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Ferrari should start as favorites this season and they will. My predictions, Kimi, Massa and JB. Massa would deffinately have an upper hand over Kimi as he probably knowns the car better and let's just not forget that a couple of races in 06' he was quicker than Schumi .I think McLaren and Renault would need some time with the switch to Bridgestone. I don't see any reason why Ferrari wouldn't start as favorites.
 
New McLaren

McLaren launched their new car today. Looks good! Striking Vodaphone sponsorship.

I like the very agressive angles on the side-pods.

This is a big year for McLaren, they can't afford to fail!

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By far and away the most subtle evolution of last years cars we yet seen this launch season. Strikingly similar to last years MP4/21.

I still think McLaren will miss Newey, Tombazis and Prodromou when it comes to having to develop this car over the course of the season, and that will have a massive affect on their performance during the 2nd half of the season.
 
I agree that McLaren could turn into the next Williams. They start off great but dont develop through the year. Lets hope not.

I hope they have made the car well enough so other teams can't dismantle it! ;)
 
New BMW

The cars are comming thick and fast now.

Today saw the launch of the new BMW:

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Nice looking car, nothing staggering though. I can see them being 5th this year, just behind the Honda Renault battle but just ahead of Toyota. Saying that they will do well at the fast circuits (sorry circuit) Monza where the big BMW will make up for the lack of aero. BMW are going down the route of CAD for aerodynamics rather than building a second wind tunnel like most teams are.

Looking forward to seeing Vettel drive. This kid appears to have slipped into F1 without much fuss and done very well when given the chance. I think they will have a good year if not dramatic. 5th place I predict for BMW.
 
You are right there! The only time you see big changes is when you put the cars side-by-side or look at cars from 3-4 years agom then you can tell the difference.

The big area that I think are seeing changes this year is around the rear end. Teams are making the gearbox and engine more compact so that area above the diffuser is alot smiller, alowing air to flow better over the rear wing and making the more efficient.
 
Man, that Ferrari looks weird without the white wings to balance out the red.

I've read all sorts... everything from a mechanical based system involving the clutch, to the rear weight bias of the R25 and R26 coupled with good low down torque from the Renault engine. One would have thought though, had the solution to their standing start performance being as obvious as that, that other teams would've employed similar solutions on their own cars, considering the current importance of on track position and the difficulty in overtaking on track. That the other teams couldn't... well, is odd.

I recall Ross Brawn saying a few years ago: "We know how they're doing it, and we don't want to make those compromises".
Toyota might want to though ;)



Also, where the **** have you been? I'm surprised you haven't posted in the other F1 thread (unless I'm thinking of a different forum...:confused: )
 
Just found these pics on the internet showing the McLaren MP4/21 (last years car) top and MP4/22 (this years car) bottom:

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Not too much difference is there! Maybe a change to the profile of teh engine cover but thats about it at a glance!

When you look at it a bit closer I suppose you could mention the slits in the rear wing end plates and the elongated chimneys on the side pods...
 
Alonso ....

I dont know or follow F1 as much as I used to 2yrs ago and earlier, and surely not as much as I did with Ayrton & Prost as arch rivals!

This sport needs a solid rivalry - yet not dangerous to themselves or anyone else. It needs great drivers that are willing to put up their skills against one another even if for a while when 1 is a lap down or being lap to give the other a bit of a fit to express when passing. Ah the days of Prost & Ayrton loosing it. Its just like Tennis, we have great stars & players today, but nothing as a rivalry or even close with lovable characters off the court. Remember Agassi & Sampras? Those two loved to get under each others skin - although they greatly respected one another. Sampras seemed to bring out the best of Agassi, and Agassi gave Sampras a challenge (he had his full faculties about when in a match with him). This no longer exists with Tennis or in Formula one. No one dares to bring out the best in one another or challenge outright in public to another's skills.

My vote .... Alonso > He's always tried in vain > even helped Schumacher win a championship (giving up races - team orders) many times back a few years ago. Its just time he get is resolve before retirement. Sure he's not the best around - that I know - but he's a soldier sticking it out till the end.
 
I dont know or follow F1 as much as I used to 2yrs ago and earlier, and surely not as much as I did with Ayrton & Prost as arch rivals!

This sport needs a solid rivalry - yet not dangerous to themselves or anyone else. It needs great drivers that are willing to put up their skills against one another even if for a while when 1 is a lap down or being lap to give the other a bit of a fit to express when passing. Ah the days of Prost & Ayrton loosing it. Its just like Tennis, we have great stars & players today, but nothing as a rivalry or even close with lovable characters off the court. Remember Agassi & Sampras? Those two loved to get under each others skin - although they greatly respected one another. Sampras seemed to bring out the best of Agassi, and Agassi gave Sampras a challenge (he had his full faculties about when in a match with him). This no longer exists with Tennis or in Formula one. No one dares to bring out the best in one another or challenge outright in public to another's skills.

