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2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
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In his own post of his table:
"This seems wrong somehow but this is what I am coming up with:"
Thanks For That Chart Topper
So I guess January isn't out of the question after all with 10.5.2. Should get a small bump on the Quad G5 with Leopard on board to tide me over.
This chart makes me want to buy a pair of 3GHz Harpertowns in a Stoakley-Seaburg logic board next. I didn't think I'd wait that long. But if Harpertowns really ship this Fall in quantity, might as well wait a bit longer for Apple to offer them in a Stoakley platform by early next year. I like the lower TDP and the 50% larger cache. Can't see Apple offering anything new this year beyond November.I put together a table that I think is interesting especially take a look at the prices.
The 3.16GHz Harpertown will be the same price as the quad-core 3.00GHz Clovertown that is currently in the Mac Pro.
The 3.00GHz Harpertown will be the same price as the 3.00GHz Woodcrest that is currently in the Mac Pro.
It appears that the next generation Mac Pro may be all quad-core Harpertown. And Apple can keep selling the Mac Pro for the same prices.
Note also that the Harpertowns' TDP is smaller than that of comparable Covertown and Woodcrest processors.
So I guess January isn't out of the question after all with 10.5.2. Should get a small bump on the Quad G5 with Leopard on board to tide me over.
How on earth did you infer that he was refering to the FSB from that?
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http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Leaks+45nm+Xeon+Clock+Frequencies/article8065.htm
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5116
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6120470-7.html
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Pulls+45nm+Xeon+Launch+Into+2007/article6185.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Pulls+45nm+Xeon+Launch+Into+2007/article6185.htm
"Skaugen also confirmed that Penryn-based Xeon processors will utilize the same server platform as Xeon 5000, 5100 and 5300. Nehalem, Intel's next-generation micro architecture on the 45nm node slated for 2008, will require new platform technology and is not compatible with the Penryn platform."
EDIT: I was beat!
EDIT 2: Multimedia i will be on a Dual 500 g4!!! Your g5 will be fine for now!
Hahaha. Thanks for proving my initial comments that waiting is not worth it. If the new harpertown chips still have the same bus speed then what is the point. You are all waiting for a 160mhz speed bump. LOL.
You know when they new mac pros do come out, you will all gloat how you have a faster computer for the same price. But what you don't realize is we mac pro owners have been enjoying our computers for over a year now and you all have spent that time crying and whining about the faster one while working on G4s. Also, when they do come out most of us early adopters will simply sell our systems on ebay and upgrade anyway with minimal out of pocket expense. So you see in the end you lose. Its not healthy to whine and cry about anything. Ya'll are going to get stress wrinkles and gray hair.
Besides, who cares if it is pin compatible with the mac pro? Are you really going to open up a $4k computer and rip out the cpu and put in $1500 worth of new cpu? Good luck.
You know when they new mac pros do come out, you will all gloat how you have a faster computer for the same price. But what you don't realize is we mac pro owners have been enjoying our computers for over a year now and you all have spent that time crying and whining about the faster one while working on G4s. Also, when they do come out most of us early adopters will simply sell our systems on ebay and upgrade anyway with minimal out of pocket expense. So you see in the end you lose. Its not healthy to whine and cry about anything. Ya'll are going to get stress wrinkles and gray hair.
Besides, who cares if it is pin compatible with the mac pro? Are you really going to open up a $4k computer and rip out the cpu and put in $1500 worth of new cpu? Good luck.
Hahaha. Thanks for proving my initial comments that waiting is not worth it. If the new harpertown chips still have the same bus speed then what is the point. You are all waiting for a 160mhz speed bump. LOL.
You know when they new mac pros do come out, you will all gloat how you have a faster computer for the same price. But what you don't realize is we mac pro owners have been enjoying our computers for over a year now and you all have spent that time crying and whining about the faster one while working on G4s. Also, when they do come out most of us early adopters will simply sell our systems on ebay and upgrade anyway with minimal out of pocket expense. So you see in the end you lose. Its not healthy to whine and cry about anything. Ya'll are going to get stress wrinkles and gray hair.
Besides, who cares if it is pin compatible with the mac pro? Are you really going to open up a $4k computer and rip out the cpu and put in $1500 worth of new cpu? Good luck.
I won't gloat, I will just use mine. But of course you will gloat (and have already) that you have been using yours all this time. So who really has the issues?
But whatever makes you happy. Think what you like. I am losing with my G4. Too bad.
Hahaha. Thanks for proving my initial comments that waiting is not worth it. If the new harpertown chips still have the same bus speed then what is the point. You are all waiting for a 160mhz speed bump. LOL.
You know when they new mac pros do come out, you will all gloat how you have a faster computer for the same price. But what you don't realize is we mac pro owners have been enjoying our computers for over a year now and you all have spent that time crying and whining about the faster one while working on G4s. Also, when they do come out most of us early adopters will simply sell our systems on ebay and upgrade anyway with minimal out of pocket expense. So you see in the end you lose. Its not healthy to whine and cry about anything. Ya'll are going to get stress wrinkles and gray hair.
Besides, who cares if it is pin compatible with the mac pro? Are you really going to open up a $4k computer and rip out the cpu and put in $1500 worth of new cpu? Good luck.
