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Originally posted by itsbetteronamac
He he this is why I never a early adopeter for cpu's. We have to remember that apple is still a company who is out to do one thing, make money. They always try to get money out of the early adopeters and right before they make a major update. I still can't wait for 2.6GHz or 3GHz G5's. This way we can officailly beat the PC. The P4 is only going to be up to like 3.4GHz in january. And I don't think that AMD is going to update it's 64-bit processor, for a while. Nothing on the pc really utilizes it now, so why up it.
Hmm, if true, then apple has gone from being 1600 MHZ behind with the G4, to 1200 MHZ behind with the G5, and now to 600 MHZ only!!?? NICE!!
 
Re: Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Nope, a 64-bit processor is about more memory and bigger numbers.

They are not magically twice as fast, since a lot of 32-bit processors may already be running 64/128-bit pipelines internally.

And the problem with the G4 is entirely bus related, but the 32/36-bit address bus does limit it's life.

I dont mean they run like clock speed faster, i mean they feel as if they run about twice as fast.
 
Re: Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by daRAT
Then why are you all getting a hardon over this rumor of a mhz increase in the G5?

Because brhmac was comparing MHz across processors. It's perectly ok to get excited over a MHz increase within the same processor line (as long as it's scalable that is).

LP
 
Originally posted by silvergunuk
My G4 400 mhz is still under warranty...hmmm a dual 2.6 looks like itll have an untimely death.. now i have to make up a story to tell the insurance.. i was carrying it around when it accidently fell out the window.

this actually made me laugh out loud... even when I reread it the second time. Well done... well done indeed.
 
Originally posted by dho
The new mp g5 will probobly end up being faster then the opteron at first. The opteon will surpass the g5 with annother update, and it will likely be neck and neck for a while.

If amd isnt able to keep up with ibm and apple they will be left behind very quickly at their current speeds.

If you look at AMDs roadmap, they will stay neck and neck with the G5 for clock speed, and at identical clock speeds, the AMD tends to be a wee bit faster on average (but not enough to worry about in most cases). From what I understand, mid-2.x GHz AMD chips are already be starting to show up in people's hands and should be shipping in volume in a matter of weeks. Dual core AMDs should show up in 2004, IIRC.

AMD has a CPU core that will scale every bit as well as the IBM cores, so that is not an issue. As for fab processes, AMD and IBM are actually connected at the hip and so AMD will be using the same fab technology as IBM.

All of which is just fine with me; I use both PPC and Opteron systems. IBM won't be pulling ahead of AMD for the foreseeable future, and the competition is healthy anyway.
 
Originally posted by Fukui
Hmm, if true, then apple has gone from being 1600 MHZ behind with the G4, to 1200 MHZ behind with the G5, and now to 600 MHZ only!!?? NICE!!


Hm! You mean 800. 3400-2600=800 :)
 
I hope they get the price down on Opteron!

Originally posted by tortoise
If you look at AMDs roadmap, they will stay neck and neck with the G5 for clock speed, and at identical clock speeds, the AMD tends to be a wee bit faster on average (but not enough to worry about in most cases). From what I understand, mid-2.x GHz AMD chips are already be starting to show up in people's hands and should be shipping in volume in a matter of weeks. Dual core AMDs should show up in 2004, IIRC.

AMD has a CPU core that will scale every bit as well as the IBM cores, so that is not an issue. As for fab processes, AMD and IBM are actually connected at the hip and so AMD will be using the same fab technology as IBM.

All of which is just fine with me; I use both PPC and Opteron systems. IBM won't be pulling ahead of AMD for the foreseeable future, and the competition is healthy anyway.


At least for the time being, I have to run my Pro/e on a PC. I priced out a dual Opteron mobo (Tyan Thunder K8W) and 2 chips (244). It came to about $1500 and I still need power supply, case, RAM, SATA drive(s) etc. Opteron may come into its own when it gets to 90nm, but for now, my upgrade is going to be a 2.8 HT Pentium.

Ah, but to have Pro/e on OSX. Only Pro/Concept is currently available, but with these performance increases, anything could happen.
 
first off, let me say that i always read the whole thread before responding, perhaps that should be the rule and *not* the exception.

when i read studiopix's post, i almost fell out of my chair because it was hillarious, and rather indicative of the way some people can be on these forums.

when i read the rest of the posts condemning him for a JOKE, it made me sick. it makes me feel like the reason people come on the board are to find fault in someone's post and blast them on it...

why don't we all get a little sense of humor and not rip people apart for anything and everything... they are people too and deserve to have their own opinions and humor.

that's the thing about opinion... it's not right or wrong. let's keep it that way.
 
Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by brhmac
Dell is putting 2.8 GHz in laptops. And at a thousand bucks. Apple can't even do it for 3 grand.
It really doesn't make a lot of sense to compare Dell laptops with Apple laptops because the design philosophy is so different.

Apple will never make a portable that weighs 10 pounds and only gets 2 hours of battery life. It's just not going to happen. Sure, they could have released a G5 PowerBook last summer at the same time as the PowerMac G5s, but it would have weighed 10 pounds, had 6 fans, and would only get 1-2 hours of battery time.

