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And how exactly is Aluminum a good thing versus the much more sturdy, robust Titanium of current iPhone Pros?
Aluminum is lighter per volume, is more stiff, and has much, much better thermal conductivity.
Titanium is generally stronger per weight, so it can either be lighter or heavier than aluminum depending upon the design.

I’d buy a 17 mini in October otherwise I’ll probably wait for the 17e.
There definitely won't be a 17 mini. I also wonder if there will be a 17e or not.
 
I waited specifically for the upgraded camera module, regardless of its size.
We are talking about the design, not the cameras (which are separate bullet points in the article). No one likes those renders (except maybe companies that sell cases). It's bigger, but the lenses are still not flush, so you can't use it as a ledge. Hideous design choice.
 
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And how exactly is Aluminum a good thing versus the much more sturdy, robust Titanium of current iPhone Pros?
We made the phone lighter for the 15 Pro by going to titanium, added all that weight back in with the 16 Pro to see if anyone noticed, and now we are going to shed weight again by switching to aluminum. Genius! (Except the bigger camera module and increased battery will add more weight most likely.)
 
We are talking about the design, not the cameras (which are separate bullet points in the article). No one likes those renders (except maybe companies that sell cases). It's bigger, but the lenses are still not flush, so you can't use it as a ledge. Hideous design choice.
I personally don't care that much. I don't think it looks great but I never thought the old design looked great either. They're both OK though. OTOH, I'm very much looking forward to the new camera setup, which may (or may not) have required the new camera bump design.
 
As someone who uses the zoom quite a bit on the camera, moving from 12MP / 5x to 48MP / 8x would be a really nice jump; but from what I've seen there has only been the one rather sketchy rumor about 8x. Have any other sites corroborated that rumor?
 
As someone who uses the zoom quite a bit on the camera, moving from 12MP / 5x to 48MP / 8x would be a really nice jump; but from what I've seen there has only been the one rather sketchy rumor about 8x. Have any other sites corroborated that rumor?
Yes, it's a really sketchy rumour, and nobody else has corroborated it. The prior rumour was that it would be a 3.5X 48 MP sensor which can be cropped (not interpolated) to 7X 12 MP, just like how the 1X 48 MP sensor can be cropped to 2X 12 MP like on other recent iPhones. If this is what is happening, then we'd get:

0.5X / 1X / 2X / 3.5X / 7X or 0.5X / 1X / 2X / 4X / 8X

On the current iPhone 16 Pro Max we get 0.5X / 1X / 2X / 5X, which is a bit awkward for some.
 
Eh... My 16 Pro felt like a major upgrade from my 13 Pro. These are all cool, but I'm also content to wait until the 18 or 19 for both my own fiscal considerations as well as not leaping onto the latest greatest.
Well, what you're describing is just a standard upgrade cycle for mainstream customers - 2 years if you're on a carrier lease plan, or 3-5 years if you purchase outright. The percentage of people upgrading after 1 year is very, very small. I always find it strange that some MacRumors users need to be reminded that the target market for new iPhones is not the group who just bought a new iPhone the year prior.

For the record, I will be upgrading to the 17 Pro Max from my 12 Pro Max, so 5 years for me.
 
The reason is aluminum frame over titanium?.
How about not even ready for AI, for that we will need iPhone 18.
“Better” CPU wasted on glass interface and same battery life. Now need a new phone to run the glass interface!.
Isn’t that “reasons to NOT buy” (refuse to use the word upgrade because it is not and UPgrade!).
Better zoom is a semi real reason to update.
If DI is substantially smaller, also a reason.
Feels there are less and less reasons every year to change previous iPhone. So sad.
 


The iPhone 17 series is now just weeks away. Apple's iPhone 17 event this year is rumored to be scheduled for Tuesday, September 9. If Apple follows the traditional pattern, iPhone 17 pre-orders would begin on the Friday, September 12. The new devices would then likely reach customers and retail stores the following Friday, September 19.

