2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[echeck]

gibbz is right. When we have subjective human polls sportsmanship takes a back seat to proving domination.

I do think there comes a point where the game is in the bag, and generally that's when you're up by 40 points. Put in your 2nd string and let them get some game time, if the other team starts storming back then put your 1st string back in. At least they'll be rested.

I think piling it on against D1AA schools with your first string shows absolutely no class. But when you're playing against another top five team, they should be able to stop you a little.

Not to excuse OU's past of running up scores, but last night's game was also unique in that Bradford has Heisman potential. I must admit that if Bradford was on my team I would want him to get as much time to prove himself as possible. He had just over three quarters before being yanked for the final 11 minutes.

It sucks when your team gets spanked, for sure. But unfortunately this is the "system" that we have.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I'm surprised Texas Tech dropped as far as they did.

I honestly expected three spots at most...

AP Top 25
1. Alabama (63) 11-0 1,622
2. Florida (2) 10-1 1,512
3. Oklahoma 10-1 1,486
4. Texas 10-1 1,482
5. USC 9-1 1,352
6. Penn State 11-1 1,238
7. Texas Tech 10-1 1,212
8. Utah 12-0 1,206
9. Boise State 11-0 1,064
10. Ohio State 10-2 1,043
11. Oklahoma State 9-2 997
12. Missouri 9-2 917
13. Georgia 9-2 874
14. TCU 10-2 750
15. Ball State 11-0 731

That is complete crap how far Texas Tech dropped. They should still be about Penn State who lost to an unRanked. Texas Tech was the underdog in its game and played by far one of the best team in the NCAA. Tech should of dropped to 5 at the most. it is still among the top 5 teams. But lets face it Texas Tech is historically a very under rated team. The top 5 teams should of stayed the same 5 teams.

No wonder why Leach calling for a play off system year and year out. Texas Tech gets screwed normally. Texas Losses to Texas Tech and they drop a whole 2 spots down to 4 which was just below the last unbeated. Texas Tech loses they go down below schools they are clearly better than. For example Penn State....

There is no excuse for that far of a drop.

 

[gibbz]

USA Today/Coaches Poll
1. Alabama (56) 11-0 1,518
2. Oklahoma (4) 10-1 1,412
3. Florida (1) 10-1 1,401
4. Texas 10-1 1,370
5. USC 9-1 1,288
6. Penn State 11-1 1,157
7. Utah 12-0 1,153
8. Texas Tech 10-1 1,073
9. Boise State 11-0 1,033
10. Ohio State 10-2 994
11. Missouri 9-2 896
12. Oklahoma State 9-2 858
13. Georgia 9-2 842
14. TCU 10-2 695
15. Ball State 11-0 673
16. Cincinnati 9-2 572
17. Oregon State 8-3 544
18. Oregon 8-3 397
19. Brigham Young 10-2 321
20. Northwestern 9-3 310
21. Michigan State 9-3 296
22. Boston College 8-3 290
23. Georgia Tech 8-3 241
24. Florida State 8-3 204
25. West Virginia 7-3 83

That is complete crap how far Texas Tech dropped. They should still be about Penn State who lost to an unRanked. Texas Tech was the underdog in its game and played by far one of the best team in the NCAA. Tech should of dropped to 5 at the most. it is still among the top 5 teams. But lets face it Texas Tech is historically a very under rated team. The top 5 teams should of stayed the same 5 teams.

No wonder why Leach calling for a play off system year and year out. Texas Tech gets screwed normally. Texas Losses to Texas Tech and they drop a whole 2 spots down to 4 which was just below the last unbeated. Texas Tech loses they go down below schools they are clearly better than. For example Penn State.... There is no excuse for that far of a drop.

Maybe, but Texas didn't lose by 44 points. You lose by that much and people wonder if you should be ranked so high. You look at the big Tech wins, and all were at home. They go on the road and get killed. Voters clearly didn't buy into Tech being a national power due to their performance last night. I'd say that Tech has annually screwed itself with key loses on the road. By the way, Tech has averaged under 20 points in the last 5 games at Norman. You have to do it at home and on the road to win National titles.

