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2005 Baseball Season
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MacNut said:
i believe, and i dont follow his every step so i could be wrong, that he said that the record isn't everything to him. i think he craves a championship more. but im not really a fan of him, so i dont know.
roids or not, the guy is solid for being 40, minus the knee thing. as much as i dont really like him, i gotta give him his props, hes been spankin the hide around.
however, living in st louis and being a huge cards fan, im ecstatic that pujols finally has a chanced for his well deserved MVP.
Randy Johnson showed that you can make a comeback from career ending knee surgery at that age if you want to.
But for the Giants, this is taking out one of the key players before the season starts.
Any significant time out at all, changes the NLW landscape just a bit.
But for the Giants, this is taking out one of the key players before the season starts.
Any significant time out at all, changes the NLW landscape just a bit.
The Giants are still sticking to the 4 to 6 weeks schedule for his comeback. That means late April. If so, it won't hurt them too much. If he is out until mid-season, it likely means their chances for the division will be radically diminished.
I think Barry is just having a bad day after the stories of his "mistress" hit the local papers. No doubt explaining that to his kids was a tad difficult. If true, it puts him in the company of great ballplayers like Ruth, Mantle, Boggs, etc.
macnut, not everything must be steroid related. I know you have already convicted Bonds of a crime worse than murder, but even if he did take steroids it doesn't follow that the surgeries on his knees have anything to do with it. As far as I know, steroids don't cause fraying of your mcl. Over 2700 games in the major leagues? Now that could cause it.
I think Barry is just having a bad day after the stories of his "mistress" hit the local papers. No doubt explaining that to his kids was a tad difficult. If true, it puts him in the company of great ballplayers like Ruth, Mantle, Boggs, etc.
macnut, not everything must be steroid related. I know you have already convicted Bonds of a crime worse than murder, but even if he did take steroids it doesn't follow that the surgeries on his knees have anything to do with it. As far as I know, steroids don't cause fraying of your mcl. Over 2700 games in the major leagues? Now that could cause it.
Sayhey said:
My guess is that the Giants bring him along slower than that. They'd rather he came back in July than rush it again and risk the season. If they have a prolonged slump, they may feel the pressure to hurry him along. This puts the Giants in a tough position because they signed several free agents this offseason with the expectation that they needed to make a move before Bonds finally breaks down. They're kind of shooting for the moon. Alou in particular only seems to be there to try to give Bonds some protection in the lineup. But they were saying 4-6 weeks rehab from his previous knee surgery this offseason. It seems unlikely to me that they would bring him back sooner than that this time.
I think all this is a bit of an overreaction right now. Obviously Bonds is down more than usual with the recent attention he's getting and the injury. Anybody probably would be. But like I mentioned above, the longer he's out, the harder it will be for him to come back and play at a high level. That would be extremely hard to do, but then he's proven everyone wrong about his age before, so if anyone can do it, it's probably him. And it's impossible to know if steroids are involved in a knee injury to an outfielder. Those joints are under so much stress already. Steroids might even strengthen a knee enough to delay surgery for all we know. However, carrying around all the extra muscle mass would put more stress on his joints.
Besides, I've always dreamed of Bonds' last at-bat being a strikeout against the Dodgers with the division title on the line. How is that gonna happen if he hangs 'em up now?
So a few of my opinions on the this whole bonds thing ...
1. injuries happen. ask the cubs last year. look at the cardinals success , very few serious injuries and even when they did have some they were look overable .... injuries hurt the stros during they're down slump not tthat they didn't come back
2. maybe barry should be done? He should hang it up and retire as an arguable greatest player ...
3. giants atleast "kind of " knew this was coming ... they weren't fully expecting it but adding a good hitter like Moises Alou .... that wasn't just to protect barry, the first thought yes but the final thought no, they saw this as possible. Plus Alou plays well under his father, and he can pee on his hands all he wants ... They added some talent that could maybe hold up a team if barry was down
4. I care to an extent but I don't want to hear about this everyday until july ...
1. injuries happen. ask the cubs last year. look at the cardinals success , very few serious injuries and even when they did have some they were look overable .... injuries hurt the stros during they're down slump not tthat they didn't come back
2. maybe barry should be done? He should hang it up and retire as an arguable greatest player ...
3. giants atleast "kind of " knew this was coming ... they weren't fully expecting it but adding a good hitter like Moises Alou .... that wasn't just to protect barry, the first thought yes but the final thought no, they saw this as possible. Plus Alou plays well under his father, and he can pee on his hands all he wants ... They added some talent that could maybe hold up a team if barry was down
4. I care to an extent but I don't want to hear about this everyday until july ...
I'm looking forward to another perfectly mediocre season in Cleveland...
Juan Gonzalez put up good numbers last time he played for the Tribe, but our hope rests squarely in the hands of all our young prospects, and C.C. Sabathia maturing into a true ace.
As for Bonds, the media firestorm certainly must have a negative psychological effect on him. He'll beat the record, if he has to drag himself dying to the plate for years to get the last few dingers. And 41 years old isn't all that amazing - look at Julio Franco, heck I remember rooting for him in Cleveland back in the 1980's...he should come back.
I'd post some predictions but I'm not that well read on this stuff. I'd like to see the Cardinals go all the way this time though.
Juan Gonzalez put up good numbers last time he played for the Tribe, but our hope rests squarely in the hands of all our young prospects, and C.C. Sabathia maturing into a true ace.