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If you're in the market for a new iPhone this year, or just plain curious, here are 20 rumored features coming to the iPhone 17 lineup next month.

1. iPhone 17 "Air"
iPhone 17 Plus
Apple plans to launch an all-new iPhone 17 model with a "significantly thinner" design, reports The Information. The device, which could be called "iPhone 17 Air," will feature a "major redesign" that will feature a single rear camera located on a horizontal camera bar running along the top of the device, along with a narrower Dynamic Island, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes the iPhone 17 Air will be 5.5mm thick at its thinnest point, which likely means it will have a 5.5mm chassis with a thicker rear camera bump area. The device is rumored to have a 6.6-inch display size, and is likely to replace the Plus model in Apple's lineup. Other reported features include an aluminum chassis, an A19 chip, Apple's C1 modem, an Action button, a Camera Control button, and a 24MP front camera. See our iPhone 17 Air rumor roundup for more.

2. New All-Aluminum Design
All iPhone 17 Models
Apple is reportedly planning to bring all its devices back to aluminum with the iPhone 17 lineup. The two flagship iPhone 17 Pro models will mark the return of aluminum frames to high-end iPhones for the first time since Apple began distinguishing between Pro and non-Pro models. In recent years, aluminum frames have been reserved for lower-end devices like the iPhone SE and iPhone 16, while premium models featured stainless steel frames until the iPhone 15 Pro, which introduced a titanium chassis as a major upgrade. This shift in materials for the iPhone 17 lineup signals a unified approach, with aluminum frames set to return across the entire device range.

3. Significantly Redesigned Camera
iPhone 17 Pro & iPhone 17 Pro Max
This year's iPhone 17 Pro models will have a major redesign, specifically centering around changes to the rear camera module. Apple will move away from the familiar square camera bump to a distinctive aluminum camera bar that spans the device's width, according to recent reports. The camera area will be the same color as the rest of the device. The redesigned camera module is not expected to extend to the regular iPhone 17.

The devices are rumored to feature a new rear design combining aluminum and glass. The top half of the back will be aluminum, incorporating a new camera bump made from aluminum instead of the traditional 3D glass. The bottom half will remain glass to enable wireless charging. While Apple has used a glass back since the ‌iPhone‌ 8 and ‌iPhone‌ X in 2017, earlier ‌iPhone‌ models – except the ‌iPhone‌ 3G, ‌iPhone‌ 3GS, and ‌iPhone‌ 5C – had aluminum rears.

4. New Display Sizes
iPhone 17 & iPhone 17 Plus
Last year's iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max got bigger display sizes, going from 6.12- and 6.69-inches to 6.27- and 6.86-inches, respectively. For 2025, Apple is also expected to bring the larger 6.27-inch display size to its standard ‌iPhone‌ model, while the equivalent "iPhone 17 Plus" model (provisionally called "iPhone 17 Air") could adopt completely new display dimensions.

5. 120Hz ProMotion (Always-on Display)
iPhone 17 & iPhone 17 Plus
Rumors indicate Apple intends to expand ProMotion to all iPhone models in 2025, allowing all models to ramp up to a 120Hz refresh rate for smoother scrolling and video content when necessary. Previously, only "Pro" models in Apple's iPhone lineup have had the feature. Notably, ProMotion would also enable the display on the iPhone 17 and iPhone 17 "Air" to ramp down to a more power-efficient refresh rate as low as 1Hz, allowing for an always-on display that can show the Lock Screen's clock, widgets, notifications, and wallpaper even when the device is locked. Most recently, one leaker has disputed that the non-Pro models will get ProMotion, claiming that they will come with fixed... Click here to read rest of article

Article Link: 20 Reasons to Wait for the iPhone 17
Will all phones have usb C video out? the 16e didnt
 
Nah, I’m good. I would take an iPhone 17 in exchange for the 16 that I about under false marketing though. Otherwise they can kick rocks.
 
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