2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[MacDawg]

Honestly I would be all for that, but I just don't see it happening.

From what I've read, the PAC10 is VERY reluctant to bring anyone else on, although our wrestling team competes in the PAC10. So you never know.

A move to the MWC is more realistic I think.

The Pac 10 and the Big 10 need to step up like the ACC and Big 12 did and join the SEC with a championship game. The ACC brought in Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech to make it happen.

The Pac 10 could bring Boise, Utah, BYU or even someone else... just do it
The Big 10 (11) could bring Notre Dame... especially now that they have sucked for 15+ years

The Big East needs to do the same...

THEN you could realistically start talking about a playoff
Until then... never gonna happen

Although I think a north and south would be great, I don't think you can split Utah and BYU up like that. I don't think anyone (in Utah at least) would stand for it.

EDIT: And for the record, I think the NCAA requires 12 teams (6 team divisions) to have a conference championship game

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[echeck]

Although I think a north and south would be great, I don't think you can split Utah and BYU up like that. I don't think anyone (in Utah at least) would stand for it.

Really? I think it would be a great idea! Obviously they would still be rivals, and could still play each other during the regular season, but every now and then they could also play each other for the conference championship. I think that would definitely add some more spark to the rivalry.

Tell me about it. The MTN is so annoying, but I don't want to get into that right now - all it will do is upset me.

P-Worm

Ha ha!

That's pretty much what all MWC fans say. I wonder how realistic it is for a new contract with, say, ESPN would be?

The Pac 10 and the Big 10 need to step up like the ACC and Big 12 did and join the SEC with a championship game. The ACC brought in Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech to make it happen.

The Pac 10 could bring Boise, Utah, BYU or even someone else... just do it
The Big 10 (11) could bring Notre Dame... especially now that they have sucked for 15+ years

The Big East needs to do the same...

THEN you could realistically start talking about a playoff
Until then... never gonna happen

I'm behind you 100% in having conference championship games. I think Notre Dame is a no-brainer for the Big 10, but who would The Big East bring on? You get to a point where you're running out of teams. Heh. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is East Carolina.

EDIT: And for the record, I think the NCAA requires 12 teams (6 team divisions) to have a conference championship game

Woof, Woof - Dawg

Seriously? Well, that's lame.

 

[echeck]

Oh, MacDawg, did you see this?

Looks like there's more truth to ol' Monte comin to Tennessee with his son than what we thought.

 

[echeck]

The Harris poll is out, and they have Texas over Oklahoma by six points.

So if Texas retains it's slight lead over Oklahoma in the Computer Average then Texas wins the Big 12 South.

It's the way it should be, if you ask me.

 

[furcalchick]

who wants to burn the bcs?

The Pac 10 and the Big 10 need to step up like the ACC and Big 12 did and join the SEC with a championship game. The ACC brought in Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech to make it happen.

The Pac 10 could bring Boise, Utah, BYU or even someone else... just do it
The Big 10 (11) could bring Notre Dame... especially now that they have sucked for 15+ years

The Big East needs to do the same...

THEN you could realistically start talking about a playoff
Until then... never gonna happen

EDIT: And for the record, I think the NCAA requires 12 teams (6 team divisions) to have a conference championship game.

the big east has 16 total teams in the conference, so unless they expand to 20 teams or get four of their non big east football schools to play football, it won't be happening. and i think that it's nice that some conferences don't have conference championship games, i don't think all of the conferences can support it, especially with the debacle we have now. i say keep the system as is, no conference championships to extend the season into march...

notre dame is in the big east for all other sports besides football, so they will most likely join the big east if they were to join a conference for football.

 

[echeck]

Wow.

This just isn't right.

BCS Standings
1. Alabama 12-0
2. Oklahoma 11-1
3. Texas 11-1
4. Florida 11-1
5. USC 10-1
6. Utah 12-0
7. Texas Tech 11-1
8. Penn State 11-1
9. Boise State 12-0
10. Ohio State 10-2
11. TCU 10-2
12. Ball State 12-0
13. Cincinnati 10-2
14. Oklahoma State 9-3
15. Georgia Tech 8-3

I just don't think Oklahoma should be in front of Texas.

Have a look at the full standings here.

 

[MacNut]

You have to wonder when they say the BCS is fine and not change it, do they really mean it or is that the money talking. No one in their right mind would think that this is a good system.

How can you have a computer decide a conference champion?

 

[rhett7660]

As long as 'bama' is still number one for at least one more week!

 

[furcalchick]

You have to wonder when they say the BCS is fine and not change it, do they really mean it or is that the money talking. No one in their right mind would think that this is a good system.

How can you have a computer decide a conference champion?

it was the 5th tiebreaker. i suggest margin of victory vs. common opponents instead.

 

[MacNut]

it was the 5th tiebreaker. i suggest margin of victory vs. common opponents instead.

How about just a playoff game.

 

[P-Worm]

I just don't think Oklahoma should be in front of Texas.

I have to agree with you. Watching that game last night, I could have easily seen Oklahoma State beating Oklahoma...and they move up a slot?

P-Worm

 

[furcalchick]

i wonder if this is some type of plot to get usc a national championship they don't deserve by passing on texas and hoping ou loses against mizzou. i hope not. the bcs needs to burn.

 

[furcalchick]

How about just a playoff game.

that's the best and smart thing to do, but the stuffy university presidents and bowl organizers don't want to lose the bowl tradition, and more importantly, their cash (although they would make more in a playoff). it's already watered down now with 500 bowl games running around and a 6-6 season gets you into a bowl. do like every other division of every other ncaa sport does and get a playoff. do you think the phillies or the giants would be world champions if something as dumb as the bcs decided their league's fate?

the one thing i don't get is why they keep parading this idea of 'finals' as the reason they can't have a playoff? 1-aa seems to do fine without it. basketball players are out during finals week for games. some schools have finals during march madness (ohio st. and ucla being the most prominent) and it doesn't stop the ncaa. heck, the way things are going, we could have college football into february before too long.

