I think will happen is the App Store will be free, but all the enterprise features would cost money, similar to the 1.1.3 update.

Actually, 1.1.3 cost money, and it wasn't just the apps. For example, if you didn't pay, you didn't get the wobbly icons, lyrics, or webclips. So it wasn't just a matter of buying apps. It was an incremental upgrade that cost money, no matter how you slice it.

 

[Jack Flash]

Actually, 1.1.3 cost money, and it wasn't just the apps. For example, if you didn't pay, you didn't get the wobbly icons, lyrics, or webclips. So it wasn't just a matter of buying apps. It was an incremental upgrade that cost money, no matter how you slice it.

Truth. Apple is selling firmware. Apple is selling updates to applications. Apple is selling us the ability to give them more money in their store. Apple is nickel and diming their loyal customers and it must be stopped.