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2007 NFL Season

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majordude said:
A few months ago Paul Tagliabue left his position as NFL commissioner as a hero. Now we can all see how he was a master at stuffing stuff into a closet.

Goodell was handed the keys, looked around the office and saw that it was good. He walked over to the closet to hang up his jacket and all hell broke loose. :(
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True..Gooddell needs to be careful how far he digs on this one..Potential for a major Pandora's box..

"It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."


Anyways,bring on week 2 PLEASE...
 
majordude said:
A few months ago Paul Tagliabue left his position as NFL commissioner as a hero. Now we can all see how he was a master at stuffing stuff into a closet.

Goodell was handed the keys, looked around the office and saw that it was good. He walked over to the closet to hang up his jacket and all hell broke loose. :(
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i've been wondering why all of this bad stuff just pops out as roger goodell becomes commissioner. perhaps tagliabue was hiding stuff or the teams thought that goodell was going to be an easy commissioner as well.

and here's a little song about Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat.
 
Stealing signals. Guess it's in the how it's done, and which game is being played. Why does a catcher in baseball stick his mit down to hide signals? What does a runner on second do to help his teammate at bat? Guess I'm not as shocked as others that stealing signals is such a deplorable act in sports.
 
jelloshotsrule said:
so. why would they videotape it if they didn't think it helped? to show their kids in a few years? ;)
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I haven't the faintest idea.

Frankly with some of the talent pool the Pats have had over the years I don't understand at all why they needed to cheat. I guess it was for the extra edge.

The Packers are lucky to beat the local powder-puff team.
 
majordude said:
A few months ago Paul Tagliabue left his position as NFL commissioner as a hero.
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Gooddell took over Sept 1,2006.This is his second full season as commish. Before that he was Tagliabue's right hand man as COO since 2001. If anything was being hidden or swept under the carpet,I'd be surprised if Gooddell didn't know about it..
 
xsedrinam said:
Stealing signals. Guess it's in the how it's done, and which game is being played. Why does a catcher in baseball stick his mit down to hide signals? What does a runner on second do to help his teammate at bat? Guess I'm not as shocked as others that stealing signals is such a deplorable act in sports.
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Neither am I..And guess what?It'll happen again this weekend in the NFL.And the next and the next..We'll see if anybody gets caught..
 
fotografica said:
If anything was being hidden or swept under the carpet,I'd be surprised if Gooddell didn't know about it..
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You're not going to last long in any position if you call out your boss.

I don't have actual numbers but it seems to me that Goodell has fined, suspended and booted more players, coaches and owners in the past year than Tag did in the previous ten.
 
majordude said:
You're not going to last long in any position if you call out your boss.

I don't have actual numbers but it seems to me that Goodell has fined, suspended and booted more players, coaches and owners in the past year than Tag did in the previous ten.
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I know that.My point is that I'm sure Gooddell knew whatever was going on,in the inner sanctum so to speak.I wouldn't expect him to call him out.Esp when he's in line for Tagliabue's position ;)
 
fotografica said:
My point is that I'm sure Gooddell knew whatever was going on,in the inner sanctum so to speak.
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That makes sense.

Personally, I appreciate Goodell coming in and cleaning up the joint. The NFL is like college football in the 80's or 90's... I seem to recall a lot of teams doing shady things back then and getting suspended by the NCAA from bowl games. Now the colleges seem to be toeing the line after they saw the heads of their cohorts on spears at the edge of town.
 
majordude said:
That makes sense.

Personally, I appreciate Goodell coming in and cleaning up the joint. The NFL is like college football in the 80's or 90's... I seem to recall a lot of teams doing shady things back then and getting suspended by the NCAA from bowl games. Now the colleges seem to be toeing the line after they saw the heads of their cohorts on spears at the edge of town.
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Gooddell has done some a** kicking in his first year.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_player_conduct_controversy These league commisioners (particularly the NFL and MLB) have to walk the line with the player's unions as well. The unions,I'm sure,play a factor in any rule's changes or new policies the commsioners want to institute. All ole Roger would need now,is a corrupt referee's scandal :p
 

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xsedrinam said:
Stealing signals. Guess it's in the how it's done, and which game is being played. Why does a catcher in baseball stick his mit down to hide signals? What does a runner on second do to help his teammate at bat? Guess I'm not as shocked as others that stealing signals is such a deplorable act in sports.
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The difference would be if there was a coach in the bleachers with binoculars feeding signs to the bench. If the second baseman uses the signs just for his own good on the field he is using it to get an advantage on the pitcher. What the Pats did was get an advantage down the road by studying the photos.
 