 

[RamblinWreck]

USA Today/Coaches Poll
1. Alabama (56) 11-0 1,518
2. Oklahoma (4) 10-1 1,412
3. Florida (1) 10-1 1,401
4. Texas 10-1 1,370
5. USC 9-1 1,288
6. Penn State 11-1 1,157
7. Utah 12-0 1,153
8. Texas Tech 10-1 1,073
9. Boise State 11-0 1,033
10. Ohio State 10-2 994
11. Missouri 9-2 896
12. Oklahoma State 9-2 858
13. Georgia 9-2 842
14. TCU 10-2 695
15. Ball State 11-0 673
16. Cincinnati 9-2 572
17. Oregon State 8-3 544
18. Oregon 8-3 397
19. Brigham Young 10-2 321
20. Northwestern 9-3 310
21. Michigan State 9-3 296
22. Boston College 8-3 290
23. Georgia Tech 8-3 241
24. Florida State 8-3 204
25. West Virginia 7-3 83



Maybe, but Texas didn't lose by 44 points.

Agreed. TT dropped so far because of how bad they lost. Not who they lost to.

Texas Tech beat Texas in the last minute of the game. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech a minute into the second quarter.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

USC, up at number 5.

That's what I'm talking about. Oh, Mark Sanchez, if you could complete a couple passes to open receivers that would be great too.

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

USC, up at number 5.

That's what I'm talking about. Oh, Mark Sanchez, if you could complete a couple passes to open receivers that would be great too.

USC is done, they won't even win their conference this year. No automatic bid to the BCS for them!

I got a big laugh when I read your posts telling us not to judge USC because of the weakness of the Pac-10 this year. I would be inclined to oblige, but USC won't even win the weak Pac-10 in it's down year so I'll go ahead and judge them along with the rest of a joke that is their conference. They should be passed over completely when BCS selection time comes around. How many ranked opponents has USC beaten this year? And what were their rankings? And while we're at it, where are they ranked now?

They've beaten Ohio State, Oregon, and Cal. Ohio State is having a rough season, Cal and Oregon aren't anything.

Now my Utes have had some great wins this season and finished undefeated. We've beaten Oregon State the current #17, and the team that beat your beloved USC. TCU who was #12 at the time and had previously beaten the #9 BYU Cougars but who also hasn't lost since we beat them; they finished the season at #14. We beat a #14 BYU team who had been as high as #9. And we beat Michigan who's turned out to be terrible but were ranked #24 when we played them.

The BCS is going down, when they have two 1 loss teams playing for the title while an undefeated team with the University of Utah's resume isn't even considered, the system is breathing it's last breaths.

Here's to a USC loss to Notre Dame!

SLC

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Agreed. TT dropped so far because of how bad they lost. Not who they lost to.

Texas Tech beat Texas in the last minute of the game. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech a minute into the second quarter.

and you would htink Texas would of been punished more for how poor there first half was...

It a completely piss poor ranking this time. TT should not of dropped that far and legitimetly the Big 12 deserve to have 3 if not 4 teams in BSC games this year.

 

[djohnson]

Hey Rodimus, here is my thoughts today.

I am absolutely thrilled at how well Tech is doing this year. This is by far the best season they have had in the last 10 years I have lived in Lubbock. We should still end the regular season at 11-1 which is fabulous. How many unbeaten teams are there again and how many will there be at the end of the season? Now take those teams and see how many had to play 3 top 10 teams and 4 ranked teams in a row. All of the people dogging Tech can stop, at least we didnt lose to an unranked team (Florida, USC, Penn State). I would much rather lose to #4, on their turf, than a complete nobody at home.

Look at where the following Big 12 South teams have lost. Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Tech - all lost on the road. Not a single team in that list has lost at home, even against top ranked teams. I will be cheering for OSU next weekend, you can count on that!

The best part was I got to see the game in HD for the first time ever!