As for Bonds, the media firestorm certainly must have a negative psychological effect on him. He'll beat the record, if he has to drag himself dying to the plate for years to get the last few dingers. And 41 years old isn't all that amazing - look at Julio Franco, heck I remember rooting for him in Cleveland back in the 1980's...he should come back.
I'd post some predictions but I'm not that well read on this stuff. I'd like to see the Cardinals go all the way this time though.
Not really, Randy Johnson did have career ending knee surgery (they basically had to remove the cartiledge in the knee and left him with bone-on-bone contact) -- from what they're saying about Barry, the cartiledge problem in Barry's knee wasn't anywhere near that severe -- he reinjured the knee days after the surgery.aloofman said:
The team was expecting him back...
Edit: Of course the Giants may be lying, it's not unusual for that to happen. Look at what they said about Schilling originally, and the story that is now being told...
Sun Baked said:
i don't think its the redsox saying that I think its schilling ...
first "I won't be ready for the opener"
then R. Johnson to the Yanks obvious opening day starter ...
"I'll be ready"
then after a few setbacks
"I dunno"
and now he's pitched in a minor league game so we'll see but I wouldn't expect him ...
Sun Baked said:
How could Randy's surgery have been career-ending if he's still playing now? Tony Gwynn also played a few years with no cartilage left in one knee. I didn't say it can't be done. But these are two different people with two different bodies. You can never be sure how well someone will recover and how good the recovered athlete will be. Medical science accomplishes amazing things, especially at the elite athlete level, but it's not a sure thing. Saying "Randy did it so it should be easy for Barry" doesn't really mean anything. It's like saying that Excedrin made my headache go away so it must work for you too.
No it's based on the vibe from the team and Barry making it sound like an emotional issue and not something physical.aloofman said:
It's not that he's too old to come back, it's more like he's too drained right now to come back -- it's not like the last few years haven't been an emotional rollercoaster.
Of course, he'll probably end up with an $18 million vacation.
And yes, for a great number of athletes, what they did to Randy is a career ending surgery.
But will Bonds be the same player when he returns, even if he is not on the juice he wont be the same as he was before the surgery. What did he have done to his knees anyways? This sounds a lot like when Michael Jordan retired the first time, he said the pressure was getting to him and he wanted to spend time with his family. Is it possible that Bonds is kicking around the same thoughts.
Bonds is playing with the media. He is trying to distract them from his ex-girlfriend testifying that he told her he used steroids. Bonds talks a lot, and usually doesn't do what he says. He will be back. I highly doubt he would sit out the whole year. As a Dodger fan it wouldn't bother me if he did miss this year, though.
yay! steve stone is announcing for espn on the cubs for preseason baseball, i'm gonna miss him in the booth this year and I wish he hadn't been forced out ...
but this brings back some memories, some happy some bad but I hope I get to hear him on a bunch of espn games.
but this brings back some memories, some happy some bad but I hope I get to hear him on a bunch of espn games.
The Red Sox have officially announced today that they will be remaining at Fenway Park. The oldest and smallest park in MLB.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/4312036/detail.html
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/4312036/detail.html
Only 1 week till baseball season starts again with the rematch of the Yankees and Red Sox on Sunday night. Will the Big Unit Randy Johnson get the Yankees to another championship. Will the Red Sox pay for not having Pedro, only time will tell as one of the best seasons is about to begin.
It nearly was, and in fact probably should have been. Johnson had his knee injected with what is essentially motor oil to alleiviate the bone-on-bone pain and subsequent deterioration. This is a pretty radical procedure in that it can only be perfomed once - Johnson opted for it because it's not as evasive as the surgery to replace the cartilage. When it wears off later this season (good for less than a year, I think), we'll see a lot of Alex Graman.
MacNut, I am very much looking forward to ALCS Game 8, as I'm sure you are. This will be fun.
Sox said:
I appreciate that fact that the surgery wasn't a guarantee at all, even that it was unlikely to work. But either it's career-ending or it's not. If he can't play anymore after the surgery, then it is. If he plays again, then it isn't.
True, the Unit will take the ball this Sunday, but I think this injury will end up being career-ending. I don't think I made it clear in my previous post, but Johnson's type of knee problem usually precludes intense physical activity, even after surgery - i.e. he has surgery to live without pain, but can never pitch again.
The "Motor Oil" injection is akin to players getting shots of cortisone, except that it can only be administered once, or else it does more harm than good. After it wears off, he's toast. It's bizarre, because the Yankees MUST have known this, and yet gave him, what was it, three years?
The "Motor Oil" injection is akin to players getting shots of cortisone, except that it can only be administered once, or else it does more harm than good. After it wears off, he's toast. It's bizarre, because the Yankees MUST have known this, and yet gave him, what was it, three years?
aloofman said:Besides, I've always dreamed of Bonds' last at-bat being a strikeout against the Dodgers with the division title on the line. How is that gonna happen if he hangs 'em up now?
Funny how close our dreams are. Bonds' last regular season at-bat against the Dodgers and the division on the line. So far it's all the same. However, mine ends with the ball getting wet in McCovey Cove.
Yes, and Pedro and his torn labrum "passed" his Mets physical.
However, upon further review, it turns out that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Johnson is taking injections of Synervis, which will lubricate his knee joint and last for six months at a time. He can in fact have the procedure done again. I'm an idiot.