So, apparently Mclaren are appealing the ruling in an attempt to get Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg DSQ'd - and Hamilton the title. Fred is not happy about it.
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He said he'd be embarrassed if Hamilton won it because of that, and tbh, I'd have to agree.
Kimi
Hamilton lost the title fair and square when Raikkonen won. DSQing Heidfeld and Kubica would not affect the outcome. Kimi was the man, let him enjoy.
Hamilton lost the title fair and square when Raikkonen won. DSQing Heidfeld and Kubica would not affect the outcome. Kimi was the man, let him enjoy.
I also agree with his words, but I doubt his motives. Fred doesn't want to see justice done so much as see Hamilton lose. I am very happy Kimi won, he deserved it, and I don't want to see anything changed.
Though, at least Hamilton beat Fred in the Championship. Still makes me
that does.
Yeah, you can't get around the fact that Alonso was only the third-best driver this season. He's still championship material in terms of skill, but if he wins another drivers' title he'll really have to earn it with Hamilton and Raikkonen around. And he'll have to keep his temper, something he's failed to do thus far.
I expect all three to be contending next season, as Formula One enters what might be a golden age of sorts...
I expect all three to be contending next season, as Formula One enters what might be a golden age of sorts...
But if Freddie isn't in a car that is capable of winning then there will be only 2 plus their team-mates will have half a sniff.
True, though Alonso won his first title in a car that was slower than some of its rivals...though it made up for it in other ways. I'm not up on the Renault's capability this season, though the results indicate it isn't a contender.
BMW are steadily getting better (let's ignore the fuel issue), I can see them challenging a little more next year. It would be nice to see more than two teams battling out at the top.
That's baby sh*t in comparison to what this dude is doing now... he's trying to charm Fred. He must've being watching an entirely different F(**kin')1 season than the one I've been watching.
Fred said:
Only substitute the word worlds for F1
Do you really think they'd dump Kimi if they had the chance to get Alonso? That sounds like a pretty stupid move.
Nope. Montezemolo wanted Kimi.
They'd either bump Massa to another team, or they'd drop him back into the ranks of test driver, which is kind of ironic when you think about it, considering he's been consistently quicker than Kimi for much of the season, and the only reason he wasn't fighting for the championship in Brazil was down to reliability.
I don't know what he's thinking then...it's true that Alonso is very fast, but he has been a cancer for McLaren this year. Kimi certainly won't want him around, and I can't see Alonso playing nice with Kimi any more than he did with Hamilton. Alonso will want to move to a team where he will be treated like the primadonna he is, and the other driver is merely a sidekick - a mobile chicane to hold off the rest of the field while Fred takes the glory.
Spyker (AKA Force India
) is never gonna have enough time this winter to work their way through the queue of drivers wanting a drive for next season. 
You mean if Kimi hadn't retired twice and Massa once for tech trouble? Sure, it would've helped
If we're talking about the same F1 season, as I remember it, Kimi had two tech troubles in Spain (electrical failure) and in Germany (hydraulics failure) and one personal mistake in Monaco qualifying. On the other hand, Massa had one tech trouble in Italy (suspension failure) and two personal mistakes in Canada (where he was disqualified) and Hungary (where he finished out of points).
As far as I can calculate, Kimi had more car problems than Massa (who had more "operator problems" than Kimi).
You mean if Kimi hadn't retired twice and Massa once for tech trouble? Sure, it would've helped
If we're talking about the same F1 season, as I remember it, Kimi had two tech troubles in Spain (electrical failure) and in Germany (hydraulics failure) and one personal mistake in Monaco qualifying. On the other hand, Massa had one tech trouble in Italy (suspension failure) and two personal mistakes in Canada (where he was disqualified) and Hungary (where he finished out of points).
As far as I can calculate, Kimi had more car problems than Massa (who had more "operator problems" than Kimi).
Massa suffered mechanical problems in Australia (engine/gearbox change) and Silverstone (car cutting out on the grid, no he didn't stall it) that resulted in him starting from the pit lane/back of the grid in both instances heavily compromising his ability to score points.
He also experienced tyre problems during the final stint of the European GP, a GP that Räikkönen made an error in when entering the pits, arguably costing him the victory.