 

[dukebound85]

That is complete crap how far Texas Tech dropped. They should still be about Penn State who lost to an unRanked. Texas Tech was the underdog in its game and played by far one of the best team in the NCAA. Tech should of dropped to 5 at the most. it is still among the top 5 teams. But lets face it Texas Tech is historically a very under rated team. The top 5 teams should of stayed the same 5 teams.

No wonder why Leach calling for a play off system year and year out. Texas Tech gets screwed normally. Texas Losses to Texas Tech and they drop a whole 2 spots down to 4 which was just below the last unbeated. Texas Tech loses they go down below schools they are clearly better than. For example Penn State....

There is no excuse for that far of a drop.

lol what? you are saying the drop texas suffered should be the same that TT ? did you even watch both games?

TT got manhandled by OU. not even a game. the UT/TT game was down to the end

so in short, yea TT I felt got lucky only dropping 5 spots. also remember late losses hurt more than early losses, yes even if a week later in the case of Penn State. Tell me how Florida is ahead of OU in one of the polls when they both have 1 loss and Florida was to an unranked team whereas OU's was to a top 5 and RIVAL game lol

you do realize if a number 1 team beats a number 2 team by even 1 point, the number 2 team will still fall in the rankings. now that is something i dont undertand


yea i feel your pain, i went through it with Kansas' magical run last year lol

 

[Rodimus Prime]

lol what? you are saying the drop texas suffered should be the same that TT ? did you even watch both games?

TT got manhandled by OU. not even a game. the UT/TT game was down to the end

so in short, yea TT I felt got lucky only dropping 5 spots. also remember late losses hurt more than early losses, yes even if a week later in the case of Penn State. Tell me how Florida is ahead of OU in one of the polls when they both have 1 loss and Florida was to an unranked team whereas OU's was to a top 5 and RIVAL game lol

you do realize if a number 1 team beats a number 2 team by even 1 point, the number 2 team will still fall in the rankings. now that is something i dont undertand


yea i feel your pain, i went through it with Kansas' magical run last year lol

I think it exposes how much is wrong with the polls. When Texas dropped it dropped only to below the Unbeaten which is understandable. But Texas Tech does not deserver what it got. I bet if lets say the same happen to one of the other big schools football schools (aka OU and Texas) it would not been as big of a drop. Texas Tech is one of those surprise schools no one ever expects to see in the top 10. It is crap they are below pen state.



On another note something comical could happen in the big 12 next week. OU loses to OSU, UT lose to Texas A&M and Tech loses to Baylor. That woudl put 4 teams at 2 loses in big 12 south. Funny part of that is Texas Tech would win in the head to head since only UT and Texas suffered one lose among others in the tie. Not that it is going to happen.

I am rooting for OSU to beat OU. That would put Texas winning the big 12 south and still have a shot at the BSC and argublelly a shot at national championship since its ONLY loss would be to another very high rank team.-

 

[dmr727]

Rodimus - I understand that you're pissed, but you're not a 'name' program in college football, so you have to work harder than others to get respect. It's not right, but it's the way it is. Tech's had a history of beating big time teams, just to piss away the season with stupid losses. Even after your amazing season this year, everyone seemed to predict that you'd get spanked by OU.

Point is, you have to win those big games on the road before anyone is going to see you as anything else but a flash in the pan. Teams like Florida, OU, USC, and so on get mulligans because they're traditionally very good. Tech doesn't get that luxury, just like Boise St. doesn't, Utah doesn't, etc...

Again, it's not right. We desperately need a playoff. We need to stop ranking teams before week 6. But it's what we have right now, and personally, I'm surprised that you're not simply happy to be in the Top 10 after that showing in Norman.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Rodimus - I understand that you're pissed, but you're not a 'name' program in college football, so you have to work harder than others to get respect. It's not right, but it's the way it is. Tech's had a history of beating big time teams, just to piss away the season with stupid losses. Even after your amazing season this year, everyone seemed to predict that you'd get spanked by OU.

