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Did LSU "deserve" it last year?

Yeah, I too was in the camp where I didn't think they deserved their spot, but there really wasn't another good candidate for a spot in the title game. Last year's season was nuts.

But they definitely took advantage of getting in the big game that's for sure.
 
Oh c'mon, we lost one fluke game and have the best defense in the country

I have to go with Badandy here.

Look at Florida; they lost in The Swamp to an umranked team, but everyone is clamboring (myself included) that they will represent the SEC in the Title Game. So how is USC any different? At least they lost to an eventual ranked team, and they were on the road.

Of course I still think USC is headed for the Rose Bowl and I'm gonna stick to my guns and say Texas will meet Florida in Miami.
 
its not like the MWC is weak. you could make a case for it being tougher than the Big 10 this year

And we could make a case that says Utah is better than USC, but it doesn't mean it's true.

But all that nonsense aside, I didn't say anything about the strength of the conference. I simply expressed my opinion that there is no way the voters will put a non-BCS team in the Final.

I don't want this to turn in to a pissing match about conferences, but I just can't get behind all this "MWC deserves an automatic bid!" nonsense.

The MWC is having a stellar year, and there is no doubt that the conference is likely tougher than the ACC or Big East, but this is only one year. If the conference has teams in the top 15 every year consistently then I think you will get more attention.

Air Force should still be strong next year, but what about Utah/BYU/TCU? They will all be losing some huge players at key positions. Are there players of the same caliber available to fill those roles?

I'm honestly curious because I would love to see the MWC get some more respect (and a real TV contract..heh).
 
I'd say it would be USC regardless of whether or not they won their conference.

And you would probably be right... it is just hypocritical to hold out the Dawgs last year, arguably the hottest team in football, because of the "didn't win the conference" arguement, but then put USC in this year.

I think USC should play in this scenario... but I think the Dawgs should have played last year too. No way LSU was the better team... AND they committed the cardinal sin of losing late in the year... last game to Arkansas. But I digress... we had our chances this year.

Which brings up another point... it is all about perspective and expectations...

Last year the Dawgs finished 11-2
Considered a GREAT year... #2 in the polls and propelled us to #1 in the preseason polls
Yet we lost (bad) to Tennessee and to South Carolina (who melted down)

This year the Dawgs will likely finish 11-2 (win over Tech and the Bowl)
But it is considered a huge disappointment and we will likely be no better than #9 or 10
Yet we lost to Alabama (currently undefeated and #1) and Florida, (a 1 loss team that is ranked #4 and will probably win the NC)

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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And you would probably be right... it is just hypocritical to hold out the Dawgs last year, arguably the hottest team in football, because of the "didn't win the conference" arguement, but then put USC in this year.

I think USC should play in this scenario... but I think the Dawgs should have played last year too. No way LSU was the better team... AND they committed the cardinal sin of losing late in the year... last game to Arkansas. But I digress... we had our chances this year.

Which brings up another point... it is all about perspective and expectations...

Last year the Dawgs finished 11-2
Considered a GREAT year... #2 in the polls and propelled us to #1 in the preseason polls
Yet we lost (bad) to Tennessee and to South Carolina (who melted down)

This year the Dawgs will likely finish 11-2 (win over Tech and the Bowl)
But it is considered a huge disappointment and we will likely be no better than #9 or 10
Yet we lost to Alabama (currently undefeated and #1) and Florida, (a 1 loss team that is ranked #4 and will probably win the NC)

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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This is why polls are a farce. Coming from an OU fan, how the hell is Florida ahead of Texas in polls. Texas lost on the last play of game to the current #2 BCS team (#1 in computer rankings) on the road. Florida lost at home to an unranked team. The previous 2 weeks had OU on top of Texas in the human polls, yet both teams have one loss and Texas won head to head. Now, the Sooners don't play a week and they switch spots?

Polls are so inconsistent and are flawed for one major reason (besides the human element). Polls start prior to the season, but why? Teams should at least complete their non-conference schedules, or maybe the first 4-5 games before polls are released. The problem is that people get way too much credit for a win against a certain team early in the year just because that team was highly ranked in the preseason polls. It can be hard to move up if you are not included in the original top 25 also. Let's look at the preseason polls at the beginning of the year and where they are at now.

