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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

I find it interesting what the projections for the bowls are

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowlprojection?season=2008&week=14

They both have Ohio state in the fiesta bowl and they have utah in the sugar bowl


Code: 
Bowl (Matchup)	 Mark Schlabach	 Bruce Feldman
National Championship Game
(BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2)	 Alabama vs. Texas	 Florida vs. Oklahoma
Tostitos Fiesta
(BCS vs. BCS)	 Ohio State vs. Oklahoma	 Ohio State vs. Texas
Allstate Sugar
(BCS vs. BCS)	 Florida vs. Utah	 Alabama vs. Utah
FedEx Orange
(BCS vs. BCS)	 Boston College vs. Cincinnati	 Boston College vs. Cincinnati
Rose Bowl presented by Citi
(BCS vs. BCS)	 Penn State vs. USC	 Penn State vs. USC
 
dmr727 said:
Well, there was never a real national championship. You just had two polls - the Coaches Poll and the AP - that ranked teams. The Bowls selected teams based on their conference affiliation (for example, the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs played in the Rose), and it all kind of filtered down.

At the end of all the bowls, the team at the top of both polls was just generally deemed the national champion by the media and fans. But sometimes the polls didn't agree. In '97 the AP had Michigan on top, and the Coaches had Nebraska there. So the fans and media would argue until they were blue in the face, and everyone said we needed a system where teams like Nebraska and Michigan could play each other to crown a real champion.

So the BCS was created and comes up with a scheme where the #1 and #2 team at the end of the regular season would always play each other, and then the bowls would get to choose as usual from the rest. Well, all it did was shift the argument from one place to another. The classic example was 2003 - where both the AP and Coaches had USC at #1, but the AP doesn't figure into the BCS calculation, and somehow the computers spit out LSU and OU as #1 and #2. Therefore they played each other in the title. LSU squeaked by OU while USC blew out #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl. So the AP kept USC as #1, while the Coaches were contractually required to name LSU as #1. Obviously, lots of people were pissed.

So at the end of the day, we're still left with a system where different polls can call different teams #1 at the end of it all. There's still not real national title in college football, it's all just some hair brained scheme that keeps everyone arguing with each other. :)
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it screwed up. I look at the computer rankings for Texas Tech and it puts them at number 4 yet the humans put them at number 8. That is a huge problem to me because it clearly shows the problem with the poles. If you look at the others they are generally closer to each other.

I think more wait needs to be put on the computers and less on the human polls because the "good teams" get to much protection there and those on on that list are not forgiven but instead punished harshly.

Play off system with top 16 teams would be great.
 
evilgEEk said:
I'm curious what dmr727 and other Texas fans have to say about the ridiculousness of Oklahoma passing Texas in the rankings.

What say you?!

:)
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I never said it was wrong for OU passing Texas Tech. what I complainted about was how far Texas Tech fell. Look at the computer vs humans.

Computer put tech at number 4 (and have since the lost) humans put them at 8. No other team has that huge of a spread. The only time they seem to is when the computers do not have a huge spread differences (normally 1-4) but it is not acceptable having that huge of a difference. Tech belongs in the top 5.

From the BSC rules Texas Tech is getting cheated out of a BSC bowl and who they are going to play in the cotton bowl is crap. it not even going to be a game worth watching. A top 10 team should not be playing an unranked team in a bowl game.... It is crap.
 
dmr727 said:
Well, there was never a real national championship. You just had two polls - the Coaches Poll and the AP - that ranked teams. The Bowls selected teams based on their conference affiliation (for example, the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs played in the Rose), and it all kind of filtered down.

At the end of all the bowls, the team at the top of both polls was just generally deemed the national champion by the media and fans. But sometimes the polls didn't agree. In '97 the AP had Michigan on top, and the Coaches had Nebraska there. So the fans and media would argue until they were blue in the face, and everyone said we needed a system where teams like Nebraska and Michigan could play each other to crown a real champion.

So the BCS was created and comes up with a scheme where the #1 and #2 team at the end of the regular season would always play each other, and then the bowls would get to choose as usual from the rest. Well, all it did was shift the argument from one place to another. The classic example was 2003 - where both the AP and Coaches had USC at #1, but the AP doesn't figure into the BCS calculation, and somehow the computers spit out LSU and OU as #1 and #2. Therefore they played each other in the title. LSU squeaked by OU while USC blew out #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl. So the AP kept USC as #1, while the Coaches were contractually required to name LSU as #1. Obviously, lots of people were pissed.