 

[rhett7660]

I am curious. I really didn't start following College Football until recently. What did they do prior to the BCS?

 

[dukebound85]

I am curious. I really didn't start following College Football until recently. What did they do prior to the BCS?

polls

 

[echeck]

I'm curious what dmr727 and other Texas fans have to say about the ridiculousness of Oklahoma passing Texas in the rankings.

What say you?!

 

[dukebound85]

I'm curious what dmr727 and other Texas fans have to say about the ridiculousness of Oklahoma passing Texas in the rankings.

What say you?!

i dont think its redicolous at all

no matter the outcome, people would be complaining. but the fact is, OU is playing the best football out of the three at the moment. There is no denying that.
later losses always hurt more than earlier ones and OU lost to UT earlier than UT lost to TT

In the games against each other, lets make this the tie breaker

Texas:
Average Score: 39-37
Average MoV: 2

Texas Tech:
Average Score: 30-52
Average MoV: -22

Oklahoma:
Average Score: 50-33
Average MoV: 17

As you can see, of the combined head to head matchups among the three, OU clearly dominates

 

[rhett7660]

polls

Really... so it was decided by polls? IE the coaches poll etc?

 

[inVINCEcible2k3]

UT Austin FTW!

 

[dukebound85]

Really... so it was decided by polls? IE the coaches poll etc?

a little more complicated than that but mainly, yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series#History_leading_to_creation_of_the_BCS

On a side note it is interesting to see the BCS rankings

Conference Representation

Big 12: 5 teams (2,3,7,14,20)
SEC: 3 teams (1,4,16)
ACC: 4 teams (15,17,24,25)
Big 10: 4 teams (8,10,21,22)
PAC-10: 2 teams (5,19)
WAC: 1 team (9)
Big East: 2 teams (13,23)
Mid-American: 1 team (12)
MWC: 3 teams (6,11,18)

Based on this my conference standings are
1) Big 12
2) SEC
3) Big 10
4) MWC
5) PAC-10
6) ACC
7) Big East
8) WAC
9) Mid-American

 

[dmr727]

I'm curious what dmr727 and other Texas fans have to say about the ridiculousness of Oklahoma passing Texas in the rankings.

What say you?!

It's a bummer, but not really surprising. The system rewards teams that are playing better at the end of the season, which is OU. We know we beat them, and to us that's all that matters. I was happy that Mack Brown took the high road and pulled Colt before the end of the 4th quarter against A&M, even though he knew he'd be missing out on the style points we'd need. A lot of Texas fans were pissed, but personally I'd rather win with class and play in the Fiesta than run up the score on A&M for a shot at the title. Without a playoff, there's no real college title anyway - it's all just opinion.

So yeah, it sucks, but I'm not really all that upset about it.

 

[dmr727]

As you can see, of the combined head to head matchups among the three, OU clearly dominates

Take the combined head to head of all the common teams Texas and OU have played, and it makes more sense. Still, OU comes out on top, however Texas played many more of these games on the road.

OU common opponent spread: 23
Texas common opponent spread: 17

So it's closer than one touchdown. Point is - you could make a point for either team and not be off your rocker.

 

[echeck]

Without a playoff, there's no real college title anyway - it's all just opinion.

Friends, that statement is the best statement I've read all season.

Well said.

I still think it's ridiculous. I couldn't care less how well Oklahoma is playing right now, and I agree they are playing very well. But the fact remains Texas took care of Oklahoma when it mattered on a neutral field.

But, like dmr727 said; it's just all opinion. Wrong opinion, but opinion nonetheless.

EDIT:

Ouch. Graham Harrell played last Saturday with two shattered fingers!

They say both Harrell and Crabtree, who sprained an ankle, will be good to go for their Bowl game.

 

[dmr727]

Really... so it was decided by polls? IE the coaches poll etc?

Well, there was never a real national championship. You just had two polls - the Coaches Poll and the AP - that ranked teams. The Bowls selected teams based on their conference affiliation (for example, the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs played in the Rose), and it all kind of filtered down.

At the end of all the bowls, the team at the top of both polls was just generally deemed the national champion by the media and fans. But sometimes the polls didn't agree. In '97 the AP had Michigan on top, and the Coaches had Nebraska there. So the fans and media would argue until they were blue in the face, and everyone said we needed a system where teams like Nebraska and Michigan could play each other to crown a real champion.

So the BCS was created and comes up with a scheme where the #1 and #2 team at the end of the regular season would always play each other, and then the bowls would get to choose as usual from the rest. Well, all it did was shift the argument from one place to another. The classic example was 2003 - where both the AP and Coaches had USC at #1, but the AP doesn't figure into the BCS calculation, and somehow the computers spit out LSU and OU as #1 and #2. Therefore they played each other in the title. LSU squeaked by OU while USC blew out #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl. So the AP kept USC as #1, while the Coaches were contractually required to name LSU as #1. Obviously, lots of people were pissed.

So at the end of the day, we're still left with a system where different polls can call different teams #1 at the end of it all. There's still not real national title in college football, it's all just some hair brained scheme that keeps everyone arguing with each other.

 

[echeck]

The only thing that will ever put all this to rest is if everything is settled on the field, and an 8-team playoff won't do that either because we'd still be using the BCS poll to determine those eight teams. So arguments will still ensue.

There's no cure without a MAJOR overhaul, which just isn't going to happen.

I still hope for a Boise State selection to the Sugar or Fiesta Bowl, but I'm definitely not holding my breath. And when Ohio State is selected I have no choice but to cheer against them with all my might.