Coach's Top 25 (current BCS rankings in bold)
1. Georgia (22) (11)
2. USC (12) (6)
3. Ohio State (21) (10)
4. Oklahoma (4) (5)
5. Florida (6) (4)
6. Missouri (13)
7. LSU (18)
8. West Virginia (NR)
9. Clemson (Wow, just wow)
10. Texas (3)
11. Auburn (Not even)
12. Wisconsin (Nope)
13. Kansas (NR)
14. Texas Tech (2)
15. Virginia Tech (NR)
16. Arizona State (NR)
17. Brigham Young (14)
18. Tennessee (Ha Ha)
19. Illinois (NR)
20. Oregon (24)
21. South Florida (NR)
22. Penn State (8)
23. Wake Forest (NR)
24. Michigan (Most losses ever in Michigan history)
25. Fresno State (NR)

So only 12 of the original top 25 are in the current BCS top 25. Only 5 of those pegged to be in the top 10 are there now. The current #1 team wasn't ranked. 2 top 10 teams aren't even ranked now. Just wow. Yet, how many of the current rankings are due to those initial, badly guessed rankings? This is exactly why preseason polls must go.
 
This is why polls are a farce. Coming from an OU fan, how the hell is Florida ahead of Texas in polls. Texas lost on the last play of game to the current #2 BCS team (#1 in computer rankings) on the road. Florida lost at home to an unranked team. The previous 2 weeks had OU on top of Texas in the human polls, yet both teams have one loss and Texas won head to head. Now, the Sooners don't play a week and they switch spots?

Polls are so inconsistent and are flawed for one major reason (besides the human element). Polls start prior to the season, but why? Teams should at least complete their non-conference schedules, or maybe the first 4-5 games before polls are released. The problem is that people get way too much credit for a win against a certain team early in the year just because that team was highly ranked in the preseason polls. It can be hard to move up if you are not included in the original top 25 also. Let's look at the preseason polls at the beginning of the year and where they are at now.

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So only 12 of the original top 25 are in the current BCS top 25. Only 5 of those pegged to be in the top 10 are there now. The current #1 team wasn't ranked. 2 top 10 teams aren't even ranked now. Just wow. Yet, how many of the current rankings are due to those initial, badly guessed rankings? This is exactly why preseason polls must go.

Thanks for the list gibbz. That's pretty interesting once you look at it in hindsight. The way I see it, if you aren't going to have a decent playoff, then we shouldn't even declare a national champion at all. I mean, this year and last year have proved the system is really WAC ;)

P-Worm
 
Yeah, thanks gibbz. It's always fun to look at stuff like that.

This is why I don't think there should be ANY polls released until at least week eight, just like the BCS. There is just too much shuffling about in the first eight weeks while teams find out who they're going to be.

I mean, this year and last year have proved the system is really WAC ;)

Ha ha! Very nice.

I'm actually torn between honestly wanting a playoff system or wanting to keep things the way they are. If we had a playoff it would likely be an eight-team playoff, which means the non-BCS schools would have to get up to #8 to even have a chance, and then they would likely be paired with the #1 team.

That formula would really make it difficult for any smaller school to crack in like we have been able to. In no way, shape or form do I feel Boise State is the top team in the country, nor were they in '06, but they still deserve a shot at a BCS Bowl to help further build the program with recruiting and the financial boost.

So right now I would rather keep things the way they are, but it would be nice if there weren't so many disasters like last year's LSU.

Question:

I don't follow college basketball at all, so I'm curious how the teams are selected for the playoffs. Are there conference rules like the BCS has (no more than two teams per conference..etc..)?
 
I don't follow college basketball at all, so I'm curious how the teams are selected for the playoffs. Are there conference rules like the BCS has (no more than two teams per conference..etc..)?

oh boy thats another controversy but not near as bad. you have alot of schools on the bubble and its always a discussion how some teams got robbed by not getting selected or by how they were seeded

Joe Lunardi does predicted brackets all year long
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

pretty much every conference champion is guranteed into the tournament but the seed is determined by selection commitee
A total of 64 teams qualify for the tournament played in March and April. Thirty of the teams earn automatic bids by winning their respective conference tournaments. Because the Ivy League does not conduct a post-season tournament, the regular-season conference champion receives an automatic bid. The remaining teams are granted "at-large" bids, which are extended by the NCAA Selection Committee.

The tournament is split into four regions, and each region has teams seeded 1-16, with the committee making every region as comparable to the others as possible. The best team in each region plays the #16 team, the #2 team plays the #15, and so on.

Since 2003, the tournament has used the so-called "pod" system, in which the eight first- and second-round sites are distributed around the four regionals. (In 2003 and 2004, there were 16 sites. The sixteen sites will be restored as of 2009.) These sites are chosen in advance and are generally locations where there is significant interest in women's college basketball. Arenas are generally on college campuses, in contrast to the large professional sports arenas often used in the men's tournament.