So at the end of the day, we're still left with a system where different polls can call different teams #1 at the end of it all. There's still not real national title in college football, it's all just some hair brained scheme that keeps everyone arguing with each other. :)
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Thank you........
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I never said it was wrong for OU passing Texas Tech. what I complainted about was how far Texas Tech fell. Look at the computer vs humans.

Computer put tech at number 4 (and have since the lost) humans put them at 8. No other team has that huge of a spread. The only time they seem to is when the computers do not have a huge spread differences (normally 1-4) but it is not acceptable having that huge of a difference. Tech belongs in the top 5.
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They got blown out in their loss. It wasn't even close. There are flukes (USC/Oregon State, Florida/Ole Miss) and then there are good, old-fashioned butt-whoopings. You happened to have your loss be that kind of one.

Why is no one mentioning USC? I know I'm biased, but please hear me out.

We lost one (1) away game against a team that turned out to be pretty good (they were a lot better than people had pegged them when they played us early in the season). Most importantly, however, we have the best defense in the country. OU? They have a great offense, but their defense couldn't stop my 5 year old cousin and I rushing up the middle. No one in the Big 12 can stop the other, it's why you see such huge scores. Let a high powered offense play USC. Defense wins championships, and if it doesn't we at least see if those offenses are that high powered or if they are just playing against terrible defense.

Let our defense play Florida. Let our defense play OU. Let us play Texas. Give us someone whose offense seems unstoppable and give us a chance to stop them. Our offense the past couple weeks has really been kicking into gear so I really believe we are a hugely dangerous team to anyone in the nation right now.
 
Badandy said:
They got blown out in their loss. It wasn't even close. There are flukes (USC/Oregon State, Florida/Ole Miss) and then there are good, old-fashioned butt-whoopings. You happened to have your loss be that kind of one.

Why is no one mentioning USC? I know I'm biased, but please hear me out.

We lost one (1) away game against a team that turned out to be pretty good (they were a lot better than people had pegged them when they played us early in the season). Most importantly, however, we have the best defense in the country. OU? They have a great offense, but their defense couldn't stop my 5 year old cousin and I rushing up the middle. No one in the Big 12 can stop the other, it's why you see such huge scores. Let a high powered offense play USC. Defense wins championships, and if it doesn't we at least see if those offenses are that high powered or if they are just playing against terrible defense.

Let our defense play Florida. Let our defense play OU. Let us play Texas. Give us someone whose offense seems unstoppable and give us a chance to stop them. Our offense the past couple weeks has really been kicking into gear so I really believe we are a hugely dangerous team to anyone in the nation right now.
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Ironically, you would have had a better game if Oregon State had won and gone to the Rose Bowl. Instead, you get Penn State, another Big 10 loser.

But as far as the NC... only chance you have is if Missouri knocks off Oklahoma... and even then... Texas probably gets the nod ;)

Them's the breaks

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evilgEEk said:
The only thing that will ever put all this to rest is if everything is settled on the field, and an 8-team playoff won't do that either because we'd still be using the BCS poll to determine those eight teams. So arguments will still ensue.
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However, said ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd is wont to say: say it out loud--does it sound like a good idea that a BCS #9 ranked team has a realistic chance of winning the it all? Think about it: even this year, Boise State at #9--good as the team is--is still no match for Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma or Texas, I'm sorry to say.

My earlier suggestion of the eight-team playoff based on the final regular season BCS rankings for #1 to #8 teams makes the most sense.
 
Badandy said:
They got blown out in their loss. It wasn't even close. There are flukes (USC/Oregon State, Florida/Ole Miss) and then there are good, old-fashioned butt-whoopings. You happened to have your loss be that kind of one.

Why is no one mentioning USC? I know I'm biased, but please hear me out.

We lost one (1) away game against a team that turned out to be pretty good (they were a lot better than people had pegged them when they played us early in the season). Most importantly, however, we have the best defense in the country. OU? They have a great offense, but their defense couldn't stop my 5 year old cousin and I rushing up the middle. No one in the Big 12 can stop the other, it's why you see such huge scores. Let a high powered offense play USC. Defense wins championships, and if it doesn't we at least see if those offenses are that high powered or if they are just playing against terrible defense.