My vote .... Alonso > He's always tried in vain > even helped Schumacher win a championship (giving up races - team orders) many times back a few years ago. Its just time he get is resolve before retirement. Sure he's not the best around - that I know - but he's a soldier sticking it out till the end.

I agree about the rivalry, maybe with Kimi and Alonso but I think the driver you maybe referring to is Rubens Barichello! I dont think Alsono would EVER help Schui win a championship...
 
Why all the Jenson bashing?

I dunno... maybe his complete disloyalty and inability to honour the contracts he signs perhaps??? :p

I have no doubt that Jenson has the capability to win the world drivers championship.

He certainly has the 'capability'... much in the same way that Damon Hill had the 'capability' too I'm afraid.

All he needs is a car to match.

I think he'll need one a little better than that to be honest. :p

No-one in modern Formula One can win the championship without a fast car, it is impossible.

I'd agree with that, but I think it's also possible that there are a certain calibre of driver, that can make up the difference in what can maybe considered not the fastest car.

I've seen nothing to suggest that Button is of that calibre.

If, and when, Honda give him that car, he will win. He is committed, fast, reliable and has the backing of teh whole team.

Which begs the obvious question... why hasn't he won the championship already? or at least more than one race?

The point about the lauch control is a difficult one. What is lauch control?

I can't be arsed to look back at the technical regs, but I believe the idea was to ban any electro/mechanical interference, and that the launch of the car had to be manually carried out by the driver with no traction control assistance either (I can't remember when the T/C was allowed to kick in, though I think it was when the car hit a particular speed), and without the assistance of an 'aid' system like in previous seasons which required nothing more of the driver than release a button on the wheel whilst keeping their foot pinned to the floor.

From what I have worked out Renault initiate a "launch control" technique by pushing the car back on the grid prior to teh formation lap starting. This will then be combined with a launch sequence mapping for the gear box control so that the gearbox and engine work in a set way only for the first shift through the box. This is just a setting on the control system.

That vaguely sounds like one of the suggestions I've read, I also seem to remember reading that during the formation lap start by pushing the car back on the grid, allowed them to change settings relating to the clutch (maybe the diff too) that would act as a primitive (passive) launch control/traction control system as they were anticipating the grips levels for the start, as opposed to reacting to the grips levels like an active launch control system would do.

Either way... it had to be pushing the spirit of the rules at the very least.

They start off great but dont develop through the year. Lets hope not.

I've been getting used to these closer seasons too! ;)

Though you can't lose arguably one of the greatest designers ever and the current greatest aerodynamicist without it affecting the performance of the team.

That said, McLaren have been in a mess for some years... which can be traced back to the whole MP4-17, MP4-17D, MP4-18, MP4-19A and the MP4-19B all within the space of a couple of years of each other.

That... and committing enormous amounts of resources to the likes of Paragon and the 'Communications Centre'. You know what they say about priorities. :p though looks like they're at it again. :rolleyes:

You are right there! The only time you see big changes is when you put the cars side-by-side or look at cars from 3-4 years agom then you can tell the difference.

I think that this approach has become more popular since Ferrari achieved spectacular success at the the turn of the century with evolving their cars each year, working through the problems and deficiencies of a design as opposed to trying to solve problems by starting from the ground up with a fresh design every year.

Though Peter Sauber is suggesting that the Ferrari is unique, and the most changed from the previous years car. Which is an interesting observation, though obviously Ferrari's decision to switch to a no-keel suspension format, and their reluctance to allow photo's of the rear of their car be published hints at potentially innovative solutions.

Counterfit said:
Man, that Ferrari looks weird without the white wings to balance out the red.

I'd have liked to have seen them revert back to their mid-80's to mid 90's red, with black wings. :D

Counterfit said:
I recall Ross Brawn saying a few years ago: "We know how they're doing it, and we don't want to make those compromises".

I remember that, (and I'll have to paraphrase this I'm afraid) but I also remember Pat Symonds responding to how Ross Brawn had suggested the way Renault were doing it and that Ross wasn't correct, and that he was surprised that the other teams hadn't figured it out yet. It was apparently very simple and obvious. Obviously. :p Though I could be wrong on that. I often am. :p

Counterfit said:
Also, where the **** have you been?

A mixtures of things really.

I only really checked back to see if someone had taken up the F1 batten and started a thread for the new F1 season, ably done by R.Youden I should add. Though to be honest I don't really have the time (or the inclination) to participate outside of the F1 threads on here anymore. Sadly.