Before the 2003 tournament, the top four teams in each region would host their quarter of the bracket at their home arena. The women's sites, though chosen in advance, are not necessarily neutral; the women's tournament committee deliberately places host teams on their home floors when possible, even if their seeds are low. For instance, in 2006, 10th-seeded Old Dominion University played on its home court, and in 2004, 11th-seeded UC Santa Barbara and Temple and 12th-seeded Montana and New Mexico played on their home court despite being the low seed. (It should be noted that the home court advantage for the lower seeded teams only worked for UCSB, as the other four teams lost in the first round.) This practice mirrors earlier years of the men's tournament. Once the event gained enough popularity, the practice of playing on one's home court was abandoned. The move to eight sites instead of 16 is designed to reduce the number of teams playing on their home court, and make it easier to televise the tournament.

In the pod system, each of the eight first- and second-round sites has two "pods", where a pod is a group of four teams who play each other. A host site's pods may be from different regions, and thus the winners of each pod would advance into separate regional tournaments. The possible pods by seeding are:

* 1v16, 8v9
* 2v15, 7v10
* 3v14, 6v11
* 4v13, 5v12

The first- and second-round games are played on the first weekend of the tournament, either on Saturday and Monday or Sunday and Tuesday. The teams which are still alive after the first weekend advance to the regional semi-finals (the Sweet Sixteen) and finals (the Elite Eight) played on the second weekend of the tournament (again, the games are split into Saturday/Monday and Sunday/Tuesday). Weekends are chosen so as to minimize conflict with both the men's tournament going on at the same time and with academic obligations during the rest of the week.

The winners of each region advance to the Final Four, where the national semifinals are played on Sunday and the national championship is played on Tuesday. Before the 2004 tournament, the pairings for the semifinals were based on an annual rotation. Since 2004 and the institution of the pod system, the pairings are determined by the ranking of the four top seeds against each other.

The brackets are not reseeded after each round. The tournament is single-elimination and there are no consolation games. The single-elimination format produces opportunities for Cinderella teams to advance despite playing much tougher teams. Upsets happen in the women's tournament much like in the men's tournament. For example, the only #16 seed to beat a #1 seed occurred in the women's tournament in 1998, when Harvard defeated Stanford 71-67 at Stanford. (Stanford's team had two starters unable to play because of torn ACLs [1].) That feat has never occurred in the men's tournament. Still, the women's tournament is characterized by fewer upsets than in the men's tournament. No 14th- or 15th-seeded team has ever advanced to the second round, which has occurred in the men's tournament 18 times (or 11% of the time). The 13th seed has won its first round game 8% of the time, compared to 22% of the time in the men's tournament.

In 2005, three #1 seeds and one #2 seed advanced to the Final Four. The #2-seeded team, Baylor, won the tournament. The three #1's and a #2 combination also occurred in the 1996, 2002, 2003, and 2006 tournaments, and in 1989 all four #1's comprised the Final Four. Three #1 seeds and a #2 have only occurred once (in 1993) in the men's tournament, and an all #1 Final Four occurred for the first time in 2008. At times, however, there have been lower seeded teams advance to the women's Final Four, such as in 2004 when teams seeded #1, #2, #4, and #7 made the Final Four.

back to football though

i think i posted this but i forget. anyways i think a good compromise would be to use the bcs as we have it today to seed the top 6 teams for a playoff. have the 1 and 2 teams have a bye for first game

the reason i say 6 is so the bcs can use the same bcs bowls (5 of them)

so have say the 4 bcs bowls be of the following (the would rotate like they do now for both the round games as well as championship game)

Round one
6 vs 3: Rose
5 vs 4: Fiesta

Round 2
1 vs Fiesta champion aka 5vs4 game: Sugar
2 vs Rose champion aka 6vs3 game: Orange

Championship
the finalists of the round 2 games

i think that is a fair compromise with current system as really, 6 teams MAX have a legitiate claim to being the best team. usually far less most years

i dunno thats my opinion at least lol
 
Huge showdown for my Jackets tonight against Miami. A win will ensure a tie for the lead on our side of the division but would still require three more teams to lose a single game (due to the tie breaker rules) to make it to the ACC championship game.

Over 100 recruits are set to be in the stands so a win is crucial. Commits came through the floodgates after the FSU win, so we need this one over Miami.
 
Huge showdown for my Jackets tonight against Miami. A win will ensure a tie for the lead on our side of the division but would still require three more teams to lose a single game (due to the tie breaker rules) to make it to the ACC championship game.

Over 100 recruits are set to be in the stands so a win is crucial. Commits came through the floodgates after the FSU win, so we need this one over Miami.