I'd personally rather wait until it's designed properly, that way I don't end up with a desktop replacement that isn't portable.
 
Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by LimeLite
riiiiight. compare a 2.6Ghz 64-bit PowerPC processor to the 2.8GHz Intel chip that Dell is using. I'm sure they're very similar.

Not only that, but watch how fast that 2.8 Ghz Intel chip runs on battery...
 
Re: Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by akac
Not only that, but watch how fast that 2.8 Ghz Intel chip runs on battery...

it runs at 2.8ghz on battery...unless you tell it not to....
 
normally, there are three different speeds for the power mac line. why would they be developing four chips?????? 2.0 Ghz Powerbook G5 anyone????? ah i can only dream
 
Re: looking to buy a g5. recommendations?

Originally posted by omnivector
if this rumor is true it would mean that the dual 1.8 will be gone at MWSF and that my only choice for the low-end dual will be a dual 2.2?
That's never the way it works. Any remaining inventory of the older models will be cleared out at bargain prices. If you can afford to wait, you will always get a better deal. Also, the newer models will most likely be the same price, just faster. Right now the dual 1.8 is the middle of the line. If you wait until the speedbumps and get a dual 2.2 it will most likely cost the exact same amount.
 
duhuhuhuhuuuuuude!

I thought he was serious. Guess I'm just a sucka.

Anyone got a website for Sarcasm and Irony? Maybe if we post it, we can all download some, along with "SenseofHumor 6.1," the Panther update. :cool:

So does this mean G5 AluBooks are nearer?
 
Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
Wow. If this truly happens in January, buyers of the new dual 1.8 G5 will be pissed to see their machines outdated in one month. :eek:

Yeah, I'd be one of those... :mad: I tried frantically to swap my single 1.8 for a dual when they announced them two weeks after I took delivery, but Apple wanted a 10% restocking fee. Great.
 
Originally posted by Steven1621
normally, there are three different speeds for the power mac line. why would they be developing four chips?????? 2.0 Ghz Powerbook G5 anyone????? ah i can only dream
Calm down! Nothing's for certain! Who said Apple's using all of them?

It's a "rumor" ;)

It's all good :) :D

[edit: oh, mistook the ?'s - there is hope and optimism - so who knows, right? :)]
 
That's awesome!

Wow, if Apple announces that it will just be amazing. I'm waiting until next summer to order my G5 because I want to wait until they have (hopefully) 3 ghz. dual and dual cores (from the Power5) so it will really be like having a quad processor box! That should effectively blow anything Intel or AMD has out of the market.

The only thing that would make me angry is if they somehow pull off a G5 PowerBook, considering I just bought my 1.25 15" AlBook a month ago.

Cheers!
 
Originally posted by crees!
The dual 1.8's will still work then right? So what's problem? Unless you have that, GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME mindset.
I think U missed the point. I didn't say a dual 1.8 would be rendered useless with the introduction of new machines. Here Apple makes an "upgrade" to their product line, so you buy at that time thinking you've got the latest and greatest, at least for a while. But then less than 30 days later Apple brings out a dual 2.4GHz as the mid-line computer for less money than U paid for a dual 1.8, I think that would make one experience a little buyer's remorse.
 
Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Yummy. Does that mean they might be faster than 3.0 GHz by WWDC? Can you imagine a Dual 3.2 GHz PowerMac? Wow.

:D

with the G5 i can easily imagine a 3.2GHz version.

nice icon by the way, i love the new album.
 
who knows, maybe IBM was being really conservative about the 3ghz by June...and dual 2.6 will be the low end of the powermacs. (With 2, 2.2, 2.4 going into powerbooks or imacs.)
 
Re: Rot in hell Apple...

Originally posted by studiopix
I can't believe Apple is doing this. Now my once high end PowerMac 400 MHZ G4 system is too slow compared to a Dual 2.6 G5. Way to screw your loyal customer base Apple!

Does Apple expect me to buy a new machine after only four years of service? Unbelievable!

-Studio
I'm with you... They really need to improve the performance of Panther and the iApps. I need to stick with my G3 400 for another 5 years... 10 years life minimum. :mad:
 
Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
I think U missed the point. I didn't say a dual 1.8 would be rendered useless with the introduction of new machines. Here Apple makes an "upgrade" to their product line, so you buy at that time thinking you've got the latest and greatest, at least for a while. But then less than 30 days later Apple brings out a dual 2.4GHz as the mid-line computer for less money than U paid for a dual 1.8, I think that would make one experience a little buyer's remorse.

This is why I don't buy until a product is JUST announced or upgraded. I got my bro a iBook G4 the day it came out, my dad a 1Ghz 12" PB, and myself a 30 GB iPod the day after they were announced. I got lucky with my first Mac...the 667Mhz 15" TiBook DVI...I didn't know this site existed at the time, so I didn't know about the rumors, but the 15 inchers didn't see an update for about a year after I got mine (which was already a bit dated).

If you need it, you need it, and it's worth buying on the spot, but if you can hold off, you'll always get better stuff.

--DT
 
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