Lord Blackadder said:
I don't know about the gagging noises you mentioned, but I agree with everything else...
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I don't know about the gagging noises you mentioned, but I agree with everything else...
Everyone is assuming Manning is referring to his o-line. What if it was a shot at the coaching staff? Indy's O-line was gettin' it's lunch eaten so why weren't there more max protect packages used by Indy? It reminds me a bit of the 'Skins coaching in the 'Skins/'Hawks game. If Plan A isn't working switch to Plan B. But neither team ('Skins or Colts) switched away from Plan A. I mean, yeah, Plan A might have worked most of the season but it ain't workin' now.
Look at the Steelers. They beat the Colts by largely playing non-Steeler football on offense. The Colts didn't make adjustments and they lost because of it. It reminded me of the Colts/Chargers game in some ways. The Colts, while not arrogant, were over confident. There was a mindset of, "We've played this way all year and had great success, why change it?" And the obvious answer is, "You've played that way all year which means teams have had a long time to find holes in your game plan."
Lethal
Look at the Steelers. They beat the Colts by largely playing non-Steeler football on offense. The Colts didn't make adjustments and they lost because of it. It reminded me of the Colts/Chargers game in some ways. The Colts, while not arrogant, were over confident. There was a mindset of, "We've played this way all year and had great success, why change it?" And the obvious answer is, "You've played that way all year which means teams have had a long time to find holes in your game plan."
Lethal
LethalWolfe said:
True... he was dissing them in the game after all by waving the punt unit back off the field.
LethalWolfe said:
Again, I agree, if a team isn't prepared to change up their entire scheme, then they are just begging for a loss.
aw heck, the last few years in football, and sports in general in the usa has been pretty strange...red sox win, white sox win, kobe and shaq making up, the colts losing in the playoffs, etc
so why not a carolina vs steelers superbowl? and to add a twist to the mix, both carolina and the steelers will both win by at least ten points this coming sunday...how's that for strange prediction?
so why not a carolina vs steelers superbowl? and to add a twist to the mix, both carolina and the steelers will both win by at least ten points this coming sunday...how's that for strange prediction?
jefhatfield said:
If the White Sox win the World Series, but nobody sees them win or cares, did it actually happen?
I foresee an NFC superbowl champion this year.
clayj said:
it's the least likely scenario imho and it would be kind of fun...imagine also both the broncos and seahawks both getting shut out? ok, that's really stretching things but who thought indy would be practically shut down most of 3 quarters and almost come back close in the 4th and lose anyway?...strange game indeed
with a game to go in the nfc and afc, it's still possible that key players can get injured and change the whole picture
no team left has tons of stars to go around like the cowboys, niners, and steelers of old and none of the four remaining teams can afford an injury of just one key player...there's just not that much depth in the rosters
LethalWolfe said:I'm sure Carolina and Seattle fans would disagree w/you.
Lethal
I think there are depth issues...
The Steelers are screwed without Big Ben. Polamalu and Porter are big playmakers...I can't see anyone stepping up to fill their shoes.
Carolina is in trouble without their starting QB as well. Steve Smith is a pretty critical component of their offense; an injury there would really hurt points production.
LethalWolfe said:I'm sure Carolina and Seattle fans would disagree w/you.
Lethal
when i mean stars, it's people like walter payton, joe montana, ronnie lott, and dan marino i am thinking of...not just your "better than average" types of players
seattle has shaun alexander and the steelers have that nursery rhyme guy who is a running back who may one day be great stars...perhaps even be hall of famers
some of the teams of old had so much depth
for instance, my late 80s/early 90s niners:
for qb you had joe montana backed by steve young and later, well, the other way around and both had gazillions of receivers who were worthy and strong running backs to hand the ball off to...and for defense there were plenty of top flight operators and they were willing to crush the opposing teams' qbs
and then there were the 90s cowboys:
they had at the very least three, the triplets, and perhaps more than that who were/are hall of fame bound
and wow what a wicked, and deep, defense who could make just about any offense shake in their shoes and were probably the next scariest i have ever seen next to the eagles one year way back when they sent seven starting qbs to the bench, due to injuries, in one season
I think Carolina has coasted on luck and the fact the neither team they played were playing their A game.
I wonder if they are finished getting their fingers sized... Unless seattle screws up big time i cant see them not walking off with that Super Bowl Title.
Ed
I wonder if they are finished getting their fingers sized... Unless seattle screws up big time i cant see them not walking off with that Super Bowl Title.
Ed
Pride goeth before a fall, baby. And before you decide that neither the Giants nor the Bears were playing their A game, think about this: What if Carolina is just THAT good? We thrive on the road... your 12th man will not affect us. Just ask the Rams in 2004, the Eagles the following week, the Giants and the Bears... all road games we were supposed to lose.Ed H said:
Ooo, this is gonna get good. I like intensity. The Panthers seem to have good representation in here, now Seattle fans are beginning to fire it up. Heard a few Steeler voices, but where are the Bronco inchas? Since my two teams have bit the dust, I need convincing so my life has purpose come Feb. 5th.