Point is, you have to win those big games on the road before anyone is going to see you as anything else but a flash in the pan. Teams like Florida, OU, USC, and so on get mulligans because they're traditionally very good. Tech doesn't get that luxury, just like Boise St. doesn't, Utah doesn't, etc...

Again, it's not right. We desperately need a playoff. We need to stop ranking teams before week 6. But it's what we have right now, and personally, I'm surprised that you're not simply happy to be in the Top 10 after that showing in Norman.

yeah it is crap. If tech was taken out of the top 10 then it would be me stringing 4 letter words together.

If Texas Tech does not get a BSC bowl game this year they can legitimately argue they got robbed. It does not make since how the "good schools" are always forgiven when they loses but god forbid when a non "good school" is doing great and then loses to one of those big schools they get knocked down and not forgiven. It is not like this was a stupid loss they wasted a way. it was a bad game but not a stupid lose like Penn State. A loss to Nebraska would of been stupid. At least it was a ranked 5 team. Tech should of just dropped to there. if it was a revised and a "good school" had the same happen to them they would of been put there.

A play off system would be easy to do. Take the rankings top 16 teams go. No more than 4 from each conference. no debating then. 16 top rank teams go. One is the winner. That is a 4 game stretch max for the winning team. And we would have a lot more game.

Plus there is not getting around the argument if a team is not in the top 16 at the end of the season they did not have a chance at national champion.

We have another great year for how the ranking system is screwed up for National champain. Chances are really good it will both teams playing will be 1 loss teams.

Next year college football will not be worth really watching. It will be a true rebuilding year for Texas Tech and after this year they will get robbed a BSC game why bother.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

I love your blatant attempt to try to get to me with this post. As if you posting this is going to get me fuming mad.

USC is done...

Done? You mean this year? Or the future? Because we have more five star recruits in our program right now than have ever even considered yours. I have a feeling we'll be fine for a while.

They won't even win their conference this year. No automatic bid to the BCS for them!

Eh, we had a good run of 6 straight Pac-10 titles. Now we'll have to settle for finishing 5th in the entire country and being invited to a bowl game (if we win our final two games, that is). I'd rather not play in the Rose Bowl this year; I don't want to play a Big-10 team. They're trash. Give us Florida or someone else who's good.

The BCS is going down, when they have two 1 loss teams playing for the title while an undefeated team with the University of Utah's resume isn't even considered...

And it shouldn't be. Utah is a trash institution.

 

[echeck]

Ha ha!

I'm never sure if SLC Flyfishing truly believes Utah is better than USC or if he's just saying it to get at badandy.

Either way it's funny!

And I can't wait for Oregon to beat Oregon State so I can start spouting off about how Boise is better than USC because we beat Oregon who beat Oregon State who beat USC. We'll be, like... THREE generations of greatness above USC!

I think it's great that Utah is going to the BCS this year, because as I've said many times, I don't think Boise would do well this year. We're just too young and inexperienced.

The next three years we're going to be a definite power. We will certainly be ranked in the preseason next year, so it will be that much easier to climb the ranks.

 

[dmr727]

Like the vast majority of the country, I'm not a fan of Notre Dame. So this was amusing:

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP)—Notre Dame football players were pelted by snowballs from fans sitting in the student section during their loss to Syracuse on Saturday.

“To throw snowballs at their own team, I didn’t think that was a smart thing to do. I guess (they thought) it was funny,” defensive tackle Pat Kuntz said after Syracuse upset the Irish 24-23.

South Bend was hit with about 10 inches of snow Friday. While the field had been cleared before the game, there was still snow along the fringes and in some areas of the stands.

Fans at first threw snow in the air, but then quickly switched to tossing snowballs toward the Notre Dame sideline. Defensive lineman Ian Williams got hit in the helmet, defensive end Ethan Johnson was struck on the left cheek and a St. Joseph County police officer on the sideline looking into the crowd got hit in the chest. An NBC camera man also was a frequent target and several snowballs reached the field, although none landed near where play was occurring.