Though I do really enjoy the banter in these F1 threads... ;) :D
 
Good to see you back iGav!

I'm looking forward to this season, after so many changes we can't help but have surprises in store for us.

R.Youden
and iGav, as an enthusiastic F1 novice, It's great to be able to listen to a couple of old hands. I've become quite the F1 and Premier League fan over the past couple years, and you have no idea how starved for material from either sport I can get, marooned here in the Midwest USA. I can't even have Top Gear right now, and I think I'm going into car-nut withdrawl. :eek:

I started watching F1 regularly amidst the Buttongate nonsense. He seems to be a very skilled driver, but the results are just not there. Bottom line, you must win races in F1 to be considered a top driver; He hasn't. Massa, on the other hand, has already won 2...I see no reason to say he isn't very good at what he does, other than the fact that he isn't winning. Is it circumstance, or is he a stiff?
 
Wow, I like that MP4-22, think it supports the format? It could be the next iPod killer. But enough with the jokes. Are there any specs, wikipedia was very unhelpful.
 
Good to see you back iGav!

Cheers fella. :)

I'm looking forward to this season, after so many changes we can't help but have surprises in store for us.

It's got the makings of a really good one hasn't it... :D with a dash of the unknown too considering the number of changes we're seeing this year, whether it be because of driver retirements, swapping teams, single tyre manufacturer or customer cars (even though this isn't legal till 2008, though we know that won't stop Honda cheating).

I started watching F1 regularly amidst the Buttongate nonsense.

Which one??? teehee.

He seems to be a very skilled driver, but the results are just not there. Bottom line, you must win races in F1 to be considered a top driver; He hasn't. Massa, on the other hand, has already won 2...I see no reason to say he isn't very good at what he does, other than the fact that he isn't winning. Is it circumstance, or is he a stiff?

I don't think it's circumstance... he's always driven for a top team, 2 of which have won several World Championships between them over the 5 years either side of him having joined F1, so it's not like he's been driving donkeys or anything.

Don't get me wrong, he's a smooth, quick driver, but I think it's pertinent to question whether he has ever really exhibited or demonstrated that he has the other skills that are required to win the World Drivers Championship.

He could obviously fall lucky, and do a Damon Hill and win the championship in a car that is vastly superior to everything else on the grid, but even then, he'd never be considered the best driver, just as Damon never was.
 
And he didn't break it either... :p :p :p

...yet. :eek:

I guess this will give us a chance to see how much Kimi's driving style will effect what is usally the most reliable car out there.

No one will fill Michael's shoes though, so it's unfair to comapre him to Schu too much.
 
It is Kimi's title for the taking.

With the politics at Ferrari I doubt that they will let Massa win. In the same way they really didn't want Irvine to win the Championship in 1999 after Schui broke his leg.

It is a shame as I would love to see two Ferraris battle it out but I fear it is never going to happen.
 
With the politics at Ferrari I doubt that they will let Massa win. In the same way they really didn't want Irvine to win the Championship in 1999 after Schui broke his leg.

I honestly don't see how you can suggest that, considering Massa did win twice last season, and also finished ahead of Schumacher in Malaysia. Ferrari could have executed teamorders to get Massa to let Schumacher past in Sepang, but they didn't... and they could have done a similar thing in Turkey when the safety car screwed Schumacher's strategy. But they didn't.

It's completely overblown that Ferrari don't let their drivers race, as far as I understand it... they start the season equal, with the team only favouring one driver as soon as they're demonstratively quicker, or in a better position in the championship. Unlike McLaren say. ;)

Regarding Irvine, well surely his failure to win the championship was more because Irvine f**ked up in 3 races when he simply wasn't quick enough... Germany (Salo handed him the win), Malaysia (Schumacher drove as slowly as possible and still had to move over twice for Irvine) and Suzuka where again he was another world away from Schumacher in pace, when he had to win.

That said, Häkkinen did a really good job of almost throwing away the title that year too. :p

It is a shame as I would love to see two Ferraris battle it out but I fear it is never going to happen.

You mean... a bit like how Renault and McLaren have been operating recently. heheh.
 
Ferrari where biased towards Schumcher but in fairness he has always clearly been there best driver, and over the course of a season more likely to win a championship for the team.

I think Kimi and Massa start pretty even in the team and it wont be till mid season if at all that you see team play within Ferrari.
 
That's an odd color scheme...where did the orange and white come from?

Orange and white are the colors of ING (a very large Holland-based bank) which is the new title sponsor. I think they should've skipped the yellow and gone with only orange, white and blue. It just looks odd now...
 
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