According to the paper and local sports talk... the fans are not embracing the "white out". Also, the speculation is that the stands will not be close to being filled. Not the best response from the Tech faithful to encourage the recruits. A win would go a long way, but building the environment will help too.

Good luck tonight! I wish you guys well. I know it is a big game for you.

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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My Yellow Jackets put it on Miami tonight. We put up 472 rushing yards which is huge considering our main back went out at half time. Was an all around slaughter that took Miami out of the championship game picture. Scary stat was the 8.2 yards/carry we averaged.

Now the ACC is all screwed up with 11 teams having at least 3 conferences losses. The ACC this year is at least the most competitive conference (from within, I'm not talking out of conference games), as I've never seen such a mess in determining the players in a championship game. So far there are 8 bowl eligible teams, with all twelve still eligible. No conference has ever had 9 bowl eligible teams.

To MacDawg, good news. Tech hasn't played two solid weeks in a row which is good news for your dawgs. Think it's shaping up to be a good one. It will be the first one I make this year since I'm stuck in California now. After this week though, I'll take Dwyer over Moreno any day.
 
My Yellow Jackets put it on Miami tonight. We put up 472 rushing yards which is huge considering our main back went out at half time. Was an all around slaughter that took Miami out of the championship game picture. Scary stat was the 8.2 yards/carry we averaged.

Now the ACC is all screwed up with 11 teams having at least 3 conferences losses. The ACC this year is at least the most competitive conference (from within, I'm not talking out of conference games), as I've never seen such a mess in determining the players in a championship game. So far there are 8 bowl eligible teams, with all twelve still eligible. No conference has ever had 9 bowl eligible teams.

To MacDawg, good news. Tech hasn't played two solid weeks in a row which is good news for your dawgs. Think it's shaping up to be a good one. It will be the first one I make this year since I'm stuck in California now. After this week though, I'll take Dwyer over Moreno any day.

Easy there Buzz, Dwyer over Moreno? You're a little giddy from the Kool-Aid and you have a sugar high. Your win over Miami was... nice... but hardly a win over a top program. Miami is still a few years away from being really good again. They have a very young and inexperienced team and only recently cracked the Top 25 for the first time all year.

Your Jackets have exceeded expectations, no doubt. I find it interesting that Johnson was able to find a way for his system to work in the first year with the talent on hand without the excuse of "wait till he gets his players in place" while Rich Rod in Michigan couldn't seem to do the same.

The game this week is definitely not a "gimmee" for the Dawgs, and it will be a good measuring stick for both programs. If Johnson wins this game, he deserves all of the praise the Tech fans can give him for turning your program around. Even if he loses, it has been a very good season for you and a vast improvement in attitude and performance over the Gailey/Ball era.

I expect the Jackets to come out strong and give the Dawgs all they can handle. Our defense is not good. :( And you will likely put up big numbers in yardage (and turnovers). In the end, I think the leadership of Stafford and the big plays of Moreno, Massaquoi and Green will steal the game from the Jackets and break your heart.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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Easy there Buzz, Dwyer over Moreno? You're a little giddy from the Kool-Aid and you have a sugar high. Your win over Miami was... nice... but hardly a win over a top program. Miami is still a few years away from being really good again. They have a very young and inexperienced team and only recently cracked the Top 25 for the first time all year.

Haha.....I knew that comment would spark some life into you. We've been way too friendly this year to each other so far, and now that the big game is a week away, I figured it was about time to start taking shots at each other. Dwyer is averaging 7 yards per carry and each one of those runs is right up the gut. While that's impressive, he hasn't jumped over anyone yet like Moreno.

Your Jackets have exceeded expectations, no doubt. I find it interesting that Johnson was able to find a way for his system to work in the first year with the talent on hand without the excuse of "wait till he gets his players in place" while Rich Rod in Michigan couldn't seem to do the same.

Johnson's a great coach. If GSU is an indicator of what to expect in the future for him, we've only just begun. That, or this entire year was a fluke.

The game this week is definitely not a "gimmee" for the Dawgs, and it will be a good measuring stick for both programs. If Johnson wins this game, he deserves all of the praise the Tech fans can give him for turning your program around. Even if he loses, it has been a very good season for you and a vast improvement in attitude and performance over the Gailey/Ball era.

The end of the Gailey/Ball era. Two legends for UGA.

I expect the Jackets to come out strong and give the Dawgs all they can handle. Our defense is not good. :( And you will likely put up big numbers in yardage (and turnovers). In the end, I think the leadership of Stafford and the big plays of Moreno, Massaquoi and Green will steal the game from the Jackets and break your heart.