In Hungary his qualifying was compromised by the team when they failed to actually fill the car up with fuel for a second run during Q2 resulting in failure to reach Q3.
His strategy was also compromised for the last 3 races in support of Kimi (and rightly so) who was then in the stronger points position.
As I said, had it not being for reliability (mechanical and operational) he'd have still been in the hunt along with the other 3 in Brazil.
Would he have won the WDC? Who knows... all I know is, they were both very evenly matched over the duration of the season.
From what I can remember:
Massa:
Qualifying - Australia - Gearbox
Race - Malaysia - Mistakes
Race - Canada - D/Q
Race - GB - Stalled on Grid
Qualifying - Hungarian- No fuel in car during Q2
Race - Italy - Suspension
Race - Japan - Wrong tyres
Kimi:
Race - Spain - Suspension
Qualifying - Monaco - Accident
Race - European - Hydraulic
Race - Japan - Wrong tyres
So from that Kimi only made one mistake all season (Monaco, probably the worst place to make it) whilst Massa made three mistakes whilst Kimi had 3 car issues and Massa 4 car issues.
Massa:
Qualifying - Australia - Gearbox
Race - Malaysia - Mistakes
Race - Canada - D/Q
Race - GB - Stalled on Grid
Qualifying - Hungarian- No fuel in car during Q2
Race - Italy - Suspension
Race - Japan - Wrong tyres
Kimi:
Race - Spain - Suspension
Qualifying - Monaco - Accident
Race - European - Hydraulic
Race - Japan - Wrong tyres
So from that Kimi only made one mistake all season (Monaco, probably the worst place to make it) whilst Massa made three mistakes whilst Kimi had 3 car issues and Massa 4 car issues.
Massa suffered with a tyre vibration problem in the European GP, which accounted for his drop off in performance after the last stop, which was not caused by the rain as some in the media erroneously reported at the time.
The car stalling on the grid at Silverstone cannot be attributed to him, there was a fault with the start systems on the car.
Räikkönen made an error in the European GP on entering the pit lane that dropped him from the lead down to 7th, though of course as rightly pointed out he suffered a mechanical failure in that race.
He also made a blinding error in qualifying for the Italian GP.
Anyway, the point of my original post wasn't to degenerate Räikkönen or his validity as champion, it was merely to suggest that it was a shame that Massa (because of circumstances outside of his control) wasn't able to fight for the championship in Brazil, or indeed for the last 3 races of the season. Which was a shame considering his pace all season.
In other news...
Engine development frozen for ten years.
&
Night race and 2008 calendar confirmed.
On the former... I'm not sure what this means for the introduction of energy recovery systems and more environmentally friendly tech. Either way I don't much like the sound of being stuck with sub 800bhp F1 cars for another 11 years.
On the latter... I'm disappointed that Imola hasn't made a return, I looked forward to seeing F1 cars on the new layout, which now features a straight run from to Rivazza all the way down to Traguardo/Tamburello.
Engine development frozen for ten years.
&
Night race and 2008 calendar confirmed.
On the former... I'm not sure what this means for the introduction of energy recovery systems and more environmentally friendly tech. Either way I don't much like the sound of being stuck with sub 800bhp F1 cars for another 11 years.
On the latter... I'm disappointed that Imola hasn't made a return, I looked forward to seeing F1 cars on the new layout, which now features a straight run from to Rivazza all the way down to Traguardo/Tamburello.
F1 is not EU-series anymore. It used to only have few distance races but now it seems BE wants to distribute races evenly to every continent.
I've always liked to watch Australian, Brazilian, Canadian and Japanese races. I'm not so sure if I want to watch Bahrain, Malaysia, Shanghai and whatever BE might have in mind.
If I could make the rules, they would only count best 10-12 races for each driver, depending on how many races there is in the series. It might reflect my age, but I liked the championship battle in the 80's and therefore I would want those rules back.
Like that would ever happen...
I've always liked to watch Australian, Brazilian, Canadian and Japanese races. I'm not so sure if I want to watch Bahrain, Malaysia, Shanghai and whatever BE might have in mind.
If I could make the rules, they would only count best 10-12 races for each driver, depending on how many races there is in the series. It might reflect my age, but I liked the championship battle in the 80's and therefore I would want those rules back.
Like that would ever happen...