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iPod touch 2.0 firmware in June - get out your wallets

mrpalmer420 said:
Sony did not charge me for any sort of update.
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Again, if Sony chose to recognize the revenue of the PSP over a certain period of time (like Apple does with the iPhone and AppleTV) instead of as a lump-sum at the time you purchase it (like Apple does with the iPod touch), then they'd be able to add major, new functionality without charging.

The best case you have is to argue that Apple was stupid for not thinking ahead that they'd be adding major, new functionality to the iPod touch.

Were you not around 6 months ago when Steve Jobs was adamant that there'd be no native applications; web-apps were as good as it was going to get? The accounting that they used to setup the iPod touch is totally consistent with that, no?
 
aristobrat said:
Again, if Sony chose to recognize the revenue of the PSP over a certain period of time (like Apple does with the iPhone and AppleTV) instead of as a lump-sum at the time you purchase it (like Apple does with the iPod touch), then they'd be able to add major, new functionality without charging.

The best case you have is to argue that Apple was stupid for not thinking ahead that they'd be adding major, new functionality to the iPod touch.

Were you not around 6 months ago when Steve Jobs was adamant that there'd be no native applications; web-apps were as good as it was going to get? The accounting that they used to setup the iPod touch is totally consistent with that, no?
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I honestly doubt Sony accounts for the PSP over a 24 month period.
 
Jack Flash said:
I honestly doubt Sony accounts for the PSP over a 24 month period.
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I have no idea. I just know what I've read from the few technical blogs that have researched this issue. If you have any information to the contrary that you'd like to share, please post some links, .. I'm eager to learn some more.
 
aristobrat said:
I have no idea. I just know what I've read from the few technical blogs that have researched this issue. If you have any information to the contrary that you'd like to share, please post some links, .. I'm eager to learn some more.
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I've been searching myself and I can't find anything to support either side. :(
 
If you buy apple, you are getting a great product. The thing I look at these little money charges apple pulls is just a little penny in the grand scheme. Free applications for a small fee to start with. And I'm not paying a monthly contract fee for an iPhone. I think this is not a bad deal.

I love my iPod touch and I can't wait for this SDK to be official! Let's go WWDC!!
 
am I reading this correctly???

that for the firmware upgrade, I'll have to pay but then I'll be able to download whatever apps I want for free? If that's the case... I might be okay with it. But what about the people that paid for the apps in Jan? Will they now be available for free?

Or am I having to pay for the ability to download apps that I'll then have to pay for? I'm definitely not down with that.
 
kshott said:
that for the firmware upgrade, I'll have to pay but then I'll be able to download whatever apps I want for free? If that's the case... I might be okay with it. But what about the people that paid for the apps in Jan? Will they now be available for free?

Or am I having to pay for the ability to download apps that I'll then have to pay for? I'm definitely not down with that.
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What? The iTunes Store will distribute iPhone and iPod Touch compatible apps at various prices (whatever the developer decides). Some of these will be for free and some will be for a price. Apple and the developer will split the revenues 30/70, but only for the for sale (non-free) apps.

One question I still have is how shareware will be handled? Will this be considered free software with no split with Apple should the consumer decide to pay?
 
ctakim said:
One question I still have is how shareware will be handled? Will this be considered free software with no split with Apple should the consumer decide to pay?
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They could make two versions. One is a trial that only lasts for so long or has limitations and if you want the full one, you download it.
 
Apple is setting the way for all future business
models. Buy the base and pay for any and all
upgrades. Every other vendor will follow suit now.
We give into Apple then the future is set.
 
Nexxus said:
Apple is setting the way for all future business
models. Buy the base and pay for any and all
upgrades. Every other vendor will follow suit now.
We give into Apple then the future is set.
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I hate to tell you this, but it's too late. It's clear that Apple plans to charge for updates on the iPod touch, and probably will charge for other iPods also.

At least we get the OPTION to upgrade. I would love to have everything for free, but I just don't see that happening. I didn't like paying $200 to upgrade Photoshop for Leopard, but thats the way software works.

The iPod is really evolving into a computing platform, where you have to pay for software updates, just like you do for software on your computer.
 
Apple only charges for major iPod touch upgrades. 1.1.3 didn't require money, the 5 applications did. 2.0 will require money because it's a new version. You're paying less for the upgrades than you are for buying a new iPod touch every time Apple adds functionality which, for non-touch iPods, was how it worked (new model with new functions = buy new iPod to get functionality; iPod touch: new firmware = pay fee to upgrade, new applications = pay to buy the applications).

mrpalmer420 said:
The PSP is a great example. It was advertised as a handheld video game player and UMD player with internet access. I don't believe the ability to control the location free player was included in the original ones. Subsequant updates have given people that ability. This is a new feature set. Sony did not charge me for any sort of update.
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OMG! LocationFree! That requires buying a LocationFree base station! So in order to use the functionality, you have to pay Sony $300 (or have paid, so the revenue for the LocationFree function has been registered or will be registered). The point for that is moot. Sony offers the functionality, but you have to shell out money to be able to use it.
 
