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[*]General safety. Manufacturers won't push the limit as much and it will add more skill to the drivers, surely this is what people have been calling out for for years?

I see your point, but how is it different to the car/team manufacturers pushing the limit? It is similar to the premise that if all the cars were identical, then we'd really see what the drivers were made of.
 
I pretty much never keep up with any racing league, but because of this thread I have vowed to keep up on Formula 1 this year.

Thanks for that.
 
Red Bull RB3

Red Bull have shown off their new car, the RB3 at Barcelona this morning. Looks a nice car. Mclaren style front nose (now thats a surprise!) and Ferrari style rear view mirrors!

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Apparently the fault with the Honda was a wire coming off the gearbox, opps!
 
Lord :rolleyes:

What with Kimi spending his time spinning and smacking up the F248 and Massa wiping out a F2007... I'm beginning to think... bring back Michael. And quick. :cool:
 
Lord :rolleyes:

What with Kimi spending his time spinning and smacking up the F248 and Massa wiping out a F2007... I'm beginning to think... bring back Michael. And quick. :cool:

I think we may see quite a bit of this in 2007. The new harder Bridgestone will catch out a few drivers. Saying that though I was at Barcelona last year testing and Massa had a HUGE off in turn three so i dont think it is too much of a surprise!
 
Red Bull have shown off their new car, the RB3 at Barcelona this morning. Looks a nice car. Mclaren style front nose (now thats a surprise!) and Ferrari style rear view mirrors!

Were Red Bull running a no keel car last season? I can't recall. :confused:

Smooth looking car from Newey though... shame one of the 4 of them will have DC behind the wheel. :p
 
I think Red Bull ran with a single keel last year:

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I would rather have DC than Webber, it is anything but his own fault. I remember him giving a reason why he crashed. He went on for about 2 minutes and then finally said "I lost control and hit the wall", why didn't he just say that in the first place!
 
I've never understood pre-season testing you know, at least some of it.

I don't get what bolting this years spoiler onto last years car (For example) does for them, but it obviously serves a purpose for the teams/drivers.

We'll see, only time will tell, I for one don't read toooooo far into testing. The real stuff comes on that first Saturday Quali. ;)
 
I've never understood pre-season testing you know, at least some of it.

I don't get what bolting this years spoiler onto last years car (For example) does for them, but it obviously serves a purpose for the teams/drivers.

We'll see, only time will tell, I for one don't read toooooo far into testing. The real stuff comes on that first Saturday Quali. ;)

I agree! The most useful part of pre-season is putting miles on components, gbx, engine, transmission etc... Most of the teams have world class wind tunnels now so they do 90% of aero testing in the wind-tunnels. f course you still have to send the aero to tests before you ship it to a race but aero is no as critical for pre-season.
 
I'm interested to see how Red Bull does this year with two veteran drivers and a 100% Adrian Newey car.

...and 4 cars. ;) :p :p

The drivers are the weak link IMHO... DC has driven a Newey car for all but a couple of years of his career. To put that into perspective Newey cars have won in the last 17 years... numerous (that many, I can't bothered to count 'em) titles, DC never looked like winning the title. Once.

He'd make a great test driver though.
 
From this drawing it looks like Red Bull are running a twin keel. That is a surprise, I thought that most teams run with no keel these days. Who am I to question Newey though!

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Fixed, for now!

When I was at Honda I thought we should have tried to get Newey before he left for Red Bull, I don't it could have worked with Geoff Willis and Newey at the same team. I still think they where wrong to get rid of Geoff Willis but we shall see.
 
From this drawing it looks like Red Bull are running a twin keel. That is a surprise, I thought that most teams run with no keel these days. Who am I to question Newey though!

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I'm not seeing any image... maybe my ISP is suffering the Monday morning blues. :(

I can't imagine a twin keel set up from Newey though, that'd be unusual... I've only seen one photo of the front of the car, from a slightly raised viewpoint, and judging by the angle of the lower wishbones it looked like the classic no keel layout.

I'll wait for my ISP to catch up first though. :p
 
I'm not seeing any image... maybe my ISP is suffering the Monday morning blues. :(

I can't imagine a twin keel set up from Newey though, that'd be unusual... I've only seen one photo of the front of the car, from a slightly raised viewpoint, and judging by the angle of the lower wishbones it looked like the classic no keel layout.

I'll wait for my ISP to catch up first though. :p

Okie doke... scrub that Gav. I've just been reading the technical analysis on Autosport, and it does indeed look like Red Bull are using a twin keel. Hmmmmmmm. Interesting indeed.
 
Frank William's campaign against "customer cars". WTF? I don't agree with the "no customer car" anyway - if they are trying to keep costs down and level the playing field, having customer cars seems a step in that direction.
 
Frank William's campaign against "customer cars". WTF? I don't agree with the "no customer car" anyway - if they are trying to keep costs down and level the playing field, having customer cars seems a step in that direction.

Don't blame him to be honest... customer cars aren't legal for another season, and obviously Williams are going to struggle if 2 of the 3 teams below them start using works Honda's and Newey Red Bulls. :eek:

Also, teams using customer chassis, shouldn't be included in the World Constructors Championship. Only the drivers.

The only way around this as I see it, is to add another championship for teams.

So there would be...

World Drivers Championship = self explanatory
World Constructors Championship = those that design and build their own car
World Team Championship = Everyone.

Good to see Alonso's being a petulant little f**ker in testing again. :rolleyes: :mad:
 
It's true, teams that simply buy a chassis didn't do the work that the constructors do. But Williams needs to talk to Max, not the customer teams. But I guess Max let it happen anyway, so legal action is the way.


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Good to see Alonso's being a petulant little f**ker in testing again.

What's he up to this time? didn't see anything in the news lately.
 
It's true, teams that simply buy a chassis didn't do the work that the constructors do. But Williams needs to talk to Max, not the customer teams. But I guess Max let it happen anyway, so legal action is the way.

It'll go to arbitration come Australia, the FIA are staying out of it until the cars are presented for scrutineering in Oz, but I don't see how either Toro Rosso or Super Aguri can get away with it myself.

What's he up to this time? didn't see anything in the news lately.

He's a dick :rolleyes:

Oh... how I wish he'd raced in Senna's time, Senna would've put him in the wall, and then given him a slap back in the paddock. :D
 
Ha, that was a scumbag move to be sure.

NASCAR still sees a fair number of paddock punch-ups...are the F1 boys a bunch of pansies these days or what? :D
 
Alonso is really an idiot. Why do something like that? He certainly does nothing to win any friends. Hopefully this season Kimi will sort him out whilst Masa sticks one up his inside.
 
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