MacNut said:
Game footage is not the same thing as stealing the playbook.
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Pre and post snap Polaroids,which each teams gets,are the playbook...Keep hating the Sox and Pats as much as you want guy.If you wanna debate the semantics of signal stealing,we'll do it in another thread.Here's a news flash for you....Signals will be stolen this weekend in the NFL...And the next and so on..We'll see if anybody gets caught.I love this quote:
"It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."
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If it were the Cleveland Browns,it wouldn't have even been an issue,let alone the runaway story it became. Signal stealing is nothing new in the NFL,or sports for that matter.I guess how you do it that matters. These talking heads keep going on and on about Sunday.Two key points that they don't bring up:
1.The taping wasn't fed live,to a coach upstairs,or anybody in the Patriot's organization for that matter
2.The tape was seized on the sidelines BEFORE anybody on the Pat's coaching staff saw it.
Could somebody please provide a logical explanation how the tape helped give the Pats an edge in Sunday's game given the tape never made to their hands?
Or could it be that the Pats simply outplayed and outcoached the Jets? ;)

Nice try....
 
So why do they need that guy to be taking pictures in the first place then, it must give them some kind of edge to go against warnings from the NFL in the past.

They said that the time it would take to turn around the pictures would not help them in the game but was used for games down the road.

The rule does not say that you can not get an edge against another team just that you can't use a recording device to do it, that is the rule the pats broke.
 
fotografica said:
1.The taping wasn't fed live,to a coach upstairs,or anybody in the Patriot's organization for that matter
2.The tape was seized on the sidelines BEFORE anybody on the Pat's coaching staff saw it.
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And they wouldn't have seen the tape until after the game anyways. If you read Belichick's statement and his interpretation of the rules, he thought that you were allowed to use video cameras so long as you didn't use them to gain an advantage in the current game.

MacNut said:
They said that the time it would take to turn around the pictures would not help them in the game but was used for games down the road.

The rule does not say that you can not get an edge against another team just that you can't use a recording device to do it, that is the rule the pats broke.
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exactly. They broke the rule about videotaping. Nothing they did gave them an advantage during current games. Now they're going to serve their punishment for breaking this rule and move on.

Now to quote Belichick from Wednesday's press conference, "Anybody want to talk about the football game this Sunday?"

majordude said:
He wouldn't dare. Ed Hochuli would kick his ass. ;)
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Ed Hochuli is the man. He's like the only NFL ref that doesn't suck.
 
MacNut said:
The rule does not say that you can not get an edge against another team just that you can't use a recording device to do it, that is the rule the pats broke.
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Pretty simple, really and yet people don't get it?

To hell with evolution. We have devolution. Where once we could build pyramids, build towers of rock and magnificent hanging gardens, now we can't use turn signals at lights, convict OJ or figure out the difference between using a recording device or not.
 
zioxide said:
If you read Belichick's statement and his interpretation of the rules, he thought that you were allowed to use video cameras so long as you didn't use them to gain an advantage in the current game.
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Bellichick is much smarter then that. He knew what he was doing.
 
MacNut said:
The rule does not say that you can not get an edge against another team just that you can't use a recording device to do it, that is the rule the pats broke.
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So if the Defensive Coordinator or Coach has a photographic memory, that would be illegal? :D The rule needs changing. Time to move on though, now that everyone with anti-Belichickitis has had the chance to pile on and strain at gnats while swallowing camels.

Now to quote Belichick from Wednesday's press conference, "Anybody want to talk about the football game this Sunday?"
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