How is this any different than new releases of iLife? Every year, people must pay $79 for the new version or $599 or more for a new Mac (and get iLife free).

I just don't understand the problem. The iPod Touch was sold as an iPod with web browsing. You want more functionality? You have to pay for it (or jailbreak it). Seems fair.
 
deputy_doofy said:
How is this any different than new releases of iLife? Every year, people must pay $79 for the new version or $599 or more for a new Mac (and get iLife free).

I just don't understand the problem. The iPod Touch was sold as an iPod with web browsing. You want more functionality? You have to pay for it (or jailbreak it). Seems fair.
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What about those who bought iPods with the 5 applications? They bought a PDA didn't they... or at least an iPod that was understood to have other applications installed on it.
 
butterfly0fdoom said:
OMG! LocationFree! That requires buying a LocationFree base station! So in order to use the functionality, you have to pay Sony $300 (or have paid, so the revenue for the LocationFree function has been registered or will be registered). The point for that is moot. Sony offers the functionality, but you have to shell out money to be able to use it.
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What about Skype? What about Internet Radio? What about when they add the mobile Playstation Store later this year? These are all free.
 
Jack Flash said:
What about those who bought iPods with the 5 applications? They bought a PDA didn't they... or at least an iPod that was understood to have other applications installed on it.
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Well, you do have a point there. I don't know. It just doesn't bother me. Selling software is a necessary evil. Using newly created software that is sold to everyone else but given to new buyers is called marketing. As a shareholder.... and a shareholder of extremely few shares.... I like it. If the stock rises way up due to the SDK and such, Apple will be buying all my new Apple products. It's a win-win for me.
 
Just because I like things to be crystal clear, the June update for the ipod touch will allow it to connect to WPA/WPA2 enterprise networks? I've been wanting to buy one, but my university uses enterprise authentication, and I wouldn't be able to use the wifi...

-CEJ
 
Jack Flash said:
What about Skype? What about Internet Radio? What about when they add the mobile Playstation Store later this year? These are all free.
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Then to those I have no answer. I haven't even bothered with anything PSP-related and I'm not aware of anything happening on that front; my interest died out when the only thing I was using my PSP for was as a LocationFree device.
 
mrpalmer420 said:
I am not normally a complainer and was happy to pay the $20.00 for the first round of apps.

I will also be fine with paying for any apps that I may want.

The thing that is pissing me off slightly (and it really is just slightly) is that apple is making me pay for the ability to download these apps.

If i am wrong please correct me but to me it sounds as if 2.0 is simply going to update the software so that you can apply any new apps from outside developers.

Will this stop me from buying apple products. hell no (I will be getting my first iMac within the next two months) and i think people that come in here and say things like "apple has screwed us yet again" are not bright and really just need to find somewhere else to go

but i am slightly perturned by this.
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How about if the paid upgrade gives you something like the installer.app from which you can download whatever is available for no additional fee? The way I see it, if you can afford to spend $300 to buy a touch then the additional $20 isn't going to break the bank.

Anyway, you probably spend more than $20 if you go out one night for entertainment. Doesn't the touch give you entertainment equal to at least one night?
 
davidy said:
How about if the paid upgrade gives you something like the installer.app from which you can download whatever is available for no additional fee? The way I see it, if you can afford to spend $300 to buy a touch then the additional $20 isn't going to break the bank.

Anyway, you probably spend more than $20 if you go out one night for entertainment. Doesn't the touch give you entertainment equal to at least one night?
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It's simply the principle of the matter. We should not have to pay Apple for a store in which to pay them more money.
 
davidy said:
Why not??? Educate me - why do you expect to get everything additional free?
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Are you nuts? I guess you drank the kool aid!

Should you have to pay Apple just to get inside the Apple Store? Should you have to pay Apple $5.00 to access the iTunes store?
 
dukebound85 said:
dont you see his point?

we get to pay apple to the opportunity to buy apps from them or 3rd parties in which apple gets a 70 %cut....
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The hell?

We pay for not only just the opportunity buy PAID apps, but also multitudes of free ones. When you apply to be an SDK developer, you can state yourself as a free developer, or as a developer who wants money for it.

And by the way:

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BrownManUPS said:
The hell?

We pay for not only just the opportunity buy PAID apps, but also multitudes of free ones. When you apply to be an SDK developer, you can state yourself as a free developer, or as a developer who wants money for it.

And by the way:

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either way, do you not agree we have to pay to open up another steam of revenue for apple?

thats the point...
 
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