Let our defense play Florida. Let our defense play OU. Let us play Texas. Give us someone whose offense seems unstoppable and give us a chance to stop them. Our offense the past couple weeks has really been kicking into gear so I really believe we are a hugely dangerous team to anyone in the nation right now.
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You never seen what high power offenses does. year and year out Texas Tech has had either the number 1 offense or near number 1 offense.

You can look back over history and see what a high power Texas Tech offense has done to great schools. TCU texas Tech put 70 points on the board after being down 21-0 with 8 mins to go in the 1/2. Or look at Texas Tech record setting come back from behind wins in bowl games.

The big 12 Offenses are high power no doute about it.

on Texas Tech vs Texas the announcers even said level Texas Tech with 1 mind 30 sec on the board is like leaving most schools with 5. They can and will move the ball down the field. I have seen them do that multiple times and taking a game.
 
SactoGuy18 said:
However, said ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd is wont to say: say it out loud--does it sound like a good idea that a BCS #9 ranked team has a realistic chance of winning the it all? Think about it: even this year, Boise State at #9--good as the team is--is still no match for Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma or Texas, I'm sorry to say.

My earlier suggestion of the eight-team playoff based on the final regular season BCS rankings for #1 to #8 teams makes the most sense.
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If Boise State is no match, why not let them play? Oh yeah, because they might win and you would be embarrassed.

P-Worm
 
SactoGuy18 said:
However, said ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd is wont to say: say it out loud--does it sound like a good idea that a BCS #9 ranked team has a realistic chance of winning the it all? Think about it: even this year, Boise State at #9--good as the team is--is still no match for Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma or Texas, I'm sorry to say.
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I hate to bring it up, because it always sounds like I'm leaning on past accomplishments, but I feel I have no choice here.

No one gave Boise State a chance in the '07 Fiesta Bowl either.

And you can say "Oh, trick play this", or "trick play, that" about that game, but the fact remains Boise controlled three out of the four quarters. Our defense even admitted that they started letting up and got excited about the win. That was a mistake that nearly cost them the game.

It's impossible to say for certain that Boise State is "no match" for any of those teams. Not to say we would win them all, but I think you would be surprised to see what this "little" team can do.

Of course this is all moot because we will never know what this year's team can do. We'll all just get to see Ohio State lose another BCS Bowl Game and wonder what should have been.
 
evilgEEk said:
I hate to bring it up, because it always sounds like I'm leaning on past accomplishments, but I feel I have no choice here.

No one gave Boise State a chance in the '07 Fiesta Bowl either.
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Surprisingly, a number of pundits said Boise State did have a chance because 1) their offense was so unusual by college football standards and 2) Oklahoma was actually a bit disinterested in actually playing that game. As such, the result was that Oklahoma played really flat most of that game.

But this season, Boise State would have no chance against the top four teams I mentioned in an earlier message.
 
It's killing me that Ohio State is likely in ahead of Boise State. Admittedly Ohio State had a much tougher schedule than Boise State, and they did lose early on to a #1 (overrated but still technically #1) and a good Penn State team. But Boise State went undefeated, and are ranked ahead of Ohio State.

It's also killing me that most have projected Ohio State to get the invite to the Fiesta Bowl instead of Utah. Granted, I think that the Sugar Bowl probably gives us a better shot at a win this year. But I liked the idea of taking a trip to Tempe to watch the game live. Hopefully the projectors are wrong and Utah gets the Fiesta Bowl. Who knows, the Big 12 seems to be all offense and no defense, maybe Utah would have a shot at winning that game. I don't think any Big 12 team has seen a defense like Utah's all year long. It would be interesting.

I think that Boise State should get the nod ahead of Ohio State, and go to the sugar bowl this year.

SLC
 
P-Worm said:
This post is aimed squarely at evilGeek, but I want to hear SLC Flyfishing and dukebound85 give their input as well.

I read an article about the idea of bringing Boise State into the Mountain West Conference. The article said that a good qualifier game in order to do so would be a bowl match up between Boise State and TCU (and let me tell you, if that game happened I would tune in for sure. That sounds like an excellent game to me).