When the Irish defense held a meeting on the sideline, injured linebacker Brian Smith stood on a bench to try to shield his teammates. But when a snowball hit Kuntz, he stood and faced the crowd and appeared to challenge whoever threw it to come down on the field.

“I was pretty mad about that, but whatever the fans want to do,” Kuntz, a senior who was playing his last game at Notre Dame Stadium, said flatly.

At least one fan was seen being led away by police.

 

[echeck]

Yikes...

This should get Rodimus fired up...

Tech drops below Utah in the BCS rankings:

BCS Standings
1. Alabama 11-0
2. Texas 10-1
3. Oklahoma 10-1
4. Florida 10-1
5. USC 9-1
6. Utah 12-0
7. Texas Tech 10-1
8. Penn State 11-1
9. Boise State 11-0
10. Ohio State 10-2
11. Georgia 9-2
12. Oklahoma State 9-2
13. Missouri 9-2
14. TCU 10-2
15. Ball State 11-0

 

[dukebound85]

I love your blatant attempt to try to get to me with this post. As if you posting this is going to get me fuming mad.



Done? You mean this year? Or the future? Because we have more five star recruits in our program right now than have ever even considered yours. I have a feeling we'll be fine for a while.



Eh, we had a good run of 6 straight Pac-10 titles. Now we'll have to settle for finishing 5th in the entire country and being invited to a bowl game (if we win our final two games, that is). I'd rather not play in the Rose Bowl this year; I don't want to play a Big-10 team. They're trash. Give us Florida or someone else who's good.



And it shouldn't be. Utah is a trash institution.

so you take issue with people criticisng USC and then turn around and say Utah is a trash institution???

comeon now, give respect where its due

Utah was the first BCS buster and holds a 1-0 record in BCS games lol

Yikes...

This should get Rodimus fired up...

Tech drops below Utah in the BCS rankings:

BCS Standings
1. Alabama 11-0
2. Texas 10-1
3. Oklahoma 10-1
4. Florida 10-1
5. USC 9-1
6. Utah 12-0
7. Texas Tech 10-1
8. Penn State 11-1
9. Boise State 11-0
10. Ohio State 10-2
11. Georgia 9-2
12. Oklahoma State 9-2
13. Missouri 9-2
14. TCU 10-2
15. Ball State 11-0

so? Utah is undefeated and late losses hurt the most in college football. Utah hasnt just played cupcakes either so they deserve their spot. In fact arguably higher

 

[echeck]

so? Utah is undefeated and late losses hurt the most in college football. Utah hasnt just played cupcakes either so they deserve their spot. In fact arguably higher

I wasn't saying anything about it, really. Just saying it will get Rodimus fired up. Heh.

Don't get me wrong, I'm truly happy for Utah to get to the BCS again. Seriously.

But I can't help but think their ranking has been inflated by the very team they claimed was overrated. Heh. Kind of ironic, really.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Yikes...

This should get Rodimus fired up...

Tech drops below Utah in the BCS rankings:

BCS Standings
1. Alabama 11-0
2. Texas 10-1
3. Oklahoma 10-1
4. Florida 10-1
5. USC 9-1
6. Utah 12-0
7. Texas Tech 10-1
8. Penn State 11-1
9. Boise State 11-0
10. Ohio State 10-2
11. Georgia 9-2
12. Oklahoma State 9-2
13. Missouri 9-2
14. TCU 10-2
15. Ball State 11-0

Yeah it is crap.

If you look at the computer rankings it puts Texas Tech where they belong. 4. It the fact that OMG Texas Tech is not one of the big name schools so human voting is a lot less forgiving. If that was UT or OU that in the same spot as Tech they would of only fallen to 4 or 5.

Like others have said this year is yet another yeah of flaws in the BSC.

The non BSC games this year are going to suck. Big time for anything the Big 12 is playing since they are heads over heals better than what they will be lined up against. When you have argublily 4 of the top 10 schools (and per the computer 3 of the top 5) from the same conference it is going to make some unbalanced games.