I'd be interested if you could show me one single post on this forum where someone has claimed that they are waiting because they want faster processors. Every post I have seen is either because they wanted 8 cores or DX10 GPUs, and while those started out as just things people wanted to move from windows or G5s, they turned in to things needed to make it worth investing alot in such a machine (Suneohair has had to explain this time and time again on here as people seem to still fail to grasp it). Not once have I seen someone claim anything like they were waiting until Harpertown was comming so they could get a faster processor.
And yes some people will take out the processors, infact someone on here took out their 2.66Ghz Woodcrests and put in clovertowns when they came out. Nevermind that the person who enquired in this thread may have been looking at going from a 2Ghz quad, he might have owned for a year, to 8x2.33Ghz for $600, less what he could sell the woodcrests for. You seem to read one little part of what someone says and create some thing completely different in your mind then post it as fact. Over and over.
It's getting quite old to be honest. I'm still waiting for better video cards as well.
Heres an idea, maybe that the upgrade isn't worth it right now? Every reason you might have thought about purchasing the 8 core MP is probably a lot of the same reasons many people around here are waiting for an update. Just like your MP fits your needs for now at the moment, everyone else can hold onto their G5 and use it until the time comes to make a purchase they feel worth it.
You are welcome.
I put it together from various resources. Hopefully it is correct.
Okay exactly. Back to my point.
If I go out and buy a Mac Pro quad at 2GHz and then when the chips start shipping in bulk, and the price cuts hit home... I can upgrade and put a pair of quad, 2.33GHz chips in there for around $600. That doesn't sound too shabby to me.
I want an apple with blu-ray, I want an eight-core, and I want a new video card.. if those are all upgrade options doen the road... why am I waiting right now?
I have a dual powermac G5 with a nice chunk of ram that works just fine for me and what I do.
I find the idea of being capable of running windows and windows software appealing though. There are a couple of apps that just don't have a mac equivalent. I don't want them enough to upgrade to a mac pro for though.
I also like to game in my free time and I find the idea of being able to dual boot and play windows games very appealing. But the under clocked X1900 that comes with the mac pro is not *quite* compelling enough to entice me to upgrade.
Hmm, what could do it? What could compel me to ditch this perfectly good machine and drop a few grand on a new system....hmmmm, oh I know: A DX10 card. A nice one, one that's not 1/2 thru it's "premium" cycle and would require an upgrade in 6-12mths to play current games.
I also find the fact that they under clock the x1900 as an indication of an engineering flaw in the current mac pros.
And I also have a rule:
I never buy Rev. 1 hardware from Apple or anyone. As a long time hardware purchaser and personal enthusiast doing so is just aching to be some companies free beta tester. (apple included)
Video Card upgrade: 500'sh (maybe 400'sh...we're talking about mac cards, so you have to tack an additional 100+ onto the price)
CPU upgrade: 600'sh
Blue Ray: ?? but probably pricey at first.
So if your system is "good enough" right now, mine as well wait. Upgrading tacks another 1200+ onto the cost of the machine...and upgrades for, say, video is long over due. Thus you'd need an upgrade yesterday after purchasing your machine to keep up with games being release with DX10 in mind (by xmas).
Upgrading macs are expensive, for the same 1200 you could just sell your mac and buy a new one plus have some left over.
I talked with suneohair about flashing new Mac Pro video cards when they come out. The only issue with upgrading later is having the original parts hanging around. And your warranty for the processors...cr2sh said:
FWIW, they do the same thing to the ATI card in the MacBooks. It's all about the heat and keeping the machine quiet. The same thing applies to the Mac Pros. You crank the speed of the card up, and the fans kick in to help dissipate the heat. Then you have a slightly louder Mac, and Apple gets to listen to you complain.
I'd hold off on calling it an "engineering flaw" in the Mac Pros until you learn a little about the intense heat loads you're talking about here... ;-)
jas
As the linked thread points out, the mac pro has more then one issue with heating concerns. The under clocking of the vid card is just one way they tried to compensate.
The intentional crippling of components in order to achieve lower fan speeds (and consequently lower noise levels) is only done if the engineering hurdle of providing sufficient cooling cannot be met.
-) "Hey, Tom. Have the boys in engineering figured out how to cool those damned machines without sounding like a wind tunnel?"
-tom) "Sorry, but they just can't seem to get it done"
-) "Aw hell, just start underclocking until it stops over heating"
-Engineering Failure
Well, I'd play around with some PCs if I were you. Any recent ATI and/or nVidia card has its own fan and massive heat sink attached. And the cards, alone, will drown out any reasonable conversation you're trying to have. I have direct experience with this with nVidia's 7800 series cards. They're horrendously loud (but mine are liquid cooled now).
Call it what you want. It's not an engineering failure. It's called a TRADE OFF. When you become an engineer, you can learn about those. ;-)
jas
funny you mention learning about engineering
If you like, I suppose it could be called an engineering failure requiring an engineering trade off.
You only make trade offs when you fail to find a solution which provides two desirable outcomes.
Historically, ATI Mac Edition cards have always been clocked lower than their PC counterparts.
ATI explained the reasoning behind this disparity as having to do with basic supply and demand.
The demand for Mac video cards is lower than their PC counterparts, so ATI runs them at
lower clock speeds to maintain their desired profit per card.
Couldn't even afford a full gig?
Put some memory in it - you'll be surprised how much faster it is with even 2 GiB !!
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