The question I have is what does every one think about having BSU in the MWC in the future? I think it is an awesome idea. I would love for my running Utes to go up against the Broncos on a regular basis.

But evilGeek, what do you think? Would you like to leave the WAC in favor of the MWC or are you happy where you are?

P-Worm
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I'm in favor of bringing Boise State into our conference, I think that's a win win situation for everyone involved. Boise would add another strong team for my team to play each year, and it would certainly help Boise State's SOS to play better conference games. Obviously the main thing that kept Boise State down this year was their conference. They'd go from being into a conference full of pushovers to playing at least 3 quality in-conference opponents each year with the likely hood of 4 or 5 (depending on how Air Force and New Mexico turn out from year to year). That would help them, and it would help Utah and the rest of the MWC. If we could do that (and maybe bring on another of the better WAC teams along with them) we could probably get an automatic BCS bid.

Let's face it, the MWC has been churning out some great teams for years now without the help of the cash cow that is the BCS. Imagine what we could do with a guaranteed BCS payout coming into our conference each season. We'd be a force to be reckoned with each and every year. Up there with the SEC and the Big 12.

SLC
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
Let's face it, the MWC has been churning out some great teams for years now without the help of the cash cow that is the BCS.
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This is a point that I try to bring up as often as possible.

Every year when there's a quality non-BCS team at the top end of the polls everyone automatically writes them off as another small school with weak SOS.

Now, I agree the SOS is nowhere near the best, but keep in mind that these teams have been doing this without the help of the BCS payout year in and year out.

It's called great coaching and taking nothing for granted.

Obviously we'll never know, but I would love to see what these "powerhouse" teams could do without all the money being thrown at them.
 
Tommy Tubberville out at Auburn. This will be a dream job for many of the coaches in the market. It will be very interesting to see who they go after.
 
RamblinWreck said:
Tommy Tubberville out at Auburn. This will be a dream job for many of the coaches in the market. It will be very interesting to see who they go after.
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Tennessee and Clemson didn't fare too well in my opinion with their "dream jobs"
In fact, I wonder if they wish they had waited and gotten Tubberville

I think he would have done well at Clemson... prob not Tennessee

Auburn has contacted Mike Leach at TT
They have even had feelers to Bobby Petrino :rolleyes:

On local radio here... Jim Donnan said they should head for your guy, Paul Johnson :)

Edit: Roll Tide! I hate the Gators!

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Rodimus Prime said:
You never seen what high power offenses does.
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You're right, I've never seen that. That offense with Matt Leinart, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, and Lendale White was just mediocre.

The big 12 Offenses are high power no doute about it.
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I know they're high powered, but they aren't as high powered against good defenses. Look, the Big 12 has trash defense this year. It's terrible. I'm not saying your offenses aren't really good (they are), but you wouldn't put up 40 or 50 on a real defense like USC's or Florida...
 
Well, the SEC Championship is getting close now
I've heard a few commentators break with the pack and pick 'Bama

ROLL TIDE!!!

I hate the Gators™

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ball st. lost the mac championship game last night to buffalo, ending their perfect season. they will be going to the motor city bowl now.

but anyway, i have been debating with someone arguing which conference should be the next to get a bcs standing: the mwc or the mac? he says the mac should get in because they have been beating more big 10 no shows for years, have alot of nfl players from mac schools and that the mwc hasn't done much. i argue that the mwc has been very dominant for years, brought good nfl quality to the table, and unlike the mac, made up of second tier midwest schools, the mwc is first tier mountain region schools.
 
Still in the first quarter, but if UCLA keeps this energy level up then USC might be in trouble.

Florida ties it at 10 with a field goal. This is a good game. :)

furcalchick said:
i have been debating with someone arguing which conference should be the next to get a bcs standing: the mwc or the mac?
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No other conference is strong enough to get another automatic qualifying bid. I think the only chance for the MWC to get one is if Boise State and two other teams joined the MWC and then had a Championship Game.

But that's not going to happen, so the argument is moot.


EDIT:

Florida is one yard away from sealing the game...

Game Over. It was a good game.
 
Great game between Alabama and Florida. I would have liked 'Bama to win, but it was still fun to watch.
 
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