Also if you go look at prevous weeks at those rankings of the 2 poles you where complaining about Texas Tech was even more points ahead that 2. So they can justify it. Just because there is a loss does not mean you jump a head unless there is a why to explain why texas Tech did not jump ahead last year when they bet OU. (Texas Tech was still unranked after upsetting a ranked 4 team)

 

[gibbz]

Now I will admit upfront that I am an Oklahoma fan. I am not really bothered with where we are positioned right now. We are only down .008 in the BCS and a win at BCS #12 OK St. on national TV could easily make up this small difference with either more votes in the polls or an increased position in the computer polls.

Which leads me to my post. Look at this week's BCS computer rankings.

Two polls (Peter Wolfe and Jeff Sagarin have Texas Tech 2 spots ahead of Oklahoma, despite the small 65-21 victory. I don't even know how they would begin to justify those results. I really wish there was a playoff.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Now I will admit upfront that I am an Oklahoma fan. I am not really bothered with where we are positioned right now. We are only down .008 in the BCS and a win at BCS #12 OK St. on national TV could easily make up this small difference with either more votes in the polls or an increased position in the computer polls.

Which leads me to my post. Look at this week's BCS computer rankings.

Two polls (Peter Wolfe and Jeff Sagarin have Texas Tech 2 spots ahead of Oklahoma, despite the small 65-21 victory. I don't even know how they would begin to justify those results. I really wish there was a playoff.

you forget some of the polls do not use margin of victory. I believe a lot of them changed how that was used because to many schools ( for example OU) like to run up the points on everyone they play. It makes the running up the score worthless in the rankings. And that is also why they take an average of the 6.

That being said I agree we need a play off system so schools do not get screwed up of the chance for the National championship.

 

[dmr727]

I don't really mind if we get passed up. Don't get me wrong - it'd be cool to be in the title game, but this system is one of 'what have you done for me lately', and our win over OU is just a faint memory in most people's minds. Our D isn't really national title caliber anyway.

In my dream world, OU would play Florida in the title game. Nobody's hotter than those two teams at the moment.

 

[echeck]

you forget some of the polls do not use margin of victory. I believe a lot of them changed how that was used because to many schools ( for example OU) like to run up the points on everyone they play. It makes the running up the score worthless in the rankings.

I remember reading on ESPN that as far as the computer rankings are concerned any margin of victory over 28 points is the same. So the only thing running up the score does is affect the human polls.

 

[gibbz]

you forget some of the polls do not use margin of victory. I believe a lot of them changed how that was used because to many schools ( for example OU) like to run up the points on everyone they play. It makes the running up the score worthless in the rankings. And that is also why they take an average of the 6. Mix that is they could be using other numbers like total offense and things like that.

Margin aside, we beat Texas Tech, and with both teams being tied, leaves no real good excuse for Tech being ranked two spots ahead.

Additionally, your attacks of OU running of the score are getting rather old. Why don't you give me examples and then tell me how they are any different than Texas Tech this year.

For example, TT vs. Mass saw TT up 42-7 at half, yet they proceeded to score 14 more points in the second half.

Or TT vs. Kansas St when TT was up 45-21 going into the 4th quarter and then decided to score 13 more to make it 58-28.

Then there was TT vs. Kansas when TT was up 35-14 at half and the went on to score 28 in the second half to make it 63-21.

Oh, I did forget to mention TT vs. OK St. where TT was up 28-14 at half and 42-20 after the 3rd, yet decided to score 14 more in the 4th quarter to make it a nice 56-20.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are just bitter that you got beat at your own game. Man up and quit bitching about big bad OU running up the score. If your then #2 team didn't like it, perhaps they should have brought a defense, or an offense for that matter.

P.S. Before making any claims about OU not pulling starters, in at least 3 of the games I linked to, Harrell had TDs in the second half, with at least 2 coming in the 4th quarter.

 

[dmr727]

Lord knows I'm not an OU fan, but I have to agree with gibbz. Leach is known for running up the score without apology. There's not a lot of room for Tech fans to whine about what OU did to them.

Glass houses, etc etc...