I'm ready for Massaquoi to get out of UGA. Same for Stafford. I heard on the radio the other day that there were rumors over Moreno possibly going after this year because he's struggling with the academics at school.

While I doubt that will happen, it's worth reading his essay he had to write when he got busted for a noise violation last year.
http://www.theskipster.com/knowshon.pdf

Instant classic! I'm glad god gave him skills on the football field, because there is no way he's getting it done in the classroom.
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My Yellow Jackets put it on Miami tonight. We put up 472 rushing yards which is huge considering our main back went out at half time. Was an all around slaughter that took Miami out of the championship game picture. Scary stat was the 8.2 yards/carry we averaged.

Now the ACC is all screwed up with 11 teams having at least 3 conferences losses. The ACC this year is at least the most competitive conference (from within, I'm not talking out of conference games), as I've never seen such a mess in determining the players in a championship game. So far there are 8 bowl eligible teams, with all twelve still eligible. No conference has ever had 9 bowl eligible teams.

To MacDawg, good news. Tech hasn't played two solid weeks in a row which is good news for your dawgs. Think it's shaping up to be a good one. It will be the first one I make this year since I'm stuck in California now. After this week though, I'll take Dwyer over Moreno any day.
I didn't even play and I think I got cleat marks in my back where GT ran all over my Canes. That was embarrassing.
 
So tomorrow is a pretty big day for us Red Raider fans. I am pretty sure our game tomorrow night is the big game for the week on ABC. Hopefully the rest of the nation will see once again how good Texas Tech really is. This is the third game in a row where we are the Saturday night prime time game and that is very cool.

My prediction - Texas Tech 63 Oklahoma 35

Why do I have it such a large margin? TTU plays until all 60 minutes are over, Oklahoma just comes out hard initially and then doesnt play much in the second half. Also, I think our defense is much better than Oklahoma's. I am hoping to see McBath or Charbonnet get at least 1 interception each in this game. This is another team that loves to through the ball and those guys are great at reading the qb and being in the right spot at the right time.

I know people will claim that Oklahoma is a loud place to play. Yes it is, I have been there on the field during games and it is very very very loud. Luckily, TTU can run an entire game without a single vocal command. I believe this will give them yet another edge in tomorrow nights game.

It will be a wonderful game to watch, one of the best this year. I hope everyone here gets to watch it and that everyone will root for the underdog! :cool:
 
So tomorrow is a pretty big day for us Red Raider fans. I am pretty sure our game tomorrow night is the big game for the week on ABC. Hopefully the rest of the nation will see once again how good Texas Tech really is. This is the third game in a row where we are the Saturday night prime time game and that is very cool.

My prediction - Texas Tech 63 Oklahoma 35

Why do I have it such a large margin? TTU plays until all 60 minutes are over, Oklahoma just comes out hard initially and then doesnt play much in the second half. Also, I think our defense is much better than Oklahoma's. I am hoping to see McBath or Charbonnet get at least 1 interception each in this game. This is another team that loves to through the ball and those guys are great at reading the qb and being in the right spot at the right time.

I know people will claim that Oklahoma is a loud place to play. Yes it is, I have been there on the field during games and it is very very very loud. Luckily, TTU can run an entire game without a single vocal command. I believe this will give them yet another edge in tomorrow nights game.

It will be a wonderful game to watch, one of the best this year. I hope everyone here gets to watch it and that everyone will root for the underdog! :cool:

Good luck with the Sooners!
It should be a great game! I am not quite as optimistic as you are about that score though. I could be a shoot out and will definitely be entertaining. I think Oklahoma will come ready to play.

Enjoy it while you have your seniors... next year, you are heading for a fall.

So... I'm kind of afraid to watch the Michigan vs. Ohio State game tomorrow. I don't think we will win, so I'm guessing we'll lose our 9th game this season.

See my note above to RamblinWreck. Why is it that Rich Rod can't run his system with the talent he inherited, but Paul Johnson could at Ga. Tech? I know Michigan's talent has to be better than Tech... he didn't get a completely bare cupboard. And his competition in the Big 10 hasn't been that stiff... besides, he lost to Toledo! Not trash talking (not right at this moment anyway ;), just making an observation. What are your thoughts on that comparison?

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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Scenario 1 would be a Big XII team vs. the SEC Champion. Scenario 2 would be a Big XII team vs. USC. Though you're right, it would be a mess.

Wouldn't be the first time a Big XII team that didn't win the conference played for the BCS title.

01 nebraska and 03 oklahoma come to mind

i dont think conference championships do any good as it has a chance to knock teams out as they are forced to play another good team as the last game

unfair imo when some conferences do NOT have championships
 
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