The Panthers seem to have good representation in here, now Seattle fans are beginning to fire it up. Heard a few Steeler voices, but where are the Bronco inchas? Since my two teams have bit the dust, I need convincing so my life has purpose come Feb. 5th. clayj said:
On crack? You dont really think that Seattle can beat Pittsburgh do you? The Burg is the #6 and Seattle is the number one. Its painfully obvious that Seattle isnt even in the same class as Pittsburgh right now. And on top of that, everyone would admit that Denver is a favorite over Pittsburgh this weekend. If, by some miracle Denver dosent win the Bowl, it will be because they screwed it up themselves, not because either Carolina or Seattle is the better team or outplayed them.
And by the way, I'll enjoy watching Carolina's 3rd string back playing this weekend. Thats gotta make you feel confident.
Mr. Durden said:
Can't believe so many people are writing off the Panthers. Goings isn't your typical 3rd string back - he got 800+ yards the other year when he got some playing time.
Also bear in mind, that Willie Parker went into the preseason as the number 3 back and only ended up starting because the Bus and Duce were hurt.
The Panthers are playing well right now; I think the NFC championship game should be a good one.
Applespider said:
I for one am not writing the Panthers off at all, in fact I'm pretty confident that they will win..We've seen them play like this before, and they went to super bowl then too..
I'll enjoy watching him, too... last season he ran for 5 100-yard+ games, 4 in a row, and we won ALL four of those. Nick Goings is a bull-rusher and he can hammer any defense into submission.Mr. Durden said:
So, yes, I *do* feel confident.
xsedrinam said:
here here. i've been posting here and there since that start of this thread, and of course a bit more recently. but i seem to be quite alone
the steelers broncos game will be very entertaining. It could go either way, but i think the edge goes to the broncos because of the coaching of shanahan and the 12th man!!!
daniel
clayj said:
If he was really so great, do you think he would still be a 3rd stringer? A few good games does not a game breaker make. Although, against Seattle he may very well rack up 150 yards. He'd be lucky to get a third of that against Denver or the Burgh, though.
clayj said:
CAROLINA could be a dynasty in the making and most dynasties start very quietly and such a team usually adds at least two rings to their first "fluke" superbowl win to show the historians they are legit
carolina is definitely sneaking up on the rest of the nation and even if they go to three superbowls and lose, they will still cement their reputation as a contender...the bills and vikings did that and made many opponents afraid of them even though they never won a superbowl
while some may say the patriots are the most boring and least talented dynasty in nfl history, they do qualify for that lofty title
jefhatfield said:
Absolutely - 3 SuperBowls in 4 years is nothing to be ignored - can't take that away from them.
Technically, he's not a 3rd stringer... he's our 2nd string fullback. But he's really more of a hybrid FB/HB... he's faster than Brad Hoover, our starting fullback, but not as good of a blocker.Mr. Durden said:
~Shard~ said:Absolutely - 3 SuperBowls in 4 years is nothing to be ignored - can't take that away from them.
so many fans and press pay attention to great offense like montana, aikman, young, marino, elway, sanders, smith, alexander, etc, but few are awed the same way by a great defense and the patriots had that amazing defense knocking balls out of running backs' hands, stopping attempts up the middle, holding their ground on third down, blocking passes, intercepting passes, and not making stupid errors
in the end, it added up to potentially smaller points for their opponents and three superbowl rings for those patriots and a good addition to the red sox ring and celtics championships and virtually put boston on the sports map on nearly the same level as new york with their teams of glory throughout history
the red sox were the choke team of baseball and they put that curse to rest, and the patriots of old were one of the choke teams of the nfl and those three rings put that curse to rest
right now, seattle has kind of a curse to put to rest since they have had so many chances at greatness but failed, and they have no ring yet...carolina doesn't have one but they have not been around nearly as long...and the broncos and steelers have multiple rings so it's just another piece of hardware for them, really
i am going to be excited to see carolina take on the seahawks since they are both very hungry for that eventual championship which still could be a bust...if the seahawks were #6 seed with a 10-6 regular season record, i would be extremely excited about them, no superbowl ring and all, but since they are considered the best team remaining of the four, it takes the wind out of my sails
it's kind of like rooting for the us olympic team in track and field where they just dominate the field
anyway, i love underdogs and though i don't wish harm on any qb or star running back, it would be great to see a backup qb win a superbowl in a game of his life the way washington did with williams and new york did with hostetler way back when...now those were games
Washington just signed Al Saunders (Offensive Coord.) away from KC and they'll make it official at a press conference Monday. Saunders was rumored to take one of the head coaching spots around the league, but it looks like Gibbs and Snyder ('Skins owner) convinced another hot, would-be head coach to work under Gibbs (Gregg Williams being the first). So far so good in the 'Skins off season.
Lethal
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