It should be good, BUT, what do people want to see. If they expect loads of overtaking then I think we will be disappointed, again!
Again, you put the fastest guy first and the slowest last then you aint going to get much are you?
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It should be good, BUT, what do people want to see. If they expect loads of overtaking then I think we will be disappointed, again!
Again, you put the fastest guy first and the slowest last then you aint going to get much are you?
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
True, that. But maybe messrs. Alonso, Massa, Raikkonen and Hamilton can cook up some overtaking manuevers. I'm hoping anyway...
I hope you are true but with the current points system and the reliability of the cars these days it isn't worth trying one up the inside into turn 1 so there is no incentive...
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
This is when I miss Montoya - he was a bit crazy but sometimes I just want to see a driver fling his car into harm's way to make a pass. Processions are simply boring.
Another yawn fest of a grand prix. The only good thing was how Massa showed his total inability as a race driver yet again. There is no doubt he is quick but has no grasp of how to drive a race. The mistake he made at the start was bad, but the two botched overtaking attempts on Hamilton where a joke.
With regard to we used to have a lot of overtaking. Did we? I am not old enough to remember racing in the 70's and 80's but from looking at the videos and talking to people they had some pretty dull races. I think the big difference now is how the tracks have been neutered by designers, that means you Mr Tilke. Take Spa, Suzuka or Silverstone, you get great races there because they are designed for overtaking in many places. The problem is we have too many circuits like Magny-Cours, Hungaro-ring, Barcelona, Kuala Lumpor or Nurburgring they are terrible circuits where there will never be any overtaking because the tracks are poorly designed for modern Formula One cars.
With regard to we used to have a lot of overtaking. Did we? I am not old enough to remember racing in the 70's and 80's but from looking at the videos and talking to people they had some pretty dull races. I think the big difference now is how the tracks have been neutered by designers, that means you Mr Tilke. Take Spa, Suzuka or Silverstone, you get great races there because they are designed for overtaking in many places. The problem is we have too many circuits like Magny-Cours, Hungaro-ring, Barcelona, Kuala Lumpor or Nurburgring they are terrible circuits where there will never be any overtaking because the tracks are poorly designed for modern Formula One cars.
DerChef
macrumors 6502
and excatly how is it the circuits fault we have been racing at Monaco since 1929 !
If you are more interesting in beefing up the show then the obvious area to look at is the dominance of aero vs mechanical grip.
BUT NOTHING will be done about that as the teams and Bernie will want the maximum area of wings and vanes and boards to plaster adverts on
so you are stuck with it I'm afraid.
You could have common tyres , electronics, wing structures, same gear ratios well eventually you might as well watch A1GP 😉
I agree with you totally on the technical side. But we will never see manufacturer teams agreeing to make millions of pounds worth of investment in wind tunnels just to make racing entertaining. The team bosses are not interesting to racing, all they want to do is win. If you alienate the manufacturers by enforcing these rules then they will pull out and that will be detrimental to the sport as a whole.
I can't see too many problems with what we have at the moment, what I would like to see though is improved circuits which at least have an attempt to make the racing better.
Monaco is an exception but I don't mind it too much, as it is a challenge to the teams to run the cars in such an environment.
Yah, stayed up all night to watch it. I fell asleep at 5:30AM. Then I had to go help out with a 8:00 Easter Mass. It wasn't even all that exciting.
Anyways, who is the lead driver at Ferrari?
Anyways, who is the lead driver at Ferrari?
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
So wait a minute....the Ferraris were supposedly faster and had pole and 4th yet both were beaten? What happened? Looks like the McLarens were faster than we thought.
Hamilton seems to be the real deal, he is driving a great car but the guys he's beating aren't chumps.
Hamilton seems to be the real deal, he is driving a great car but the guys he's beating aren't chumps.
DerChef
macrumors 6502
At the start of last season Ron Dennis said his drivers very not getting the best out of the package and he basically accused them of not trying.
At the time everybody said Ron was being a **** as usual and trying to deflect unfair blame from the failings of his team.
I have a feeling the Ronster is now having the last laugh 😀
I think the problem with the Ferrari cars was that Kimi, at least, had to turn the wick down on his engine as it over heated in Australia after a water leak. I would be very surprised if McLaren get a 1-2 in Bahrain when all four drivers have new engines.
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
Good point - Though Raikkonen was pushing pretty hard toward the end according to the race report.
I think Kimi can take the drivers' championship this year, but I bet Alonso gets more help from Hamilton than Kimi will get from Massa...
I think Kimi can take the drivers' championship this year, but I bet Alonso gets more help from Hamilton than Kimi will get from Massa...
Lord Blackadder said:
Hamilton's made two outstanding overtaking moves on the first corners of the first two grand prix.
I just can't fathom his race pace though. It's all over the place.
It's also unbearably cringe worthy watching the race on ITV at the moment.
Button is dead, long live the... that kind of thing, though screeched like an over excited 14 year old girl at her favourite concert by a 40 something man.
Jean Todt has said that this particular precaution cost no more than 1 tenth per lap.
The problem Ferrari had is that neither of it's drivers defended their positions at the start. 🙄
Then one of them slung it off the road trying to overtake, which I suppose is at least making more of an effort than the other one did. 🙄
In the words of MACDRIVE... It's time. . . 😡 😉 😀 😎
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
Maybe I'm glad I couldn't watch the race then...😀
It's funny, Alonso is definitely the second driver for McLaren as far as the UK press are concerned.
iGav said:
Where's the necessary photo of military hardware? 😉
Maybe all that partying has finally caught up the the Iceman.
smueboy
macrumors 6502a
Though we seem to be back to a Ferrari v McLaren competition, i think it is going to be a fairly interesting season with the two teams battling it out. I just hope that some of the other teams get in the mix, such as Renault if they get their act together.
There's too much hype about Hamilton, sure he can drive quite well, though give some credit to a good car. But his post-race interview was a bit painful.
Bring on Bahrain...
There's too much hype about Hamilton, sure he can drive quite well, though give some credit to a good car. But his post-race interview was a bit painful.
Bring on Bahrain...
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
What I can't fathom is... are McLaren already employing team orders? or is Hamilton really that much slower than Alonso? 😱
Maybe it is time for this....
🙄
On the Hamilton note, I just think that we are seeing usual media hype. Yes he has done very well but what do people expect? For anyone that has followed motor sport for more than 2 races will know what a background he had.
I was disappointed with him in the second half of the last race. He was almost a second a lap slower than Alonso on the harder tyre which isn't great by anyones standard. Now if he has a poor quali and starts 12th and finished 3rd then I will be impressed.
🙄
On the Hamilton note, I just think that we are seeing usual media hype. Yes he has done very well but what do people expect? For anyone that has followed motor sport for more than 2 races will know what a background he had.
I was disappointed with him in the second half of the last race. He was almost a second a lap slower than Alonso on the harder tyre which isn't great by anyones standard. Now if he has a poor quali and starts 12th and finished 3rd then I will be impressed.
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
LOL. No more antics like that, unless Sato gets a drive with a frontrunner.
The tifosi are a fickle lot...Kimi is no Michael, but I think he can do the business.
That's what I want to see - we know Alonso can fight through the field, can Hamilton? Hype is fine, as long as you live up to it.
